Have YOU ever read CHICK Publications?

[MaddLlama]

Of course lying is not good, and I do not think Jack knows any more about the details of other religions than those who practice them. I still don't believe he is an out and out liar, and He tells folks the only way to get saved, through Jesus Christ. If he is a liar, on purpose, then talk to him about it, see how he sees it the way he does. Like I said before, he is human, if he has some errors, I am sure the Lord will correct him, rebuke him, show him, or take his power and blessing away from his ministry if he does not correct them. Paul wrote of some preachers of the gospel who did it for the wrong reasons, he said that at least the gospel was being preached whether in pretense or in truth. Not that I condone that sort of thing. I don't like it when any preacher has faulty information to back his claims up, they are to study to show themselves approved of God, workmen rightly dividing the Word of truth. I believe Jack is right about Jesus, and I am more concerned with Jesus than Jack. I would be more than happy to defend Jesus, Jack is just a man...

But, it has been shown to you multiple time that Jack misrepresents other faiths, people of other faiths and does lie about them, you just don't want to believe us. I have known plenty of people who have tried to correct him, and they have gotten some nasty hate-filled letters back. Most of them to the effect of "I know better than you, because you're a sick heathen".
Jack does not do any research of his claims of other religions at all. He refuses to correct himself when it's pointed out that he is wrong, and he tells people who tell him he is wrong that they are liars and he hates them for not loving Christ.

So, tell me, does that make him a good witness?

 

[joeboonda]

But, it has been shown to you multiple time that Jack misrepresents other faiths, people of other faiths and does lie about them, you just don't want to believe us. I have known plenty of people who have tried to correct him, and they have gotten some nasty hate-filled letters back. Most of them to the effect of "I know better than you, because you're a sick heathen".
Jack does not do any research of his claims of other religions at all. He refuses to correct himself when it's pointed out that he is wrong, and he tells people who tell him he is wrong that they are liars and he hates them for not loving Christ.

So, tell me, does that make him a good witness?

Yeah, I don't believe he hates anyone, I believe he loves them enough to tell them about Christ. If there is something wrong with him, then he will be dealt with accordingly. All I am saying, is I have read many Chick tracts that are beautiful presentations of the gospel, and that is what I like. Jack has to answer for Jack, I don't know anymore to say.

 

[Bishka]

I like how all the non-Christian characters tend to be ugly, and the gospel-preaching characters tend to be good-looking. Very effective.

I've also noticed that most of the good characters tend to be white, instead of multi-racial.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Thanks, Mystic, I can at least see where you are coming from. I am trying to learn how to witness to people about the Lord better myself, without causing offense, although the cross is an offense, the Bible says. And I believe in only the Bible, and only in Jesus as the way of salvation, so that pretty much puts me at odds with everyone. I accepted that a long time ago.

Bold print was my own addition:

I'm sorry you feel that way. I certainly wish that you would feel more camaraderie (sp?) with others while knowing that you are at opposite ends theologically.




*oops moment* - I apologize for calling you Joe since I recently saw that your real name is Mike.




I certainly applaud any and all Christians who feel secure because of faith in Jesus Christ and because of declaring that he is the only path to salvation. However, the faith itself isn't up for debate here.............it is simply the motivation and method with Chick tracts.



I have been witnessed to before where I knew the motivation was filled with love.



I have also been witnessed to before where I knew the motivation was filled with fear and disgust.




Jack Chick seems to design his methods around a motivation that is unfortunately filled with fear, disgust, anger, and ego. I'm sorry if I'm beating a dead horse, Mike. You seemed open to what I had to say, and I certainly commend you for standing strong for your beliefs. I guess I find his tracts unexpectedly useful, too, for shaking me out of the delusion that only people like me deserve my compassion............Jack Chick deserves my compassion, as well, because I believe he has buddha-nature like everyone else.






Peace,
Mystic

 

[joeboonda]

Hi MysticSang-'Ha, you can call me Mike or Joe, or whatever, its cool. Yes I feel a comeraderie with everyone regardless of religion. I was just pointing out that Jesus said that He was the only way, that He was the only one who died for our sins, and said no man comes to the Father but by Him. Of course I believe the Bible is the Word of God, because of many things, especially the prophecies come true, so I must accept the statement. Now, if it said there are many ways to God, not just through trusting Jesus, then I would believe it because it is God's Word. I also believe, and think it is Biblical, that those who have never had a chance to hear the Gospel, and understand it, the Holy Spirit enlighting them, will not be judged for rejecting Christ. I believe we all have the creation to show we have a creator, and our conscience, God's Word written in our hearts. If one who never heard of Christ, thus never rejected Him, yet called to God and asked God to forgive Him/Her, I believe God hears their cry and forgives them. Anyway, I don't want to get too deep into all that, lol. I am done talking about Chick, too. I know he stands against a lot of things and may come across as a bad man, He also tries to point out what He believes is the truth of the gospel of Love. His tracts and stuff can be looked at from different angles, different ways by all different people, can be seen as good or bad, true or false, I only know He presents the Gospel, and if He has other issues then I can only let God judge Him at Judgement Day. I understand what everyone is saying, and I see it from many sides. I personaly, witness and debate with others about what I believe is true and false out of love and concern for others eternal souls. Although in love, it can come across as an attack, (boy do I know), like a personal attack, instead of a battle against false doctrines or whatever. I'm gonna drop this now, folks have tried to prove Chick to be bad and I am not convinced of that, I only hope and pray that anything we do say or do will be done out of love for others and for the truth. Thanks for you kindness to me, Mystic, and your honesty, and to all who have posted, you have kicked butt ! If anything, it seems true and good that we scrutinize every and any teacher or leader and what they teach from all sides, to try to get as close to the truth as we can, to see if they are motivated by love or money, or whatever else.

