Have you read your holy book

[Secret Chief]

Yes, precisely why i prefer the words of the man himself rather than some anonymous wiki.

I took "de facto atheist" to be a quote from him?

"On his spectrum of theistic probability, which has seven levels between 1 (100% certainty that a God or gods exist) and 7 (100% certainty that a God or gods do not exist), Dawkins has said he is a 6.9, which represents a "de facto atheist" who thinks "I cannot know for certain but I think God is very improbable, and I live my life on the assumption that he is not there." When asked about his slight uncertainty, Dawkins quips, "I am agnostic to the extent that I am agnostic about fairies at the bottom of the garden." "

 

[ChristineM]

I took "de facto atheist" to be a quote from him?

Maybe, could have changed his mind

Dawkins said 6.9, not sure he said de facto atheist..6.9 out of what 7 or 10 or 100???

I think he's more anti religion. Certainly if he cannot be sure there is a god or not then he cannot be atheist.

 

[Secret Chief]

Maybe, could have changed his mind

Dawkins said 6.9, not sure he said de facto atheist..6.9 out of what 7 or 10 or 100???

I think he's more anti religion. Certainly if he cannot be sure there is a god or not then he cannot be atheist.

Edited my post, if it matters.

 

[ChristineM]

Edited my post, if it matters.

Yes it matters, it gives me something to work with. 6.9 out of 7, there is some doubt so not atheist

 

[Secret Chief]

Yes it matters, it gives me something to work with. 6.9 out of 7, there is some doubt so not atheist

How about agnostic atheist?

 

[ChristineM]

How about agnostic atheist?

Call him what you like, most people do

 

[Secret Chief]

Call him what you like, most people do

My final snippet lifted from the internet is that there is a section in The God Delusion titled The Poverty of Agnosticism.
But you probably knew that.

 

[ChristineM]

My final snippet lifted from the internet is that there is a section in The God Delusion titled The Poverty of Agnosticism.
But you probably knew that.

Yup,

I will let you into a secret, I don't rate him, i think he is one very confused man

 

[Secret Chief]

Yup,

I will let you into a secret, I don't rate him, i think he is one very confused man

I confess I only ever read The Selfish Gene and The Blind Watchmaker, before his infamy!

 

[firedragon]

paarsurrey said: ↑
paarsurrey said: ↑
For Hadith one must ponder the Quran about it:
45:7
تِلۡکَ اٰیٰتُ اللّٰہِ نَتۡلُوۡہَا عَلَیۡکَ بِالۡحَقِّ ۚ فَبِاَیِّ حَدِیۡثٍۭ بَعۡدَ اللّٰہِ وَاٰیٰتِہٖ یُؤۡمِنُوۡنَ ﴿۷﴾
These are the Signs of Allah which We rehearse unto thee with truth. In what word, then, after rejecting that of Allah and His Signs will they believe?
Holy Quran: Read, Listen and Search

I am just saying that Hadith is to be understood/interpreted within the purview of some Quranic verse/s and not the vice versa.

Quran does not say that Hadith is without doubt:
2:3
ذٰلِکَ الۡکِتٰبُ لَا رَیۡبَ ۚۖۛ فِیۡہِ ۚۛ ہُدًی لِّلۡمُتَّقِیۡنَ ۙ﴿۳﴾
This is a perfect Book; there is no doubt in it; it is a guidance for the righteous,
Holy Quran: Read, Listen and Search
All revealed/inspired books are to be believed by a Muslim within the preview of Quran, no exception for any Hadith or any saying whatever. Right?

Regards

Irrelevant.

 

[firedragon]

Some people just keep making posts for the hell of it.

 

[ChristineM]

I confess I only ever read The Selfish Gene.

Ive not read that one

 

[Secret Chief]

Ive not read that one

And I read Blind Watchmaker. Think they are both about evolution. (Long time since I read them).

 

[ChristineM]

And I read Blind Watchmaker. Think they are both about evolution. (Long time since I read them).

Like i said, I don't rate him, i only part read the god delusion and gave it up for a bad job

 

[Heyo]

Which one of them is the most unholy and unreasonable, please?
A must read for all the "nones" to read and follow. Right?

Regards

There are no atheist (or agnostic) "holy" books. And how would one fill a book with just one thought? I can't speak for other Agnostics or atheists but I think it is helpful in being or becoming an atheists to read some philosophy books, especially about logic.

 

[Heyo]

Certainly if he cannot be sure there is a god or not then he cannot be atheist.

Wrong. You don't have to be sure, you just have to not believe.

 

[ChristineM]

Wrong. You don't have to be sure, you just have to not believe.

To not believe something indicates an amount of assuredness

 

[Heyo]

To not believe something indicates an amount of assuredness

I don't believe you - but I'm only 51% sure you are wrong.

 

[ChristineM]

I don't believe you - but I'm only 51% sure you are wrong.

You have quite a big doubt there. I guess you are agnostic about the whole thing.

 

[Heyo]

You have quite a big doubt there. I guess you are agnostic about the whole thing.

Before I found out that I am an Agnostic, I called my self an agnostic atheist. Not knowing is the agnostic part, not believing is the atheistic part.