He is Risen - The Evidence

[sayak83]

Perhaps this a different topic for another op ?

Yes.

 

[John1.12]

A bit more than a "coffin" here and there ar many many many more:

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yes no one understands ,everyone's a moron . You have to have really ,really learn this stuff . Like really really really have to be taught it .

We are all ignorant on certain topics. That does not make any of us morons. But it is very foolish to spout obviously false claims about a topic that one has no understanding of at all.

I might as well be telling a nuclear engineer that the Fukashima plant failed due to an improperly installed left filangee.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Oh my!! A lying idiot doing a dishonest interview is evidence to you?

Do you not know why they were stumped? They were wondering how Ray could be such an idiot and still be breathing.

 

[PearlSeeker]

When has it not been some sort of brain disorder? If your elderly cat neighbor lady saw Jesus in her cereal bowl would you believe her? Especially if she started spouting new theology from that observation? You appear to believe Paul without adequate evidence.

By the way, have you ever taken a critical look at his Road to Damascus story? It has a very serious problem with it.

It's not just that he experienced something and taught theology. He risked his life because of his complete change in belief.

Paul is not the author of the story in Acts. His testimony is in his letters.

 

[John1.12]

We are all ignorant on certain topics. That does not make any of us morons. But it is very foolish to spout obviously false claims about a topic that one has no understanding of at all.

I might as well be telling a nuclear engineer that the Fukashima plant failed due to an improperly installed left filangee.

What if its you that doesn't understand the bible and you believe life came from non life, evolved from pond slime through the magic process of time, as the only plausible explanation thats at hand . I admit Evolution never seemed credible before I was a Christian, but I loosely believed it because heck ,who was I to swim up stream . I never really questioned anything. We accept what were taught . We give over our sense making to those we think know more than us .

 

[Subduction Zone]

It's not just that he experienced something and taught theology. He risked his life because of his complete change in belief.

Paul is not the author of the story in Acts. His testimony is in his letters.

There are countless people that have really believed their hallucinations. I do not see anything special in the letters of Paul. But it is good to see that you realize the road to Damascus story is another Christian myth.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Yes no one understands ,everyone's a moron .

That's not even close to what I said.
But this comment does tell me a thing or two about why you are so ignorant on the topic. You literally refuse to learn. And when pushed, you reply with conversation-stopping nonsense like that.

O well...

Not sure why you insist on being wrong, but I guess you are free to do so.

You have to have really ,really learn this stuff . Like really really really have to be taught it .

No. But the very least you could do is at least read up on the basics.
It's not that complicated, nor is it rocket science.

In fact, the average 14-year old will learn these basics in science class in high school.
I'm sure you are able to understand it also. I just wonder why you refuse to do so.

You don't need a phd in genetics to understand the basics of evolution.
Just like you don't need a phd in physics to understand the basics of newton's law of motion, or even Einstein's relativity.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

It's not just that he experienced something and taught theology. He risked his life because of his complete change in belief.

Mohammad Atta literally gave his life because of his change in belief, when he flew a boeing into the WTC towers. Therefor, Allah?

Paul is not the author of the story in Acts. His testimony is in his letters.

So? Testimony are just claims.

 

[John1.12]

Oh my!! A lying idiot doing a dishonest interview is evidence to you?

Do you not know why they were stumped? They were wondering how Ray could be such an idiot and still be breathing.

You could read there minds? The students understood the question . They didn't say it was a daft question . They all responded as if asked a normal question .

 

[Subduction Zone]

What if its you that doesn't understand the bible and you believe life came from non life, evolved from pond slime through the magic process of time, as the only plausible explanation thats at hand . I admit Evolution never seemed credible before I was a Christian, but I loosely believed it because heck ,who was I to swim up stream . I never really questioned anything. We accept what were taught . We give over our sense making to those we think know more than us .

I disagree. Understanding that a good portion of the Bible is myth is key to fully understanding it. It also helps to know at least something of the history of the Hebrew peoples.

