Have I been unfair to God?

[swanlake]

I think God was wanting the Serpent to do that , and God wanted eve to fall with Adam

Why would you think that God would want people to fall? Is it not written in 1 John 4:8 that God is Love ?
Also…
2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slow in keeping His promise as some understand slowness, but is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish but everyone to come to repentance.

 

[Ella S.]

Total lies and falsehoods!

The Bible doesn't say to only follow the Bible. The Bible says to listen to the Church.

Jesus created a Church, one Church, with a priesthood, deacons, Bishops, and the Bible says the bread and wine is the body and blood of Christ. Only one Church dates back to the time of Christ!

Do you believe Jesus was God?? The Bible makes it clear he was!

I'm sorry, but I genuinely can't tell which church you're talking about here. My two main guesses are either the Roman Catholic Church or the Eastern Orthodox Church?

 

[loverofhumanity]

I try to thank and praise God for everything good in my life! I jumped off a three story building, and I can still walk! I thank God every day for that grace to walk, because being confined to a wheel chair is hell!

Ten weeks in a wheel chair was more miserable than I thought it would be. Some have it for life. I woke up with tubes coming out of my throat and couldn't talk, couldn't pee with a full bladder until they surgically removed the scar tissue blocking the urethra, leading to urination of blood clots larger than marbles (total agony), fed through a tube going into my stomach for a while!

But still, all thanks and praise to God, I could have been in a wheelchair the rest of my life like my best friend in high school, who had an injury and became a quad, where he couldn't move anything below his neck!

I thank God every day I haven't been a victim of rape from a male (but lots of other types of abuse and repeated beatings and stabbings however).

I thank God I haven't been bombed or buried under rubble in an earthquake!

Praise God I have received many signs and coincidences that to me were obviously a sign from the other side , and more than coincidence!

But still, almost 35, never had a relationship with a female that was healthy, and the one that I loved more than all others combined , with many signs she was a person of Divine Providence, and still my true love, turned into a total nightmare worse than death. So, I will likely never have a happy marriage!

Every job has been a total disaster!

I live in the ghetto in total poverty and have a stalker who actually shows up at my place and has swung on me before and stolen from me. I invited him into my apartment once and he started masturbating, (so I don't allow homeless people into my apartment anymore unless they are female or have a girlfriend with them.)

I have also been violently mugged (it caused my arm to come out of socket one of the 5 times that happened).

But I live in total poverty by American standards, will likely never pay the fines to get my license back! Every job I have had was a miserable disaster! School is possible with the exception of mathematics, physics, and certain forms of science I guess, but with my criminal history and mental illness factors, not sure if I could be the history/religion/philosophy professor or mental health worker I'd like to be!

So, life simply has been a nightmare, and probably always will be. I can't make it a year without a mental institution or trip to jail it seems! And I pray every day for grace to do so, but stuff keeps happening, that all the effort in the world isn't working!

God simply doesn't show himself to be love! I am not seeing evidence of this at all! I believe God wants all this misery and drama!

Is being a Father who watches children get cancer, be born missing limbs, be born with HIV or raped by HIV positive people, or watching children tortured to death, trafficked to be raped by 20 people a day as someone makes money off it, and offer no help, what a loving Father would do??

Is leaving women so impoverished in so many countries they must resort to prostitution, something a loving Father would do?

Is leaving the world in agony, letting people be burned from head to toe in fiery car crashes, taken to burn units, their scabs scrubbed, and all that painful stuff done to burn victims, and remain silent, offer people so little comfort, the loving thing to do?

Is remaining silent, refusing to speak clear messages to people, leaving people blind and confused, like you aren't there, like you don't care about them, the loving thing to do?

Is letting your chosen people, six million of them be killed in very terrifying painful ways like the Holocaust, or any body die in genocide, the loving thing to do? Is letting so many children become orphaned , or letting so many parents lose their children, and not let them stay in touch from Heaven to earth, the loving thing to do?

I see a God who could ease the world's misery and suffering in countless ways and end confusion, but he insists that confusion and misery is better, because that is what he chooses and insists on! He could give us good just leaders and refuses!

But praise God! He has in many ways been more kind to me than the average person. I give thanks where I see it due! Maybe there is great reward for those whose lives were nothing but pain on earth?

Have I been unfair to God?

We are all unfair to God because we are ungrateful and disrespect Him even though He gave us the gift not only of life but of being a human. We could have been a tree or a rock but we have been given awareness, intelligence and spiritual powers yet I see people insulting and ridiculing God. We don’t deserve His gifts.

 

[Ella S.]

We are all unfair to God because we are ungrateful and disrespect Him even though He gave us the gift not only of life but of being a human. We could have been a tree or a rock but we have been given awareness, intelligence and spiritual powers yet I see people insulting and ridiculing God. We don’t deserve His gifts.

I never asked to be born.

 

[rational experiences]

If a human can just write words to argue life conditions without personal human body life threats know you aren't using any truth.

Consciousness is healthy highest spiritual non harmed human life only. First as first is first.

Who by the way as the arrogant ignorant theist the liar claimed honour space nothing. As highest terms. A theist. It is empty cold owns the presence of the highest god.

Humans first biology owner I can think says no I won't I honour our life exact to what it really is.

Theists storytellers coerce by life threatened human biology actually.

Even your space nothing speech was said because as a human you had already harmed life.

So humans ignore space nothing cold is pressure equated why God the earth existed present. Science has to own a human to be a topic by a human lies the scientist.

Human natural is one self first only human not a thesis about science.

As everything not nothing existed to own a human life. Why your arrogance says in mind you owned everything before you...not after you being reaction.

So you never allowed natural consciousness its living truth. Scientist title displaced mind from natural human truth.

Then you argued I must claim nothing owned cold earth God fused. Believe me.

We don't because you theoried.

Natural. No thesis. No corruption by other humans

One self. One self a human conscious reality. Advice told by a lot of other just one selves vying for group supremacy by bully tactics only.

One self however says I know one only human truth you other humans who don't lie.

When you pretend humans are paths.

DNA science liar.

You use it as I can cause it to you so comply. Or if you don't follow me I will do it to you.

You don't claim advised direct to your owned person in reality.

As my spiritual topic is about human lifes origins. As human presence only. First instant thought is instant human no thesis.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

I never asked to be born.

Neither did I. I also didn't ask to be physically, psychologically and sexually abused while I was growing up. However, I did ask God to save me from all the abuse I was suffering as a child and teenager, but apparently God couldn't be bothered with my trivial little problems, so he left me alone to suffer severe abuse, bullying and neglect for 13 1/2 years. So much for a loving and merciful God.

 

[rational experiences]

The Bible is a confusing book of babble that contradicts itself.

Jesus said "upon this rock I will build my Church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against her!"

One Church dates back to when he said that!

A human man. Life sacrificed saved by God earths saviour ice water said I will build a church for healing. Based on rock of earth by my laws organisation Roman ideals.

Taught about Jesus himself.

Church Roman. Teaching Jewish Christian temples were first. Science temples.

Said I am a hypocrite as I build this church to put by phi design resonations inside the stone rock cut building for holy water of life. To exist.

Outside I made demons arise out of gods strata.

Burning suns radiations burning in gods earths gases. Released out of earths body by science temple pyramid.

Yes he said the sun never owned planet earths spatial gas cooling body. I caused it.

 

[rational experiences]

Neither did I. I also didn't ask to be physically, psychologically and sexually abused while I was growing up. However, I did ask God to save me from all the abuse I was suffering as a child and teenager, but apparently God couldn't be bothered with my petty little problems, so he left me to suffer all this severe abuse, bullying and neglect for 13 1/2 years. So much for a loving and merciful God.

Father did advise his daughter about her lying theist science brother so he could realise who did it to him first.

 

[Spiderman]

Why would you think that God would want people to fall? Is it not written in 1 John 4:8 that God is Love ?
Also…
2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slow in keeping His promise as some understand slowness, but is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish but everyone to come to repentance.

Because God is cruel! Just because the Bible says something doesn't mean much. The Bible says "Thou shall not kill", but God breaks that rule in Scripture more than anyone!

God may have wanted humankind to fall, because he likes war, drama, finds it entertaining, and he wanted to become man, to become a hero, suffer for a noble cause, die a martyrs death, become a hero who lays down his life, that he wouldn't have been able to become, and save everyone from Hell, if we didn't fall!

If God didn't want people to fall, he would not have tempted them with that stupid tree, or created the snake, or let the snake enter the garden!

God might also prefer people suffer before getting to Heaven, because he finds people more loveable when they have suffered a lot!

If people fall, it can create more heroes and sacrifices and martyrs as well, and we all know God likes martyrs!

 

[Spiderman]

We are all unfair to God because we are ungrateful and disrespect Him even though He gave us the gift not only of life but of being a human. We could have been a tree or a rock but we have been given awareness, intelligence and spiritual powers yet I see people insulting and ridiculing God. We don’t deserve His gifts.

If life is a nightmare, that is NOT a gift! That is a sadistic cruel curse, not a blessing!

 

[Spiderman]

I'm sorry, but I genuinely can't tell which church you're talking about here. My two main guesses are either the Roman Catholic Church or the Eastern Orthodox Church?

