Have the Canadians gone completely insane? Gun paranoia in full force.

[Vinayaka]

As a teacher, I would have been a bit startled. What happened to walking the dog, flowers, and just being with family? I think it is right to error on the side of caution. What happens if the Dad is a nutcase, and does go on some crazy shooting rampage, and then later it comes out that his kid was bringing pictures of him carrying guns and shooting people? Then how do I look? Or how do the police look if they just ignore the whole thing?

A more sensitive approach may have been to do a house call, and feel things out. I'm not sure if it was a handgun or a rifle. That would make a difference to me. I'm quite sure I may have drawn my Dad with a gun, as he was a hunter, but that was in a rural area and 50 years a go.

Kid's pictures are generally pretty decent indicators. I do remember confiscating pornographic drawings from an 11 year old. The principal photocopied them and sent them home. Turns out the Dad enjoyed porn with his kids, if I can believe what other students told me.

But that one was kind of funny as the principal accidentally left the original on the photocopier. A female colleague found it, and kind of posed the question, "Who's teaching this?"

 

[Wannabe Yogi]

I think gun violence in America is exaggerated. Yes, it's horrific in certain places, like impoverished ghettos in large cities, and most gun related crimes involve gangs and drug dealing. but to say that it represents the whole country regardless of location is inaccurate. There are small towns where practically every household owns a firearm, yet violent crime is unheard of.

I agree. Most people are murdered by people they know. Still America has a high rate of Gun Violence, but the rates are dropping and Americans are way to fearful. Unless of coarse you are black or Native American then you do have something to worry about.

 

[Wannabe Yogi]

A more sensitive approach may have been to do a house call, and feel things out.

Yes, two years ago my son did a report on the kids book Al Capone does my laundry. His book report was full of guns. The teacher gave me a call we sat down all was ok. I was glad she called and we had a chance to talk.

 

[Revoltingest]

Most people are murdered by people they know. Still America has a high rate of Gun Violence, but the rates are dropping and Americans are way to fearful. Unless of coarse you are black or Native American then you do have something to worry about.

That is too blunt & sweeping a breakdown. Many of the 'disadvantaged' peoples you mention are relatively safe.
And many white folk live in danger. Tis about where one lives & with whom one runs. Bad neighborhoods are a better predictor IMO.

 

[Kathryn]

Ok guys and gals,

As far as I can tell this is an Isolated incident. One case not an overall indictment of Canada in general.

You know what's ironic? I said the same thing "It's an isolated incident and that's why it made the news," regarding THIS thread:

http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...texas-potted-plant-purloiners-legitimate.html

But all I got was about twenty pages of grief about Texans and their guns from all my gun-fearing RF friends and acquaintances.

If it doesn't fly there, it doesn't fly here.

Thing is - I think it's a legitimate point on both threads. Can the anti-gun crowd be as consistent? Let's see.

 

[Wannabe Yogi]

That is too blunt & sweeping a breakdown. Many of the 'disadvantaged' peoples you mention are relatively safe.
And many white folk live in danger. Tis about where one lives & with whom one runs. Bad neighborhoods are a better predictor IMO.

Native Americans are 2xs more likely to be murdered and they are the most likely candidates to be killed by somebody who is not of their race. The life expectancy is much lower and 1/3 Native woman are raped during their life time. Things are very bad for the Native Peoples in America.

 

[Kathryn]

Native Americans are 2xs more likely to be murdered and they are the most likely candidates to be killed by somebody who is not of their race. The life expectancy is much lower and 1/3 Native woman are raped during their life time. Things are very bad for the Native Peoples in America.

Just as African Americans, Native Americans have the greatest chance of being the victim of crime by another person of their own "race." (And I use that term reluctantly, but you get my point.)

Actually - I wonder if "white" people also are generally victims of violent crime by other white people? That would be harder to use as evidence of anything though since "white" people are the majority in the US - it would stand to reason then if this is the case. I don't know - never looked it up. Somebody else do it - I'm cooking.

 

[Revoltingest]

Native Americans are 2xs more likely to be murdered and they are the most likely candidates to be killed by somebody who is not of their race. The life expectancy is much lower and 1/3 Native woman are raped during their life time. Things are very bad for the Native Peoples in America.

But for the Indians I know, who live in a safer area, they don't seem to suffer any worse than us mongrels.
Where they're sequestered (reservations) in drug & alcohol troubled places, yes, they fare poorly.
This is why I don't trust the use of statistics....they often suggest something misleading.
If most accidents happen within 25 miles of home, should I become homeless to be safe?
I hope not. I really like Revoltistan. We have fantastic grounds here!

