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Bishka
Veteran Member
joeboonda said:
You don't think he spreads lies? He says that certain religions teach certain things and certain practices--when they really don't, He says that certain ways of life (I'm not even thinking of homosexuality here, I'm more aiming for D & D) will lead you down the horrible path when they have never.....So that isn't lying? I'd love to see you in the courtroom.:sarcastic
joeboonda
Well-Known Member
Katzpur said:
I see where you are coming from, if its not on the official LDS website, then it is not considered LDS teaching. While I can agree with that, Jack documents many writings and statements of LDS prophets and leaders who have taught these things and many follow their teachings. But he also holds the Bible as our only final authority, and as such, we have differences (however small they seem to some) with the LDS in doctrine. Now I don't know that Jack is perfect, the Lord will judge that, but I know he tells people how to get saved, and he calls a spade a spade, and if someone loves me, I want them to tell me if I am on the wrong path or involved in something, or sin, that is displeasing to the Lord.
joeboonda
Well-Known Member
beckysoup61 said:
Well, homosexuality is a sin, the Bible says so. The D&D thing, well, I played it. My friends played for hours and hours, but, that is not so much what is bad in the tract. Although it does teach certain principles, trying to get more power, money, using spells etc. But the main thing on the tract I read, was just a story of a person who was a witch was using it to get close to the kids who they were trying to recruit into the occult. They could have been using any game, it was what they used it for that was wrong. And the Bible says witchcraft is an abomination, whatever one may say, if they are a white witch or just practice wicca in its many varieties, it is not worshipping almighty God, but many gods, or mother earth or whatever, and it is condemned in the Bible, and anything that leads people away from worshipping the one true God of the Bible is leading them to worship Satan whether they ever realize it or not. If we are not worshipping the true God, then we are worshipping false gods which are demons, representative of Satan himself.
Feathers in Hair
World's Tallest Hobbit
Please believe what you wish, but do not tell me that because I worship other gods, that I'm 'against' your God. If you want to claim that, I am very happy to go into a one-on-one thread with you, so we don't drag this topic off any longer. But if you're not willing to do that, do not tell me whom I worship.
joeboonda
Well-Known Member
FeathersinHair said:
Hi, I was not talking to you, nor was I telling you that. It is the Bible which says that, I am just saying what the Bible says, that's all. If you don't believe in the Bible, that its God's word, then that is fine, you don't believe it, so you don't accept what it says, so you can ignore me when I say what the Bible says. There are many things which I would not care either way about except that the Bible has something to say about it, and I believe the Bible is God's Word, that's all. You see, the BIble contains statements that can be offensive to about any other religion, cult, occult, life-style, etc. out there. The cross of Christ is an offense, the Bible says. I am just saying what the Bible says, if you don't believe it, then I respect that, we can agree to disagree. The Bible says the 'idols' people worship represent devils, if someone does not believe that the God of the Bible is God, and the Bible is not His Word, then thats fine, I only proclaim what the Bible says, that is all.
Bishka
Veteran Member
joeboonda said:
That's not what the lovely little tract said and you know it. It plainly stated, you play D & D you go to hell or become a witch and then go to hell.
His so called 'truth' is laughable at best and should be ignored. Personally, people who believe his tracts and praise them should actually try to search for the truth instead of being feed it by someone who is doing this for his own gain.
Feathers in Hair
World's Tallest Hobbit
joeboonda said:
That's okay. My Goddess loves you, as well.
joeboonda
Well-Known Member
beckysoup61 said:
I must have read a different tract or something, mine was about a witch that used D&D to attract people she could then lure into the occult. Anyway, I don't believe anyone would go to Hell if they play D&D, lol. Especially a born-again believer, nothing can separate us from the love of God. But, I believe there is some influence the game could have on the wrong people, just like playing with tarot cards and ouiji boards and crystal balls and such, could be harmful or could lead people down a wrong path, away from the Lord (of the Bible).
Feathers in Hair
World's Tallest Hobbit
joeboonda said:
Mainly Kwan Yin. Sometimes Artemis or Hina, but mainly Kwan Yin.
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
Well, that's where Jack messes up. First of all, what do you mean when you say, "many follow their teachings"? Which specific teachings does Jack mention that you believe many Latter-day Saints follow? (I'm assuming that you have some in mind and that you're not simply making general statements for which there is no evidence.) Why do you suppose Jack quotes from non-doctrinal LDS sources when there are plenty of doctrinal sources available? If it is not his intent to mislead people into thinking that the Latter-day Saints believe and practice things they do not believe and practice, why does he feel the need to make the statements he does?joeboonda said:
MaddLlama
Obstructor of justice
joeboonda said:
But, it misrepresents witchcraft by saying that witches actively worship satan, and they use role playing game to seduce children. Neither of those are true. Do you not see something wrong with that? People will read his garbage and think that Wiccans attack and recruit children, and are dangerous. Is that OK in your book?
Tolerantchristian
New Member
I'll do one better. I used to sell the fool things. Jack Chick is NOT representative of of Christianity. The fact they still sell as well as they do is proof there's a stupid epidemic going around.
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
I'm starting to think that with this guy, the end justifies the means. If he has to present other people's beliefs as sick, bizarre, evil, etc., he won't hesitate to do so. Apparently, he isn't confident enough in the strength of his own position to let it stand on its own. He has to undercut everybody else's so that his will look good by comparison. And it obviously works to some extent. There are people out there who actually believe that he knows what he's talking about. Besides, people like to believe this kind of stuff -- stuff like witches worshipping Satan. It's a lot more intriging than the truth.MaddLlama said:
joeboonda
Well-Known Member
This is from the Chick website, it is the intro to their teachings about Mormonism, it seems pretty kind to me...
[SIZE=+2]Answers to my Mormon Friends[/SIZE]
Chapter 1
[SIZE=+1]The Mormon Scriptures[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1] Who Are The Mormons
The Mormon's Scriptures
Where Did the Book of Mormon Come From?
Correcting the Most Correct Book
History, Archeology, and the Book or Mormon[/SIZE] Who Are The Mormons?
The Mormons are members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. They follow a religion founded by Joseph Smith, the first Mormon prophet, following a series of visions which started around 1820.
While they kept themselves separate during their early years, condemning all Christian churches and putting great emphasis on their prophet Joseph Smith, more recently there have been many changes in their culture and even a few changes in their doctrine.
Their emphasis now is much less on Joseph Smith and much more on Jesus Christ. As a Christian, I applaud and encourage this increased emphasis on Christ. I hope this direction will continue, and that many will come to trust Him completely and exclusively for their salvation.
In addition, where once Mormons were somewhat known for dysfunctional families with numerous downtrodden wives, in more recent years they have come to be admired for their strong emphasis on sound families and high moral values. In a world where alcohol and drug abuse abound, Mormons excel. A good Mormon does not even drink coffee or tea.
The Mormon's Scriptures
The Mormons have four books as their scriptures:
[SIZE=+2]Answers to my Mormon Friends[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]©2001 by Thomas F. Heinze[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Reproduced by permission
[/SIZE]Chapter 1
[SIZE=+1]The Mormon Scriptures[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1] Who Are The Mormons
The Mormon's Scriptures
Where Did the Book of Mormon Come From?
Correcting the Most Correct Book
History, Archeology, and the Book or Mormon[/SIZE] Who Are The Mormons?
The Mormons are members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. They follow a religion founded by Joseph Smith, the first Mormon prophet, following a series of visions which started around 1820.
While they kept themselves separate during their early years, condemning all Christian churches and putting great emphasis on their prophet Joseph Smith, more recently there have been many changes in their culture and even a few changes in their doctrine.
Their emphasis now is much less on Joseph Smith and much more on Jesus Christ. As a Christian, I applaud and encourage this increased emphasis on Christ. I hope this direction will continue, and that many will come to trust Him completely and exclusively for their salvation.
In addition, where once Mormons were somewhat known for dysfunctional families with numerous downtrodden wives, in more recent years they have come to be admired for their strong emphasis on sound families and high moral values. In a world where alcohol and drug abuse abound, Mormons excel. A good Mormon does not even drink coffee or tea.
The Mormon's Scriptures
The Mormons have four books as their scriptures:
- The Bible, King James Version
- The Book of Mormon (My abbreviation: B of M)
- The Doctrine and Covenants
- The Pearl of Great Price. etc...........go here to read all: http://www.chick.com/reading/books/126/126_01.asp