The Roman Catholic Church is the only Christian Church to date back to the time of Christ!

The schism came many centuries after that!

 

[Spiderman]

No, I don't believe you have been unfair to God, Spiderman. You and I basically share the same sentiment towards God, but I don't ever thank him and praise him. I've already shared why I have such a deep disdain for the Christian God, so I won't go into further detail in your thread. All I will say is that I've liberated myself from Christianity, and I'm no longer bound to the absolute misery of it in my life anymore. Personally speaking, I think you should continue to express your feelings on this subject because it's good to hear from other people who share the same sentiment as I do. I wish you the very best in your life, Spiderman. Peace, my friend.

Thank you! It's always a pleasure!

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

Because God is cruel! Just because the Bible says something doesn't mean much. The Bible says "Thou shall not kill", but God breaks that rule in Scripture more than anyone!

God may have wanted humankind to fall, because he likes war, drama, finds it entertaining, and he wanted to become man, to become a hero, suffer for a noble cause, die a martyrs death, become a hero who lays down his life, that he wouldn't have been able to become, and save everyone from Hell, if we didn't fall!

If God didn't want people to fall, he would not have tempted them with that stupid tree, or created the snake, or let the snake enter the garden!

God might also prefer people suffer before getting to Heaven, because he finds people more loveable when they have suffered a lot!

If people fall, it can create more heroes and sacrifices and martyrs as well, and we all know God likes martyrs!

Yes, God mercilessly killed people with impunity, and no amount of excuses or attempts to rationalize his atrocious behavior will ever change the truth about God's true nature. According to the King James Bible, it's "Thou shalt not kill," but according to various other versions of the Bible, it's "You shall not murder." Either way you phrase it, God doesn't live up his own standards. He killed countless people with ferocious impunity, and we're supposed to believe that he's a loving and merciful God? I don't think so.

According to the Bible, God personally killed people, he committed global genocide, and he ordered the Israelites to totally destroy other nations, killing every man, woman, child, infant, and all their animals (Exodus 17:8–13; 1 Samuel 15:2; Deuteronomy 25:17).

It's written in the Book of Acts that God killed a man and his wife for lying to the Apostle Peter (Acts 5:5-10). The Book of Acts is in the New Testament, and it is amid the conflicting verses in the rest of the New Testament that speak of God's "love" for humanity. I don't know about you, but God personally killing people and ordering people to be killed doesn't sound like a loving God to me.

 

[rational experiences]

Tribal mother father baby children council parents. Grand parents. Great grand parents.

National DNA tribal leader family.

King queen country ruler tribal not wrong.... wrong today by being Rich only.

Lords of trade vie to oust king queen to be rulers themselves. Always had vied for the position the brothers invented.

Always was them. Brothers group. Lord.

Why over lord principles are taught and sacrifice by decree the law was human science brothers. Who by the way said as the Lord sacrificed man feel sorry for me.

He did it to himself said the Lord was both cruel and loving. I am criminal of changes to gods earth form spirits yet live a holy life because of them.

A man's owned science human confession. I the theist destroyer man theoried about nothing myself.

Self rich man lying science theist to destroyer man's self assessment. Lords. Lord of trade first then science.

Why gods terms science hurt my life.

Book written by the liar.

 

[Spiderman]

Tribal mother father baby children council parents. Grand parents. Great grand parents.

National DNA tribal leader family.

King queen country ruler tribal not wrong.... wrong today by being Rich only.

Lords of trade vie to oust king queen to be rulers themselves. Always had vied for the position the brothers invented.

Always was them. Brothers group. Lord.

Why over lord principles are taught and sacrifice by decree the law was human science brothers. Who by the way said as the Lord sacrificed man feel sorry for me.

He did it to himself said the Lord was both cruel and loving. I am criminal of changes to gods earth form spirits yet live a holy life because of them.

A man's owned science human confession. I the theist destroyer man theoried about nothing myself.

Self rich man lying science theist to destroyer man's self assessment. Lords. Lord of trade first then science.

Why gods terms science hurt my life.

Book written by the liar.

What country were you born in, if you don't mind my asking?

 

[Spiderman]

@Sgt. Pepper if you ever want to do a face to face zoom meeting online, pm me, but if that makes you feel uncomfortable, don't bother with considering it, or feeling pressure, but I do admire you, and hope and pray you find happiness forever, and even get to meet the Beatles on the other side!

I'm really sorry to hear about the abuse you went through!

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

@Sgt. Pepper if you ever want to do a face to face zoom meeting online, pm me, but if that makes you feel uncomfortable, don't bother with considering it, or feeling pressure, but I do admire you, and hope and pray you find happiness forever, and even get to meet the Beatles on the other side!