 

[Father Heathen]

During the 80's kids grew up watching and playing with 'G.I. Joe'. Would the outside world have found that alarming?

 

[Revoltingest]

During the 80's kids grew up watching and playing with 'G.I. Joe'. Would the outside world have found that alarming?

Future generations might view this as disgusting violence porn. "Vioporn"?

It reminds me of an STTNG episode wherein a telepathic society prosecuted people for merely experiencing thoughts of violence.
For them, this would make sense. For us....NOT!

 

[Wannabe Yogi]

But for the Indians I know, who live in a safer area, they don't seem to suffer any worse than us mongrels.
Where they're sequestered (reservations) in drug & alcohol troubled places, yes, they fare poorly.
This is why I don't trust the use of statistics....they often suggest something misleading.

Part of the problem is not just the drugs and alcohol on the reservations but outsiders coming on to reservations and engaging in criminal behavior. It seems very hard to prosecute these lowlifes due to over laps in jurisdiction.

I really like Revoltistan. We have fantastic grounds here!

I will come and check it out...as long as it's over 25 miles from my home, just to be safe.:run:

 

[Wannabe Yogi]

You know what's ironic? I said the same thing "It's an isolated incident and that's why it made the news," regarding THIS thread:

http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...texas-potted-plant-purloiners-legitimate.html

But all I got was about twenty pages of grief about Texans and their guns from all my gun-fearing RF friends and acquaintances.

If it doesn't fly there, it doesn't fly here.

Thing is - I think it's a legitimate point on both threads. Can the anti-gun crowd be as consistent? Let's see.

Lucky for me I did not respond to that thread.... At least not Yet !

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Does anyone have any more info on this bizarre case?

Your thoughts?

One thought: it made the news because it is bizarre. IOW, it's decidedly atypical, so I don't think it's a reasonable basis to use to draw general conclusions about Canadian attitudes toward guns.

 

[Revoltingest]

One thought: it made the news because it is bizarre. IOW, it's decidedly atypical, so I don't think it's a reasonable basis to use to draw general conclusions about Canadian attitudes toward guns.

But it's more fun.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

You know what's ironic? I said the same thing "It's an isolated incident and that's why it made the news," regarding THIS thread:

http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...texas-potted-plant-purloiners-legitimate.html

But all I got was about twenty pages of grief about Texans and their guns from all my gun-fearing RF friends and acquaintances.

If it doesn't fly there, it doesn't fly here.

Thing is - I think it's a legitimate point on both threads. Can the anti-gun crowd be as consistent? Let's see.

That's a bit of a misrepesentation of what went on in that thread. Even if you did say that that was an isolated incident (I don't recall if you did, but if you say you did, I'll accept it), you also joined right in for the "that's what happens when you mess with Texas"-type rhetoric that suggested that it was an example of a larger principle or trend.

 

[Kathryn]

That's a bit of a misrepesentation of what went on in that thread. Even if you did say that that was an isolated incident (I don't recall if you did, but if you say you did, I'll accept it), you also joined right in for the "that's what happens when you mess with Texas"-type rhetoric that suggested that it was an example of a larger principle or trend.

No sir - that was YOUR interpretation, which is definitely and obviously skewered by your own personal beliefs and ideas (and prejudices) about Texas and the US and Americans in general.

I definitely said that the events portrayed in that thread (and highly edited, too, I might add) made the news specifically because they were odd and unusual. (You may not recall this, but though the OP failed to mention this, the "victim" was not seriously hurt, though the implication was otherwise).

"Don't mess with Texas" never has and never does mean "Blow someone's head off if they come in your yard." I made that very clear on that thread.

I was gracious enough on this thread to agree with the idea that perhaps, PERHAPS, this event with the dad getting arrested is an anomaly and therefore newsworthy, rather than the status quo north of us.

Is it? Or is this sort of attitude and event rather typical?

 

[Kathryn]

One thought: it made the news because it is bizarre. IOW, it's decidedly atypical, so I don't think it's a reasonable basis to use to draw general conclusions about Canadian attitudes toward guns.

Hey, what do you think about the generalizations about Texas on the other thread? Will you be as generous toward that state as you are inclined to be toward Canada?

In other words, will you be consistent?

 

[SageTree]

Kitchener.... enough said.

 

[Wannabe Yogi]

One thought: it made the news because it is bizarre. IOW, it's decidedly atypical, so I don't think it's a reasonable basis to use to draw general conclusions about Canadian attitudes toward guns.

Thank you, I was beginning to doubt the Canadian #1 position as the nicest most respectable people in the world.

 

[Revoltingest]

The mostly penguin is jealous of the "Don't mess with Texas" motto.
He must endure "Don't call us bland. We're Canuckistan!".