'Have a Blessed Day' versus 'Hope You Get Lucky Tonight'

[devshift]

If there good intentions blatantl;y ignore what I value, the kindness is diminished..

That's completely your fault because you choose to be offended. You can't complain about something you choose.

That's like saying I get offended when people use vowels. I can get pissed constantly because my values are being offended or I could just not give a **** what people do and continue about my life because I have important things to do and being offended is a waste of time and energy.

 

[sojourner]

You can continue with this onesided analysis as often as you want. Recently, a bank teller claimed that she was fired for saying have a blessed day. People serving the public might do well to use neutral expressions when dealing with unknown persons and by all means use religious ones with customers who share their faith.

Yah, OK. Such speech smacks of being a little "pushy," but so frickin' what?! I bet that people who fly stoopid little flags of their favorite football team (that happens to be your favorite team's nemesis) on their minivans ruins your entire week. If you're so completely undone by such a harmless statement because it's hurtful to the sensibilities of your past, perhaps you need to revisit that past with a qualified therapist? And I'm not being snarky. If you're that sensitive, it might be a red flag for you, and exploring it might make your life better.

 

[Uberpod]

Yah, OK. Such speech smacks of being a little "pushy," but so frickin' what?! I bet that people who fly stoopid little flags of their favorite football team (that happens to be your favorite team's nemesis) on their minivans ruins your entire week.

The fact that adults value sports at all is majorly offensive to me.

If you're so completely undone by such a harmless statement because it's hurtful to the sensibilities of your past, perhaps you need to revisit that past with a qualified therapist? And I'm not being snarky. If you're that sensitive, it might be a red flag for you, and exploring it might make your life better.

Yeah - I am not undone. Just making a rhetorical point here. Thanks so much for the referral, but that is actually my chosen field - so I know it's all mallarky.

 

[sojourner]

It would be nice if I could just be grateful. It would be nice if people could express good wishes in an all inclusive fashion.

As odd as it sounds, bless you after a sneeze is not the same thing. In the South those who say HABD, are usually Evangelicals who believe quite rigidly that they are Saved and all others are not, etc Their purported well wish is infused with self-righteousness. The very fact that most people are unwilling to view my self-righteous alternative as being quite parallel means there is a bias here well worth exploring.

I live in the Bible Belt, and I get tired of that self-righteous crap too. I usually just mutter "yeah, yeah, yeah" under my breath and roll my eyes. I suspect your proposed response is a hyperbolic attempt at going for the "shocked reaction from the fundie." it's mildly funny, but it could also be seen as sexual harassment.

 

[Sapiens]

Making a public display of your religion is, at best, impolite and gauche, that's one of the things I dislike about many evangelicals.

 

[Sapiens]

I guess you've never cheered at a ball game. If you have, how rude and ostentatious of you to do that! You should be dragged out and flogged with a cold fish!

If you think that dinner, an appointment with a physician, a day at the beach and a ball game call for the same behaviors you must come across as rather boorish.

 

[sojourner]

If you think that dinner, an appointment with a physician, a day at the beach and a ball game call for the same behaviors you must come across as rather boorish.

They were both outside in a non-professional, non-intimate atmosphere. Let her yell to her embarrassing delight.

 

[sojourner]

Making a public display of your religion is, at best, impolite and gauche, that's one of the things I dislike about many evangelicals.

"gauche" and "impolite" are... well... gauche and impolite -- but neither illegal nor, especially, a public nuisance. I don't like to see it, either, but I think it's more gauche and impolite to publicly call them out on it.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

If there good intentions blatantly ignore what I value, the kindness is diminished.

That's completely your fault because you choose to be offended. You can't complain about something you choose.

Excellent.

 

[Sapiens]

"gauche" and "impolite" are... well... gauche and impolite -- but neither illegal nor, especially, a public nuisance. I don't like to see it, either, but I think it's more gauche and impolite to publicly call them out on it.

I agree with you in general, but the problem is that that reaction is exactly what they are counting on. How do you think she would have reacted if someone standing on the beach next to her had started yelling, say, "Satan Rules!" (which I'd have found equally objectionable). There are lots of things that are neither illegal or a public nuisance that one should not do (at least in public) and that people who are raised by considerate and humane parents are taught not to do at a young age.

 

[ChristineES]

Making a public display of your religion is, at best, impolite and gauche, that's one of the things I dislike about many evangelicals.

It's impolite to you, not to me. Do you think George Harrison was rude to say "Hare Krishna" in between his songs during his concerts? Do you think it's impolite to someone to scream out, "Go, Chargers" (I live very near San Diego) outside when they are winning a game, even when it's outside and not everyone is a football fan? Do you think it's rude to have rallies and parades?
I see no reason why I should need to hide my faith and I see no reason why others need to hide it. I see no reason why a football fan needs to hide his/her excitement if his/her team won or is winning a game.