I'm really sorry to hear about the abuse you went through!

Thank you for your thoughtful and compassionate offer, my friend. You are very kind. I would absolutely love to meet The Beatles sometime in the afterlife. I'd love to meet Ringo and Paul on this side of eternity, but my chances aren't good. I am going to go see Ringo in concert in about four months, but I won't have the opportunity to meet him. He's not greeting fans any more because of Covid. Honestly, I'm relieved that he and Paul are taking precautions that will help protect them from contracting the virus. Ringo is 81, and Paul is 79. I want them to stay alive as long as it's possible. The Beatles will always hold a special place in my heart. I would listen to their music when I was a teenager, and it provided a comforting refuge for me in the midst of the living hell I was trapped in while growing up. It may sound odd, but I'm emotionally attached to The Beatles because they were always there for me.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

Thank you for your thoughtful and compassionate offer, my friend. You are very kind. I would absolutely love to meet The Beatles sometime in the afterlife. I'd love to meet Ringo and Paul on this side of eternity, but my chances aren't good. I am going to go see Ringo in concert in about four months, but I won't have the opportunity to meet him. He's not greeting fans any more because of Covid. Honestly, I'm relieved that he and Paul are taking precautions that will help protect them from contracting the virus. Ringo is 81, and Paul is 79. I want them to stay alive as long as it's possible. The Beatles will always hold a special place in my heart. I would listen to their music when I was a teenager, and it provided a comforting refuge for me in the midst of the living hell I was trapped in while growing up. It may sound odd, but I'm emotionally attached to The Beatles because they were always there for me.

I was too young to remember John's death in December 1980. I was only 7 years old at the time, and I didn't know who The Beatles were then. But I cried for weeks on end when George passed away in November 2001. I was emotionally devastated, and I felt like I had lost a close family member. Honestly, I dread the day when I'm told of Paul and Ringo's death. I don't want to think about it.

 

[Spiderman]

Thank you for your thoughtful and compassionate offer, my friend. You are very kind. I would absolutely love to meet The Beatles sometime in the afterlife. I'd love to meet Ringo and Paul on this side of eternity, but my chances aren't good. I am going to go see Ringo in concert in about four months, but I won't have the opportunity to meet him. He's not greeting fans any more because of Covid. Honestly, I'm relieved that he and Paul are taking precautions that will help protect them from contracting the virus. Ringo is 81, and Paul is 79. I want them to stay alive as long as it's possible. The Beatles will always hold a special place in my heart. I would listen to their music while I was a teenager, and it provided a comforting refuge for me in the midst of the living hell I was trapped in while growing up. It may sound odd, but I'm emotionally attached to The Beatles because they were always there for me.

That is so beautiful they had such a powerful impact on you. Maybe you have a soul bind. Who knows, maybe John and George are looking out for you from the other side!?

The dead love those who love them, is my experience and convictions, and they try to help their own in what ways they can (despite their hands being a bit tied with what they can do. They are not omnipotent).

Do you have pictures of them? I keep shrines to people I love who passed. I personally write letters to people I admire who left their bodies behind, and I bless them.

I have referred to John and George of the Beatles as "Saint John , Saint George", yet they probably object to those titles, but still have a sense of humor.

I like "strawberry fields, Lucy and the sky with diamonds, penny lane, walrus or eggman or whatever the title is, Helter skelter, imagine, nothing's gonna change my world (I'm not sure if that is the name of that song though) , and magical mystery tour".

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

That is so beautiful they had such a powerful impact on you. Maybe you have a soul bind. Who knows, maybe John and George are looking out for you from the other side!?

The dead love those who love them, is my experience and convictions, and they try to help their own in what ways they can (despite their hands being a bit tied with what they can do. They are not omnipotent).

Do you have pictures of them? I keep shrines to people I love who passed. I personally write letters to people I admire who left their bodies behind, and I bless them.

I have referred to John and George of the Beatles as "Saint John , Saint George", yet they probably object to those titles, but still have a sense of humor.

I like "strawberry fields, Lucy and the sky with diamonds, penny lane, walrus or eggman or whatever the title is, Helter skelter, imagine, nothing's gonna change my world (I'm not sure if that is the name of that song though) , and magical mystery tour".

I save the pictures that I like of The Beatles on my laptop, but I don't have a shrine for John or George, and I haven't written any personal letters to them. I follow Ringo and Paul on Facebook, but that's it. I admire them from afar, and I'm okay with that.

And you're thinking of I am the Walrus and Across the Universe. Imagine was written and recorded by John (co-written by Yoko) in 1971, after The Beatles had disbanded. Imagine was the best-selling single of John's solo career, but it's not a Beatles' song.