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fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
joeboonda said:
And the Bible says witchcraft is an abomination, whatever one may say, if they are a white witch or just practice wicca in its many varieties, it is not worshipping almighty God, but many gods, or mother earth or whatever, and it is condemned in the Bible, and anything that leads people away from worshipping the one true God of the Bible is leading them to worship Satan whether they ever realize it or not. If we are not worshipping the true God, then we are worshipping false gods which are demons, representative of Satan himself.

I understand your beliefs on this subject, and it is a tricky area. There are many people who sincerely believe that if someone is not worshiping the “one true God” are worshiping Satan. And although I don’t believe that this is true, what you are saying here is not a lie. It is the truth as you understand it.

But this is not what Jack Chick says on the topic. Jack Chick spreads lies. Jack Chick explicitly states that Witches knowingly worship Satan by that name, that they cast evil harmful spells, and that they sacrifice infants and drink their blood. Have you ever heard of Blood Libel? These are the most despicable, hateful, destructive lies that a person can spread.
 

joeboonda

Well-Known Member
MaddLlama said:
But, it misrepresents witchcraft by saying that witches actively worship satan, and they use role playing game to seduce children. Neither of those are true. Do you not see something wrong with that? People will read his garbage and think that Wiccans attack and recruit children, and are dangerous. Is that OK in your book?

I don't believe witches ACTIVELY worship Satan, but UNKNOWINGLY I believe they do. All religions try to grow and recruit people. I can go to any college library or any bookstore and see the shelves full of occult books. I am not going to debate whether witchcraft is right or wrong, the Bible says its wrong and I believe the Bible, if you don't that is fine with me. The Bible tells us we do not wrestle with flesh and blood but with spiritual powers and such, demonic activity that goes on where we don't even see it.
 

joeboonda

Well-Known Member
fantôme profane said:
I understand your beliefs on this subject, and it is a tricky area. There are many people who sincerely believe that if someone is not worshiping the “one true God” are worshiping Satan. And although I don’t believe that this is true, what you are saying here is not a lie. It is the truth as you understand it.

But this is not what Jack Chick says on the topic. Jack Chick spreads lies. Jack Chick explicitly states that Witches knowingly worship Satan by that name, that they cast evil harmful spells, and that they sacrifice infants and drink their blood. Have you ever heard of Blood Libel? These are the most despicable, hateful, destructive lies that a person can spread.

There are people who do those things, that are witches, some are satanists, etc. Of course I and Jack know that not ALL witches KNOWINGLY worship Satan or cast 'bad' spells or sacrifice animals, ppl, but if Satan can fool a person into not worshipping God, if he can start them out with something seemingly good, innocent, (which is how he operates) and then slowly draw them deeper into the occult, you can bet he will try anything he can, no matter how sweet and good it may appear. He himself masquerades as an angel of light, and so do his 'teachers'.
 

MaddLlama

Obstructor of justice
joeboonda said:
I don't believe witches ACTIVELY worship Satan, but UNKNOWINGLY I believe they do. All religions try to grow and recruit people. I can go to any college library or any bookstore and see the shelves full of occult books. I am not going to debate whether witchcraft is right or wrong, the Bible says its wrong and I believe the Bible, if you don't that is fine with me. The Bible tells us we do not wrestle with flesh and blood but with spiritual powers and such, demonic activity that goes on where we don't even see it.

But I'm telling you that Chick, the man you say is a wonderful representation of Christianity, DOES believe and TELLS people that witches conciously and actively worship satan. I know that Christians believe that anyone who isn't a Chrisian is inadvertently worshipping satan, but there is a difference.
Yes, all religions want people to subscribe to them, but publishing books and stocking them in bookstores isn't the same thing as what is presented in the tracts, or by other "christians" who think they know about Paganism. They tell people that witches go around trying to lure in children with games, and then suck the children into a dark world of devil worship and sacrafice.
If that isn't an accurate portrayl of modern witchcraft, then Jack Chick is a liar.
 

MysticSang'ha

Big Squishy Hugger
Premium Member
He also portrays Buddhism as an idolatrous religion where practicioners worship and pray to Buddha. If he did any kind of research into Buddhism before publishing the one particular tract about the Buddhist (called "The Tycoon"), then he either completely misunderstood or he is knowingly spreading lies about Buddhism.




