Health Care and the US Elections

[PureX]

Aye, there are those who cannot see any good.
They dwell only upon imperfections, believing
that's all there is.

And of course there are those that do just the opposite, and claim that because the system sorta works, sometime, for some people that it's a perfectly acceptable system and we should all stop whining.

 

[Revoltingest]

And of course there are those....

Meh....

 

[Wu Wei]

In other words it doesn't cover a surgery to remove the cancer...but only additional kinds of care.
Which are much cheaper...so it's paradoxical that it doesn't cover the most expensive operation.

Oh for crying out loud, you are literally really getting tiresome..... DO THE DARN REASEARCH before you go off spouting half truths and propaganda... ok you want to be spoon fed...here you go...also from AI

Yes, Medicare typically covers medically necessary cancer surgery, including tumor removal, lymph node dissection, and reconstructive surgeries. Medicare covers cancer surgery through different parts of its plan:

• Part A: Covers in-hospital treatments, including surgery, chemotherapy, and radiation. Part A also covers skilled nursing facility care, hospice, and home healthcare.
• Part B: Covers medical care, such as consultations and outpatient visits, including outpatient surgery.
• Part D: Covers some chemotherapy drugs.

 

[sun rise]

Socialized fire departments are socialism, not democracy. Socialized schools are socialism, not democracy. Socialized power distribution grids are socialism, not democracy. Socialized police forces are socialism, not democracy. Socialized highway systems are socialism, not democracy.

I'm sorry, your incredibly inane point was?

<sarcasm for those who need to be told>: Yeah, let's get rid of socialized police and fire coverage. Let's have many different competing businesses.

 

[Wu Wei]

<sarcasm for those who need to be told>: Yeah, let's get rid of socialized police and fire coverage. Let's have many different competing businesses.

How are the police and fire socialized?

 

[Estro Felino]

Oh for crying out loud, you are literally really getting tiresome..... DO THE DARN REASEARCH before you go off spouting half truths and propaganda... ok you want to be spoon fed...here you go...also from AI

Yes, Medicare typically covers medically necessary cancer surgery, including tumor removal, lymph node dissection, and reconstructive surgeries. Medicare covers cancer surgery through different parts of its plan:

• Part A: Covers in-hospital treatments, including surgery, chemotherapy, and radiation. Part A also covers skilled nursing facility care, hospice, and home healthcare.
• Part B: Covers medical care, such as consultations and outpatient visits, including outpatient surgery.
• Part D: Covers some chemotherapy drugs.

...what about those who can't afford Medicare?

 

[Estro Felino]

How are the police and fire socialized?

Because they are funded by taxpayers' money.

 

[sun rise]

Interesting part about these types of hot button discussions is that everyone or at least many seem to be unaware that Medicaid exists. It is not perfect, it should be improved, and it is a great example of what happens when the US government gets involved with such things. NO need to throw the baby out with the bathwater here folks.... start from where we are in the US, Medicaid, look at it, find out what works find out what doesn't, and why it doesn't and improve it...

But no, politicians can make healthcare a hot bed topic to further devide the nation and garner votes.... no votes in standing up there saying we have a system in place, and I know it needs fixed, so I'll fix it..... better to say people are denied healthcare and we will change that...free health care for all....well.. frankly, I don't want it or need it, I will pay for my own and save the country money....

Here is a story, that could get me in trouble, but the state in which I work wanted to eliminate all of the state employee health insurance plans and go with Obama care.... but only for the employees.... the politicians who were attempting to make this decision were going to keep their state health insurance..... welcome to the reality of politics in America....

Medicaid is good as far as it goes. But there are people like @JustGeorge who can't get the care they need because they're in a gap and have no insurance for themselves.

 

[Wu Wei]

...what about those who can't afford Medicare?

IT IS A GOVENMENT PROGRAM!!!!! It helps folks find affordable health care......you have no idea what you talking about, you know that don't you... I'm done talking to you about thinks you don't understand

 

[sun rise]

Oh for crying out loud, you are literally really getting tiresome..... DO THE DARN REASEARCH before you go off spouting half truths and propaganda... ok you want to be spoon fed...here you go...also from AI

Yes, Medicare typically covers medically necessary cancer surgery, including tumor removal, lymph node dissection, and reconstructive surgeries. Medicare covers cancer surgery through different parts of its plan:

• Part A: Covers in-hospital treatments, including surgery, chemotherapy, and radiation. Part A also covers skilled nursing facility care, hospice, and home healthcare.
• Part B: Covers medical care, such as consultations and outpatient visits, including outpatient surgery.
• Part D: Covers some chemotherapy drugs.

My wife had cancer surgery and chemo afterwards with very expensive drugs. Medicare + supplemental paid for that. When she had cataract surgery, Medicare paid for that but not for the optional laser treatment that was not necessary but what we wanted because of the benefits so we paid cash for that add-on. We knew ahead of time what was covered and what was not so made our decisions accordingly rather than trying to find out details from companies that hide their policies.

