Have people forgotten about 9/11?

[UnityNow101]

now you will have to forgive me if i wish to bomb the hell out of these kind of murdering scum that hide behind the Quran and the label freedom fighter.

You are forgiven. I understand that you are just a product of the society in which you live and are unable to break free from it and see the insanity of all of this killing. I don't know if you have not heard, but we go around labelling ourselves as "freedom" fighters, willing to stop at nothing to bring democracy around the world. They, on the other hand, are labelled "freedom" fighters, willing to stop at nothing to get the "freedom" fighters of the US off of their land. Bombing or chopping the heads of the enemy off is not really a difference in my opinion. It just shows the different ways in which people are willing to kill the enemy. I am sure that if these "freedom" fighters of the Middle East had the military capacity that we in the US do, they would not resort to such a primitive way of killing us. It is just more efficient and causes more damage for us to blow things up....

 

[kai]

You are forgiven. I understand that you are just a product of the society in which you live and are unable to break free from it and see the insanity of all of this killing. I don't know if you have not heard, but we go around labelling ourselves as "freedom" fighters, willing to stop at nothing to bring democracy around the world. They, on the other hand, are labelled "freedom" fighters, willing to stop at nothing to get the "freedom" fighters of the US off of their land. Bombing or chopping the heads of the enemy off is not really a difference in my opinion. It just shows the different ways in which people are willing to kill the enemy. I am sure that if these "freedom" fighters of the Middle East had the military capacity that we in the US do, they would not resort to such a primitive way of killing us. It is just more efficient and causes more damage for us to blow things up....

thank you for your forgiveness , i suggest in all good faith that you invest in some education into these kind of groups who kill far more of their own people than they do of ours , the nearest i have come to them in my time is the "Shankhill butchers" in northern ireland . do a little research and then you may have a different view from your ivory tower its a savage garden we live in

 

[UnityNow101]

It is a savage garden indeed. I am not denying that. But we ALL create the society in which we live, whether it be the Muslim terrorist that blows himself up in a crowded market, or the American fighter-jet pilot that drops a bomb into a busy street in Baghdad. You are seemingly seeing the problem as "us against them" instead of looking at the situation as a whole. Is there any chance that violence and killing are going to dispell the current problems? As long as we sugar-coat our ability and passion to kill others while criticizing and condemning somebody else for doing it, we are never going to help the situation. Together, we create all of this. And it is only when we come together and stop all of this nonsensical killing that we can begin to change it. But first, we must look at the situation as it is without justifying and condemning.

 

[kai]

It is a savage garden indeed. I am not denying that. But we ALL create the society in which we live, whether it be the Muslim terrorist that blows himself up in a crowded market, or the American fighter-jet pilot that drops a bomb into a busy street in Baghdad. You are seemingly seeing the problem as "us against them" instead of looking at the situation as a whole. Is there any chance that violence and killing are going to dispell the current problems? As long as we sugar-coat our ability and passion to kill others while criticizing and condemning somebody else for doing it, we are never going to help the situation. Together, we create all of this. And it is only when we come together and stop all of this nonsensical killing that we can begin to change it. But first, we must look at the situation as it is without justifying and condemning.

very elequent i doubt you have ever been in an us against them situation , but sugar coat the world all you like, dont justify or condem what you like , i live in the garden.

 

[Joe_Stocks]

Hi PureX,

The answer is that OUR killing is justified by OUR rules and their killing isn't (even though their killing IS justified by THEIR rules). You are trying to point out that each side justifies their killing the same as the other, but you may as well save your breath, because there are few who are willing to recognize the lunacy of such self-justification.

Why is this even an issue? I assumed that most people knew that people seek to justify their actions, I made that mistake.

I am trying to take this a step further and go deeper into the issue. I want to look at, in detail, the justifications. We can analyze and merits and demerits of each side and hopefully come to a tentative conclusion.

Simply stating that people justify their actions is really a meaningless point. We all knew that already.