Either way it is unreliable and sloppy marketing.





Peace,
Mystic
 

joeboonda

Well-Known Member
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]I was a sold-out, goddess-worshipping witch![/FONT]
Excerpted from Wicca, by William Schnoebelen
©1990 by William Schnoebelen. Reproduced by permission
I was a witch! I was a sold-out, goddess-worshipping witch! When my "lady" and I chipped the ice out of a stream in the middle of Iowa wilderness to bathe and then celebrate the March equinox naked under the stars, we were totally consumed with zeal for the Wicca. We drove 170 miles one way every weekend to teach classes in Wicca in a car with a bumper sticker which said "In Goddess We Trust!"
We were kicked out of almost every apartment we tried to rent for wild circle dances and burning frankincense; and we had a firebomb thrown into one temple because we dared to publicly proclaim the goddess!
Wicca is one of the more seductive deceptions that Satan has come up with. It is the contemporary name for the cult of so-called "white" witchcraft or Neo-Paganism, which has been enjoying a renaissance in the United States.
It claims to be a "back to nature" religion which worships the sky and earth, and thus has attracted many adherents among those sympathetic to environmental and ecology issues. Yet, for all its charm and nostalgic fantasy, Wicca drew me into the deepest quagmire of satanic evil imaginable.
Almost everything we did back then raised eyebrows. Regrettably, we see people today doing things openly that we had to do in secret. We see books that used to only be available in dark, musty occult bookstores now being sold openly in shopping malls. The meditation practices we taught in secret witchcraft circles are now being taught in "respectable" churches.
Naturally, we believed we were doing good. I was a sincere devotee of the chief deity of Wicca, the Great Mother. At first I believed the rites we did were for the benefit of humanity and the earth itself. I also believed what I was told: that there was a profound difference between the Wicca and those called satanists or devil-worshipers.
I thought that the whole meaning of Wicca was beneficial rituals to nature deities like Pan, Diana or Cernunnos; and of course rites of passage and initiation. I stood, blindfolded, naked and bound at the edge of the Circle "which is placed between the worlds." I heard the words of the Great Mother and felt the prick of the swordpoint challenging my courage. I was anointed as a "Priest of the Goddess" and learned her secret name. I gave my life to her service.
I truly believed that she was the One "who was with me from the beginning, and who was attained at the end of desire." I walked the earth and felt her a living, breathing thing; and I worshiped her as "Holy Mother Earth."
It took me sixteen years of ardent devotion to her and the Craft to find out that I was terribly wrong. I had to learn the hard way that my only hope for true spiritual fulfillment in life was Jesus Christ!
I finally learned in the most graphic fashion imaginable that the difference between witchcraft or Wicca and satanism is actually non-existent. To be sure, an anthropologist or sociologist of religion might find them different, but such distinctions mean little when you are gambling with the eternal fate of your own immortal soul.
The actual spiritual difference between Wicca and satanism might best be illustrated this way: Practicing Wicca is like having a hand-grenade blow up in your face, in terms of the spiritual impact. Practicing satanism is like having a neutron bomb detonate in your face. The difference is there and discernable, but it is still an utter disaster for you, either way.
In eternal perspective, the disaster of Wicca is altogether real and no less dangerous than that neutron bomb.
Why Should YOU Believe This Warning?
Before we discuss this subject, allow me to give my credentials. I was initiated into the Alexandrian Wicca on Imbolc, February 2, 1973 and made a High Priest and Magus in September of the same year. That summer my lady and I were also promoted to the High Priestly rank in the Druidic Craft of the Wise. We also helped establish a Church of All Worlds "nest" in Milwaukee and studied under Gavin and Yvonne Frost and their Church and School of Wicca.
Wicca has many "denominations" or traditions. Some are large and well-known, like the Alexandrian, Gardnerian, Druidic, Welsh Traditionalist, Gerogian, Dianic and Church of Wicca. Others are as small as a single coven or 13, or even a family tradition.
My wife and I established covens all over the Midwest; Dubuque and Davenport, Iowa; Madison and Milwaukee, Wisconsin; and Chicago. Over the years, we advanced to higher levels of witchcraft. Up to our departure from the city of Milwaukee in 1984, we were presiding over one of the oldest and largest networks of covens in the Midwest.
About a year after becoming a High Priest (1974), I was told by our initiators that Wicca was not what it seemed. Although much of the extant literature written by witches (and Dr. Margaret Murray's work) would lead one to believe that Wicca is a survival of the ancient pagan fertility cults, especially of Northern Europe and the British Isles; there is not a shred of real historical proof for any connection between Bronze Age cults and modern witchcraft.
I learned from our initiators that it seemed that Wicca is, in fact, a manufactured religion not much older than this century. There did not seem to be evidence for any Book of Shadows (a combined "bible" and ritual book for Wiccans) much older than the 1910's!
You see, Wicca is one of Satan's "nicer" creations, tailor-made for the last half of this century. Although it may have existed for perhaps a century at most, it "came out of the broom closet" in 1951, when the British laws against witchcraft were repealed. It is nothing really new, but its packaging is subtly different, tailored to a world strangling on its own technology and dying for romance, idealism and meaning.
A Cult of Deception
You may say: "So you got sucked in too deep. So what? I've been a witch for years and never got into that satanic junk. It's just a Christian myth for real losers. As long as I stay where I am, I'm cool. I'm happy!" That may be so, but do you honestly want to belong to a cult that deals in deception?

