Health Care and the US Elections

[Pogo]

...what about those who can't afford Medicare?

Medicaid.

my little avacado

 

[sun rise]

..would love to see a non-politically motivated study done that did a real comparison between socialized medicine and what the US has..

Outside of misusing the word "socialized", I agree, because what many other nations have is not true "socialized" medicine where everyone works for the government.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Let’s not ignore that the United States leads the world in medical innovation and technology. There must be some reason for that, and I sometimes wonder if we go too far down the socialist route, if the United States will lose its innovative edge to the detriment of the world.

Or another possibility: in a socialized medical system, the portion of health care costs currently going to things like stock buybacks would be freed up to spend on things like stable, predictable funding for medical research.

 

[Estro Felino]

Medicaid.

my little avacado

What makes me really happy is that the Millennials and the Gen Z are mostly childless. The Gen Z almost entirely.
They don't want to produce babies in this Hellish society of greedy people cashing on people's health problems.

 

[Estro Felino]

Or another possibility: in a socialized medical system, the portion of health care costs currently going to things like stock buybacks would be freed up to spend on things like stable, predictable funding for medical research.

In a socialized healthcare system the money circulates because it is issued by the State. It doesn't end up in the pockets of greedy insurance companies.

 

[Wu Wei]

Outside of misusing the word "socialized", I agree, because what many other nations have is not true "socialized" medicine where everyone works for the government.

Yeah whatever

You never answered my question...how are the police and fire socialized

 

[Pogo]

Let’s not ignore that the United States leads the world in medical innovation and technology. There must be some reason for that, and I sometimes wonder if we go too far down the socialist route, if the United States will lose its innovative edge to the detriment of the world.

Yeah, the US government.

Who is the largest source of funding for medical research?


The National Institutes of Health is the largest public funder of biomedical research in the world.

Pharmaceutical companies take this basic research and monetize it, they only research stuff that has a large profit potential,

 

[Pogo]

I'm against insurance companies, CEOs that get wealthy while patients suffer etc. Medical innovation needs to be taken into account as you note.

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Who is the largest source of funding for medical research?


The National Institutes of Health is the largest public funder of biomedical research in the world.

 

[Kathryn]

As Americans, we are spoiled to short wait times, private or semi private rooms, etc. Many countries that offer socialized medicine also hope (or even require) that the citizens carry private insurance as well.

 

[Kathryn]

And I am no fan of private insurance, believe me.

 

[sun rise]

Yeah whatever

You never answered my question...how are the police and fire socialized

I missed the question in too many posts. They are government employees at various government levels from local to national.

 

[Wu Wei]

I missed the question in too many posts. They are government employees at various government levels from local to national.

Thank You

Not the same as socialized medicine, not even close, but OK.... and does not make the system Socialism.... but OK...... seems, at least, IMO, a silly example to use to justify socialized medicine or socialism.... But then the same could be said for the military or any city, county, municipality, state, federal government employee.... anyone receiving, unemployment or Government assistance....

 

[fantome profane]

Cons

• Increased taxes: Socialized medicine may require higher taxes.

People have to pay for healthcare regardless of what system you use, but a socialized system has been shown to be more efficient, and less expensive.

• Wait times: There may be wait times for medical procedures.

In a private system people who don't have the money or insurance that will pay for their medical procedure often choose to wait while they save up enough money, and those are the lucky ones.

• National debt: Socialized medicine may add to the national debt.

A stable reliable healthcare system is good for the economy. A healthier workforce is better for the workers, and better for the employers.

• Reduced choice: Some argue that individuals would lose some choice under socialized medicine.

Some individuals might lose some choice, but most would have expanded options. It certainly would be a more equitable system.

• Quality of care: Some fear that the quality of care would erode if doctors and nurses became government employees.

I don't see any evidence of this at all. But even if it were so, it would still increase the quality of care for the majority, who would suddenly have some access, rather than none.

 

[Watchmen]

Or another possibility: in a socialized medical system, the portion of health care costs currently going to things like stock buybacks would be freed up to spend on things like stable, predictable funding for medical research.

Why doesn’t that happen in existing socialist focused countries? Why don’t those countries lead in medical innovation?

 

[Estro Felino]

As Americans, we are spoiled to short wait times, private or semi private rooms, etc. Many countries that offer socialized medicine also hope (or even require) that the citizens carry private insurance as well.

Exactly.
The two systems can coexist perfectly.
And I can promise you that the wealthy don't go to state hospitals here.

 

[Estro Felino]

Thanatophobia is a psychiatric problem many people from rich countries have.
So they believe that some expensive efficient medical system will make them immortal.

Science has proved that immortality will never exist...and medicine can help us have a better existence...but will never make us immortals.
There is also psychiatry that can heal certain phobias.