 

[Joe_Stocks]

Hi Unity,

They are doing the same. I see no difference between the two.

Really, let's take a look at two examples:

1. Islamofascists murder children as they go to school.

2. Americans and Iraqi forces kill those that murder children as they go to school.

You see know difference between (1) and (2)? I certainly do.

 

[Joe_Stocks]

Hi lilithu,

But bombing them is ok? We have the power to bomb, so we bomb. They don't have the power to bomb, so they kidnap people and cut off their heads. Just because ours requires more organization and gadgets doesn't make it more civilized. I don't believe anyone should be cutting off heads or bombing countries that didn't attack us. regardless of sides.

It is just as I was telling Unity. Islamofascists murder innocent people and we try to stop the Islamofascists that murder innocent people. Thus, there is a difference.

 

[UnityNow101]

We kill the right people, therefore we should not feel bad about it at all.
Try telling that to all of the innocent Iraqi's, many of whom were children, that were killed by US manufactured bombs. You will say that we don't specifically target the children, which may very well be true. But tell that to the parents of those children that were killed by American weaponry....Their children are still dead, no matter who was doing the killing.

 

[Joe_Stocks]

Hi Unity,

Did you answer the question? I'll ask it again:

Really, let's take a look at two examples:

1. Islamofascists murder children as they go to school.

2. Americans and Iraqi forces kill those that murder children as they go to school.

You see know difference between (1) and (2)? I certainly do.

 

[UnityNow101]

No. As I have said, I see no difference between them. Killing is killing. I believe that I have stated this many times throughout this thread...

 

[Joe_Stocks]

Then you have a warped view of reality where the rapists and the people committed to stopping rapes are moral equivalents. And the list can go on and on. I kinda a feel sorry for you that you can't make such a simple distinction.

 

[Scuba Pete]

Hi Unity,

Did you answer the question? I'll ask it again:

Really, let's take a look at two examples:

1. Islamofascists murder children as they go to school.

So have American forces. Are you calling our brave men and women Islamofascists? Have you no decency?

 

[UnityNow101]

The warped view of reality would be believing that one form of killing is more justified than another....It is not until we discontinue this whole way of thinking that anything can ever change in the world. There is always going to be somebody that feels justified in killing, whether that be you or them. And to kill them does an injustice to the whole of humanity. You believe that you are fighting against error, as do they. They kill, as do you. The difference is only superficial.

 

[Joe_Stocks]

Hi Scuba,

So have American forces. Are you calling our brave men and women Islamofascists? Have you no decency?

LOL! Good one. Of course it all comes down to intent. Unless you are seriously arguing that we are targeting civilians. If you are, you need to prove that.

 

[Joe_Stocks]

Hi Unity,

The warped view of reality would be believing that one form of killing is more justified than another....

You must think your local police force is evil then, correct? They protect you and sometimes that involves killing people that are attempting to do harm to others.

Is it your contention that your local police force and the criminals inand around your area are equally evil or wrong?

 

[UnityNow101]

Yes, if it involves killing each other.

 

[Joe_Stocks]

Hi Unity,

Good to know where you stand.

Yet you enjoy the protection they provide you, interesting.

 

[Reverend Rick]

I guess when someone kicks down your door and wants to take everything you have and rape your wife and daughter we should give them a hug and tell them we love them.

 

[Joe_Stocks]

Hi Rick,

That is a terrific question for Unity, what would he do in that situation?

 

[UnityNow101]

I guess when someone kicks down your door and wants to take everything you have and rape your wife and daughter we should give them a hug and tell them we love them.

Certainly when you live your life in fear of what is around the corner or what may come your way, you will never be able to see the beauty of peace and nonviolence, because you are still fighting against your own emotions. When you live your life centered around what may or may-not happen, are you not living your life unaware of what is? Are you not then blinded by your fear and "what-if" mentality? Your mind is in constant confusion and chaos and thus projects outwards as violence.