Let's look at the word, "Wicca," as an example. The OXFORD ENGLISH DICTIONARY reveals that the word does not mean "wise one." It means twisted, bent, or warped. Even Margot Adler admits that the word has its roots in the Indo-European roots "wic" or "weik" meaning "to bend or to turn." Of course, she tries to put the best possible face on it by saying that: "According to this view, a Witch would be a woman ( or man) skilled in the art of shaping, bending and changing reality."Elsewhere, she asserts that: "The lexicographical (dictionary) definitions of witch are rather confusing and bear little relation to the definitions given by Witches themselves."
But this is playing games, the same sort of word games most cultists play to conceal the truth. By this standard, anyone, including Anton LaVey, could say they were a witch and be right.
Yet you should hear the howls of rage among the Neo-Pagan community when even Gavin and Yvonne Frost first claimed to be witches. They couldn't be witches, they were monotheists, fakes and gay-bashers! So all of a sudden there WAS an objective standard of what makes one a witch. Yet like many things in occultism, it vanishes like mist when you try and pin it down.
In my own personal development as a witch, and the development of almost all our colleagues, I found that after about five or six yeaars it was necessary to begin pursuing the study of the "Higher Wisdom" of Satan in order to keep growing. Magick is like a drug. You keep needing more in order to stay at a level at which you feel fulfilled. There is no end to it!

If you've stayed a Wiccan or "white" witch for a long time, it's only because you don't have enough of the Promethean itch to grow. OR it may be that you have many Christian friends or loved ones praying for you. Did you ever think of that?
Satan's hoofprints are all over Wicca
©1984-2006 Chick Publications, Inc. All rights reserved. Some portions of www.chick.com are copyrighted by others and reproduced by permission, as indicated by copyright notices on individual pages.
 

joeboonda

Well-Known Member
MysticSang'ha said:
He also portrays Buddhism as an idolatrous religion where practicioners worship and pray to Buddha. If he did any kind of research into Buddhism before publishing the one particular tract about the Buddhist (called "The Tycoon"), then he either completely misunderstood or he is knowingly spreading lies about Buddhism.




Either way it is unreliable and sloppy marketing.





Peace,
Mystic

The Buddha is an idol. The tract warns of not accepting Christ as Saviour, of rejecting Him and following Buddha's teachings instead.
 

MaddLlama

Obstructor of justice
Schnoebelen is more of a liar than Chick himself. Probably as bad as Benny Hinn.

I have to ask you a question......are you at all interested in what anyone else besides you believes, or do you prefer to listen to people who have no first hand experience?

Let's talk about Chick and
Schnoebelen:

http://www.witchvox.com/va/dt_va.html?a=cabc&c=whs&id=4638
http://www.witchvox.com/va/dt_va.html?a=cabc&c=whs&id=4355
http://www.witchvox.com/va/dt_va.html?a=cabc&c=whs&id=4356

And, if you don't believe that, since they're Pagan sites (which means they're bias *rolls eyes*), I would be more than happy to set you up in a discussion with two wonderful real Christian women who know about the occult first hand and think both Chick and
Schnoebelen are complete idiots at best, and dangerous at worst. And, if you won't listen to other Bible-believing Christians, then there's just no discussing anything with you.


 

MaddLlama

Obstructor of justice
joeboonda said:
The Buddha is an idol. The tract warns of not accepting Christ as Saviour, of rejecting Him and following Buddha's teachings instead.

But, you're ignoring the fact that he erroneously claims that Buddhists actually worship and pray to Buddha. We are showing you how and where he lies, and you just ignore all the evidence so you can exist in your tiny little bubble of a world where you and your hero Jack can do no wrong.

So, you think he doesn't lie? Here are some claims, from the first link I posted:
  • The Vatican controls international banking through the Jesuits and a secret society that he calls the "Illuminati."
  • The Vatican financed the Nazi party in post World War 1 Germany and the communist revolution in Russia.
  • That Jesuit priests coached Karl Marx and Frederick Engels in writing "the Communist Manifesto".
  • That the Jesuits were behind the assassination of Abraham Lincoln.
  • That the book Mein Kampf was written by a Jesuit priest, not Adolf Hitler.
  • That all religions besides Chick's version of fundamentalist Christianity are forms of "Baal worship."
  • That the Russians will invade Israel and start World War III, which Chick figures will be the Armageddon of Biblical prophecy.
If even one of those things is not true, then he is a liar. If all of them are not true...? Well, then he really really is a dirty liar.
 

joeboonda

Well-Known Member
Well, I read some of the link, did you read mine? At least we are in agreement about Benny Hinn. As for Chick and Schnoebelen, I believe they stand for the Lord, and if they have spoken falsely or innacurrately at any time at all, the Lord will judge them for it. I think they are right about witchcraft and false religions, and right about the Lord Jesus Christ and the Bible.
 

joeboonda

Well-Known Member
divine said:
not any more than the cross, or crucifix, or a picture of jesus is.:rolleyes:
the cross is a symbol, we do not worship or bow down to it. I don't believe in the crucifix, my Lord is in Heaven, and a picture is just a picture, unless you bow down to it. If you bow down and worship and pray to a cross or picture, then it is idolatry. If it is a symbol, it is just that, a symbol. The Buddha represents Buddhism, which I believe is a false religion, as I am a follower of Christ.
 

MaddLlama

Obstructor of justice
joeboonda said:
Well, I read some of the link, did you read mine? At least we are in agreement about Benny Hinn. As for Chick and Schnoebelen, I believe they stand for the Lord, and if they have spoken falsely or innacurrately at any time at all, the Lord will judge them for it. I think they are right about witchcraft and false religions, and right about the Lord Jesus Christ and the Bible.

So, you think witches prey on children to convert and sacrafice them, of have them participate in wild orgies? After all, you must think that if you believe they're both right about witchcraft.

And, you also haven't answered my question.
 

joeboonda

Well-Known Member
MaddLlama said:
But, you're ignoring the fact that he erroneously claims that Buddhists actually worship and pray to Buddha. We are showing you how and where he lies, and you just ignore all the evidence so you can exist in your tiny little bubble of a world where you and your hero Jack can do no wrong.

So, you think he doesn't lie? Here are some claims, from the first link I posted:
  • The Vatican controls international banking through the Jesuits and a secret society that he calls the "Illuminati."
  • The Vatican financed the Nazi party in post World War 1 Germany and the communist revolution in Russia.
  • That Jesuit priests coached Karl Marx and Frederick Engels in writing "the Communist Manifesto".
  • That the Jesuits were behind the assassination of Abraham Lincoln.
  • That the book Mein Kampf was written by a Jesuit priest, not Adolf Hitler.
  • That all religions besides Chick's version of fundamentalist Christianity are forms of "Baal worship."
  • That the Russians will invade Israel and start World War III, which Chick figures will be the Armageddon of Biblical prophecy.
If even one of those things is not true, then he is a liar. If all of them are not true...? Well, then he really really is a dirty liar.

I wasn't there, so I don't know, and the last statement is just what he thinks will happen from Bible prophecy. We don't have a problem with non-essentials like end time stuff and trying to figure out the exact sequences of events. I believe the Russians will attack Israel myself, there are a few theories as to exactly when and if it will or will not be the final Armageddon. Like I said, he tells the gospel, people get saved from Hell, and I think that is great. If he has purposefully lied then the Lord will judge him.
 