 

[Wirey]

I'm *REALLY* happy with Medicare having put up with various private group insurance at places I worked. I know ahead of time what's covered. The rules are are hidden so I can find the criteria for judgement. With original Medicare I bought supplemental coverage which says that if Medicare plays they'll also pay. And so forth. I think that anyone who wants that should be able to have Medicare if they pay the full premium.

What?

I pay nothing. I used to need a bunch of prescriptions a few years ago, and monthly they cost me around $50 before I sent them to insurance, $10 after. I never paid a dime to have my head chiseled open and scooped out. No one asked if there was a cheaper way.

 

[Estro Felino]

IT IS A GOVENMENT PROGRAM!!!!! It helps folks find affordable health care......you have no idea what you talking about, you know that don't you... I'm done talking to you about thinks you don't understand

I think people's lives is more important than money...because we all will die, whereas the money will stay.
So in agony we will understand it was not worth it to let these people die.

More than 26 000 Americans die each year because of lack of health insurance

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[JustGeorge]

Medicaid is good as far as it goes. But there are people like @JustGeorge who can't get the care they need because they're in a gap and have no insurance for themselves.

While I tend to stay out of these threads, I'll add that the government acknowledges we don't have enough to afford insurance, and so gives our children Medicaid, it doesn't really matter to them if us parents are healthy; we got cut.

"You're in poverty, and we don't want your kids to get sick. However, the two of you can go to hell."

Had to have the difficult talk with my oldest a few days ago that he better hurry up and get seen for everything he wants to be seen for; once he's 19, he'll get the boot, too. (He's 18.)

Its nice to think that jobs all offer healthcare, but they sure don't.

(Hopping out of this thread now, unless anyone needs anything more.)

 

[Wu Wei]

Medicaid is good as far as it goes. But there are people like @JustGeorge who can't get the care they need because they're in a gap and have no insurance for themselves.

Yes, I think that is what I said....IMPROVE upon what we already have..... find out what is working and what isn't and why it isn't.... and FIX IT!!!!! Forcing THOUSANDS of folks who can afford healthcare into a system they don't need, and then expecting the government that is currently over 35 trillion in debt, to pay for it makes absolutely NO financial sense what-so-ever....even you must realize that.... I don't need them to pay for my insurance..... so why should they have to spend the money they DON'T have on me, or any of the thousands like me...... Spend on improving the system that exists, get coverage for those that fall though the cracks in the system.....They need the money spent on them. I do not.....

 

[Wu Wei]

I think people's lives is more important than money...because we all will die, whereas the money will stay.
So in agony we will understand it was not worth it to let these people die.

More than 26 000 Americans die each year because of lack of health insurance

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

You are clueless.... please stop responding to my posts, I no longer wish to waste my time proving you wrong and/or educating you

 

[Revoltingest]

I never paid a dime to have my head chiseled open and scooped out.

To be fair, it was a pretty easy job.

 

[Estro Felino]

The concept of socialized healthcare is that the public interest prevails over the egoistical interests.
If I have a healthy lifestyle, am vegetarian, don't smoke...I do anything so my State doesn't spend public money on my health.

If someone has to spend lots of money on insurance companies, they will feel "covered" so they won't mind eating unhealthy food...and going diabetic.

 

[sun rise]

For anyone who lives in a fact-based universe rather then spewing ignorant opinions: 6 Reasons Healthcare Is So Expensive in the U.S. One bit of information:

Administrative costs are frequently cited as a cause for excess medical spending. According to statistics, healthcare costs in the United States exceed those in other developed nations. And these costs include those related to the administration of these systems. These expenses translated to $1,055 per person in 2021.5​

 

[Wu Wei]

WOW..... how folks ignore reality and financial reality to make a point.........Over 35 trillion in debt.... would likely increase exponentially.... to cover folks who don't need the Government to give them healthcare...wow...just wow..... Oh and of course then there are those self-proclaimed experts who in reality know nothing putting in their 2 cents....

OH... and fewer doctors, more PAs, more nurse practitioners.... I'm not a fan of that actually.... but PAs and nurse practitioners make less money than doctors.....would love to see a non-politically motivated study done that did a real comparison between socialized medicine and what the US has.... but during an election year, with the current divisions in this country..... not likely to happen.... and even if it did...political zealots and politicians on both sides would yell about it and fight over it...... frankly the Republic is dead.... hope you can all live with what you got coming

 

[Estro Felino]

For anyone who lives in a fact-based universe rather then spewing ignorant opinions: 6 Reasons Healthcare Is So Expensive in the U.S. One bit of information:

Administrative costs are frequently cited as a cause for excess medical spending. According to statistics, healthcare costs in the United States exceed those in other developed nations. And these costs include those related to the administration of these systems. These expenses translated to $1,055 per person in 2021.5​

Standing ovation.