 

[MaddLlama]

Let me just make sure I have this straight so I can make a mental note:

God will judge him in the end, so it doesn't matter to you if the information he gives about other religions through his tracts is accurate or based on research (rather than on stereotypes, and misinformation)? And, if you read the words of a Christian on another religion, do you believe them without question? Even if said person has no experience with the religion in question?

Just curious...

 

[joeboonda]

Let me just make sure I have this straight so I can make a mental note:

God will judge him in the end, so it doesn't matter to you if the information he gives about other religions through his tracts is accurate or based on research (rather than on stereotypes, and misinformation)? And, if you read the words of a Christian on another religion, do you believe them without question? Even if said person has no experience with the religion in question?

Just curious...

God will definetely judge him in the end, and, also now, for if the Holy Spirit is not in his ministry it will not succeed in saving souls. I judge religious leaders, even in, especially in, Christianity all the time by their statements, and what the Bible says. There are MANY I do not listen to or read as a result. As I just posted, I feel we should all question all our leaders, research their teachings and see if we agree with them or not. Of course I analyze and question things I read from others. Now, lets say, I do not have experience in witchcraft, (although I have been around it and had acquantences and experiences around it). Okay, well, my Bible says witchcraft is an abomination, so, I don't need to know every little thing about it to know its wrong. I know cheating on my wife would be wrong, I don't have to do it to know that. I said I understand your points, well said, you make a good case and I applaud you for it. And if it helps at all, I will be analyzing and referencing things Chick or any other publication I read puts out. One thing, there are groups who will say some certain things are not in their official doctrine, but then I hear of folks who came from these groups say that some things they don't tell people at first because they are not ready, but they do in fact, teach them, and a lot of that is things I have heard groups deny. Anyway, I am not one who believes everything I read, and if someone is mistaken or wrong on their facts, (as I've pointed out to other of my Christian friends when they had misinformation), I try to get to the bottom of it. I don't know what else to say.

 

[Feathers in Hair]

Now, lets say, I do not have experience in witchcraft, (although I have been around it and had acquantences and experiences around it). Okay, well, my Bible says witchcraft is an abomination, so, I don't need to know every little thing about it to know its wrong.

So you support his saying that witchcraft is wrong because the Bible says it's wrong, but you don't find anything wrong with him making up (or giving misinformation) about it to make it seem more wrong? Or would you prefer he simply state the verse without characterising things incorrectly, with the understanding that doing so in order to try to convert people in this method can lead to possible hatred and misunderstanding?

 

[Todd]

Go there now and read as many tracts as you can at w w w .chick. com
After you've had your fill, come back and tell me what you thought of them. I promise you won't be disappointed.

I personally don't mind them. I did only read a few of them though. He might or might not be misguided about some religions, however, the ones that I read taught that the only way to salvation is through Christ and as a Christian that is my belief. Most of the other things are debatable in Christianity, but the belief that Christ died for my sins, and that he is my only salvation, is the foundation of my belief.

 

[Sunstone]

I personally don't mind them. I did only read a few of them though. He might or might not be misguided about some religions, however, the ones that I read taught that the only way to salvation is through Christ and as a Christian that is my belief. Most of the other things are debatable in Christianity, but the belief that Christ died for my sins, and that he is my only salvation, is the foundation of my belief.

Yes, but the difference between your views and those of a guy like Chick seem to me that while both of you believe Christ is the only true path to salvation, you yourself treat those who don't believe the same thing with kindness, generosity, and respect, while Chick treats them with arrogance, pettiness and disrespect. I'm not a Christian, but if you ask me, you are much, much closer to the genuine spirit of Christianity than is Jack Chick. Just my thoughts on this.

 

[MaddLlama]

Okay, well, my Bible says witchcraft is an abomination, so, I don't need to know every little thing about it to know its wrong.

Ok, but if someone asked if you knew about witchcraft, would you tell them that witches are evil, kidnap and eat children, and conduct weekly orgies with satan himself? Because the Bible tells you that witchcraft is wrong?
If I read in a book, possibly on the subject of Athiesm, that Christians were wrong, does that give me the right to tell people that Christians are pedophiles?

Anyway, I am not one who believes everything I read, and if someone is mistaken or wrong on their facts, (as I've pointed out to other of my Christian friends when they had misinformation), I try to get to the bottom of it. I don't know what else to say.

At the risk of sounding unreasonable, I don't think that's good enough. I and others have demonstrated to you repeatedly that he willingly lies about other religions through his tracts (by making up things or simply publishing something without having done the proper research), and all you have been able to say in response to that is "Well, God will judge him", and "I support him in what he's doing".
Well, which one is it? Do you "try to get to the bottom of lies", or do you just ignore them when it's convienent for you? Not to mention the fact that you don't seem too keen on "just letting God judge them" when you think they're wrong.

 

[uu_sage]

Jack Chick?! Arrrgh....Don't even get me started on him, my blood may start to boil. Yes I had the displeasure of reading his propaganda disguised as religious material. Not only have I read his works, Jack has his headquarters in my hometown of Rancho Cucamonga. There are some people who collect Chick comics as collectibles. Despite the fact I vehemently disagree with every point of his philosophy and his approach, he is a great illustrator. At or around 2000, Chick decided to hold the viewing of his "Light of the World" film at one of the local high schools so that drew massive outrage. His hatred of anything or anyone that is not his own instills the spirit of narrow-mindedness, paranoia, distrust and civil unrest. Groups and people representing "Destructive Religion" must be held accountable if this problem goes unaccounted for there will be more disastrous results. I don't know what else to say. To quote to the Talmud “Whoever destroys a single life destroys the entire world; whoever saves a single life, saves the world entire . ”