MaddLlama

Obstructor of justice
joeboonda said:
If he has purposefully lied then the Lord will judge him.

You can take it a step further and choose not to support his lies. Because, supporting lies is just as bad as lying, and I suppose that means your God will judge you too.
 

d.

_______
joeboonda said:
the cross is a symbol, we do not worship or bow down to it. I don't believe in the crucifix, my Lord is in Heaven, and a picture is just a picture, unless you bow down to it. If you bow down and worship and pray to a cross or picture, then it is idolatry. If it is a symbol, it is just that, a symbol. The Buddha represents Buddhism, which I believe is a false religion, as I am a follower of Christ.

yes; and buddhist do not worship or pray to buddha or buddha statues. so it's not idolatry according to your definition. see?
 

joeboonda

Well-Known Member
divine said:
yes; and buddhist do not worship or pray to buddha or buddha statues. so it's not idolatry according to your definition. see?

I see your point, although idolatry is also worshipping other Gods but the God of the Bible according to the Bible, so it is still idolatry to me. And you say no monk has ever bowed down to a statue of a Buddha? hmmm....
 

joeboonda

Well-Known Member
MaddLlama said:
You can take it a step further and choose not to support his lies. Because, supporting lies is just as bad as lying, and I suppose that means your God will judge you too.

My God will certainly judge me, and I will be found guilty, for I am a poor sinner and could never stand before the Lord on my own righteousness. I have broken all the ten commandments, including idolatry-having other gods before God. I am a guilty sinner but thank God Jesus paid for my sins and they are all forgiven, past, present, and future. I have that assurance, anyone else? Yes, I am saved by the grace of God, but He will judge me at the Judgement Seat of Christ, (not the Great White Throne Judgement), and I am pretty sure I will suffer a great loss of reward there, not salvation, but reward and position perhaps, for I am just a sinner saved by grace, growing (ever to slowly) in grace, still a work in progress, forgiven but not at all close to perfect. But praise God I have been bought with a price, and I have an advocate in Heaven, Jesus Christ the Lord, and the Holy Spirit to help me. I will say, I think Jack Chick is right on on most of what He teaches about Jesus and the Bible, and how to get saved, and exposing false religions, cults, and the occult, etc. I am sure he is not infallible, he may be wrong sometimes, he may have his own ideas that I may not go along with, I don't know. But, I am more for Jesus than for Jack. Jack points people to Jesus, and Jesus will never lie, on purpose or accident, and if you think Jesus is a liar, then you are wrong. Jesus said I am the way...nobody comes to the Father but by me. Forget Jack, what are you going to do with Jesus?
 

Bishka

Veteran Member
joeboonda said:
This is from the Chick website, it is the intro to their teachings about Mormonism, it seems pretty kind to me...

[SIZE=+2]Answers to my Mormon Friends[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]©2001 by Thomas F. Heinze[/SIZE]​
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Reproduced by permission​
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Chapter 1
[SIZE=+1]The Mormon Scriptures[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]• Who Are The Mormons
• The Mormon's Scriptures
• Where Did the Book of Mormon Come From?
• Correcting the Most Correct Book
• History, Archeology, and the Book or Mormon[/SIZE] Who Are The Mormons?
The Mormons are members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. They follow a religion founded by Joseph Smith, the first Mormon prophet, following a series of visions which started around 1820.
While they kept themselves separate during their early years, condemning all Christian churches and putting great emphasis on their prophet Joseph Smith, more recently there have been many changes in their culture and even a few changes in their doctrine.
Their emphasis now is much less on Joseph Smith and much more on Jesus Christ. As a Christian, I applaud and encourage this increased emphasis on Christ. I hope this direction will continue, and that many will come to trust Him completely and exclusively for their salvation.
In addition, where once Mormons were somewhat known for dysfunctional families with numerous downtrodden wives, in more recent years they have come to be admired for their strong emphasis on sound families and high moral values. In a world where alcohol and drug abuse abound, Mormons excel. A good Mormon does not even drink coffee or tea.
The Mormon's Scriptures

The Mormons have four books as their scriptures:

Oh my......makes us sound like we were horrible people when Joseph Smith came around. Our emphasis was never on Joseph Smith, it's always been on Christ. Yes, Joseph Smith was a great man and a great prophet, but our emphasis has always been on Christ, how many times do we have to say that until you get it?
 
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