 

[Sapiens]

It's impolite to you, not to me. Do you think George Harrison was rude to say "Hare Krishna" in between his songs during his concerts? Do you think it's impolite to someone to scream out, "Go, Chargers" (I live very near San Diego) outside when they are winning a game, even when it's outside and not everyone is a football fan? Do you think it's rude to have rallies and parades?
I see no reason why I should need to hide my faith and I see no reason why others need to hide it. I see no reason why a football fan needs to hide his/her excitement if his/her team won or is winning a game.

I do not know much about Harrison, never was a fan, but yes, I'd find that rude as I also find rabid sports fans of any ilk, especially those who refer to "my team" or "our team" or just "we/us," I did not see them out on the field, hell, I did not see them at the game, all they did was watch TV and jam beer and pizza in their maw. Yes, I find most all of that rude. If you see no reason to keep your faith to yourself in public, how would you feel about people challenging you in public on the basis of your faith?

 

[ChristineES]

I do not know much about Harrison, never was a fan, but yes, I'd find that rude as I also find rabid sports fans of any ilk, especially those who refer to "my team" or "out team" or just "we/us," I did not see them out on the field, hell, I did not see them at the game, all the did was watch TV and jam beer and pizza in their maw. Yes, I find most all of that rude. If you see no reason to keep your faith to yourself in public, how would you feel about people challenging you in public on the basis of your faith?

Well, good. At least you're not a hypocrite about it.
I don't go around to everyone I meet and say "Hey, I'm a Christian!". If someone asks me, I will tell him or her. I am a shy person so I don't shout out things in public. I just don't hide the fact that I follow a faith, anymore than Mr. Harrison did during his concerts (Mr. Harrison did not shout it, he just said "Hare Krishna" in between songs during the Concert of Bangladesh.) No one has every challenged my faith in public.

 

[Sapiens]

Well, good. At least you're not a hypocrite about it.
I don't go around to everyone I meet and say "Hey, I'm a Christian!". If someone asks me, I will tell him or her. I am a shy person so I don't shout out things in public. I just don't hide the fact that I follow a faith, anymore than Mr. Harrison did during his concerts (Mr. Harrison did not shout it, he just said "Hare Krishna" in between songs during the Concert of Bangladesh.) No one has every challenged my faith in public.

If that was Harrison's way to psyche himself up and produce his best, fine. Believe it or not I also have no problem with students focusing themselves before an exam (I always gave my students 5 minutes to do what they would, meditate, pray quietly, whatever, before exams).

But you did not answer my question, so permit me, please to rephrase: Were one so loutish as to shout religious affiliations and such in public (and I know that you wouldn't) would it be wrong to call them on it at the same level? If people did that I think the objectionable behavior would be reduced. I hate to fight fire with fire, but might that not be the only way ... after all, the louts think that they have God on their side.

 

[Uberpod]

That's completely your fault because you choose to be offended. You can't complain about something you choose.

So, if I sent you a Christmas Card wrapped in a porn magazine, it would be your fault if you chose to be offended??

 

[ChristineES]

If that was Harrison's way to psyche himself up and produce his best, fine. Believe it or not I also have no problem with students focusing themselves before an exam (I always gave my students 5 minutes to do what they would, meditate, pray quietly, whatever, before exams).

But you did not answer my question, so permit me, please to rephrase: Were one so loutish as to shout religious affiliations and such in public (and I know that you wouldn't) would it be wrong to call them on it at the same level? If people did that I think the objectionable behavior would be reduced. I hate to fight fire with fire, but might that not be the only way ... after all, the louts think that they have God on their side.

Even Jesus said: He who lives by the sword dies by the sword. If you live by shouting out, it is a safe bet that that others will shout out back at you. If I scream out: I think that Zeus is the true God (I don't believe that, just using that as an example), I think he should expect others to scream out either "No, he is not" or "Yes, you're right!".

 

[Sapiens]

Tigger, not really. There appears to be a double standard here. The shouters seem to think it is their religious freedom right to inflict that sort of crap on others, but get all huffy if some one calls them to task for it.

 

[ChristineES]

Tigger, not really. There appears to be a double standard here. The shouters seem to think it is their religious freedom right to inflict that sort of crap on others, but get all huffy if some one calls them to task for it.

First, I am not Tigger. Tigger is my avatar because I adore the cartoon character.
Second: I don't see a lot of Religious people screaming out their faith where I live, unless they are in a Church or gathering.

 

[devshift]

I bet that people who fly stoopid little flags of their favorite football team (that happens to be your favorite team's nemesis) on their minivans ruins your entire week. If you're so completely undone by such a harmless statement because it's hurtful to the sensibilities of your past, perhaps you need to revisit that past with a qualified therapist? And I'm not being snarky. If you're that sensitive, it might be a red flag for you, and exploring it might make your life better.

Again, what? Did you read anything I said? I'm saying to NOT get offended because it's nothing, you apparently read the complete opposite. Also wow, what an incredibility stupid and baseless assumption off the end because you apparently couldn't understand what I was saying, really says a lot about you.

 

[ChristineES]

I just want to say that people who call out "Praise God" in public, who tell people to have a pleasant day, no matter what word they use (nice, good, blessed,etc) are not being rude. People who scream in your face, call you names for no apparent reason are being rude. There are exceptions, of course.