You should not let your Christian views impede your ability to understand the Bible

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

What if its you that doesn't understand the bible and you believe life came from non life, evolved from pond slime through the magic process of time, as the only plausible explanation thats at hand . I admit Evolution never seemed credible before I was a Christian, but I loosely believed it because heck ,who was I to swim up stream . I never really questioned anything. We accept what were taught . We give over our sense making to those we think know more than us .

The bible is just a collection of ancient tales.

When ancient (or modern, for that matter) tales go face to face with actual independently observable objective facts, the facts win. Every single time.

The facts are what they are - no matter what ANY book or story claims.

As I alway say:

When beliefs / stories don't match the facts of reality, it's not reality that is incorrect...

 

[Subduction Zone]

You could read there minds? The students understood the question . They didn't say it was a daft question . They all responded as if asked a normal question .

You can see it in their faces. They eventually realize that they are talking to a dishonest fool.

I could probably get quotes from some of them about Ray.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

You could read there minds? The students understood the question . They didn't say it was a daft question . They all responded as if asked a normal question .

I didn't watch the clip, but will tell you that IT DOES NOT MATTER what is said in it.

What matters are facts and evidence, and careful investigation thereof as well as testing and re-testing.
What anyone says on youtube, does not trump that. Ever.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I didn't watch the clip, but will tell you that IT DOES NOT MATTER what is said in it.

What matters are facts and evidence, and careful investigation thereof as well as testing and re-testing.
What anyone says on youtube, does not trump that. Ever.

No need. Ray kept asking about a "change of kind" A bogus creationist term. There is of course no change in kind in evolution. That is why @Barry Johnson is still an ape. Just as we all are.

 

[John1.12]

No need. Ray kept asking about a "change of kind" A bogus creationist term. There is of course no change in kind in evolution. That is why @Barry Johnson is still an ape. Just as we all are.

They try to answer the question . Not one thinks its a daft question.

 

[PearlSeeker]

There are countless people that have really believed their hallucinations. I do not see anything special in the letters of Paul. But it is good to see that you realize the road to Damascus story is another Christian myth.

It is evident that Paul really believed what he saw but we can't know if it was a hallucination or not. So it's possible it was real experience.

There are myths in the Bible but Damascus story is not one of them. It is an anecdote or legend at most.

 

[Subduction Zone]

They try to answer the question . Not one thinks its a daft question.

They did not know that they were dealing with a dishonest and foolish person. They were trying to help an ignoramus. It did not help.

You could learn how there is undeniable evidence for the theory of evolution. You simply do not understand the concept of evidence. Scientists are human too so at times they will deny clear cut evidence. As a result this definition was developed:

Scientific evidence is evidence that serves to either support or counter a scientific theory or hypothesis. Such evidence is expected to be empirical evidence and interpretable in accordance with scientific method

If I have a testable idea (a scientific theory or hypothesis has to be testable or falsifiable) and I have an empirical observation that supports that idea then by definition I have scientific evidence for that idea. If someone presents scientific evidence it also puts the burden of proof upon the denier. Mere denial is not enough, if one wants to claim that Lucy is not evidence for evolution all one needs to do is to show how her hips alone are clear evidence of her closer similarity to man than to chimps. No creationist has been able to refute the evidence of that find.

 

[Subduction Zone]

It is evident that Paul really believed what he saw but we can't know if it was a hallucination or not. So it's possible it was real experience.

There are myths in the Bible but Damascus story is not one of them. It is an anecdote or legend at most.

Myth, legend, does it really matter? It is an event that did not happen. And yes, Paul really believed that he saw Jesus. So what? There are countless people that believe their "visions". I do not see you following them.

 

[Subduction Zone]

PZ Meyers on Comfort. Now Comfort may be an idiot. Or he may be only a liar. There is no doubt that he is a liar. That can be seen with his video clips where he often has asked a different question that is answered: