Her name was Amber Nicole Thurman ...

[Copernicus]

Forced? FORCED?!
I am pretty sure no one held a gun to her head.
She chose to do it. You even wrote so. So which is it, forced or chose? Make up your mind. Georgia's laws didn't cause her to circumvent those same laws.

If she had stayed in Georgia, the state would have forced her to carry her pregnancy to term. Faced with that choice, she was forced to go out of state in order to end the pregnancy. You don't see her as being forced to go out of state, because you would have preferred her to stay in Georgia and have the baby. But that's your decision about how to manage her pregnancy, not hers.

If someone holds a gun to your head and demands that you hand over your money, are you forced to hand it over? Not technically, since you have a choice to accept the alternative. However, reason suggests that the thief is guilty of forcing you to hand over your money rather than allow you to keep it and your life.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

But don't pretend that you conservatives actually care about liofe and liberties. If you did you would be as passionate about universal healthcare. But you value the wealth of rich people more than the health of US citizens, so you expose your true colors there. Your only reason to be anti-abortion is because it is part of your idological identity. It has nothing to do with morals.

All you do is lie and spew hate. It’s pathetic. Go home.

 

[F1fan]

All you do is lie and spew hate. It’s pathetic. Go home.

What lies? What hate?

So you don't deny what I wrote, nor offer any rebuttal. Let me note that I am only using your own views against you, and that you get upset indicates that you realize your views are not defendable and even hypocritical. The right wants to portry themselves as moral, superior, and advocates of freedom, but the fact is your ideas lead to fewer liberties, and more misery for citizens. The right often states it wants less government and more personal responsibility, except when it applies to those affected by your agenda. When there is a school shooting, or one at a church, or concert, or a parade, there is no effrot to make it more difficult for unstable people to get access to guns. What there is is indifference to the suffering of ordinary citizens and the rigid support to a flawed interpretation of the 2nd amendment.

Thoughts and prayers for your discomfort when reading my posts.

 

[crossfire]

Well except for the million human lives lost every year to abortion.

...saved from being born into slavery

 

[SkepticThinker]

Wrong. I haven't blamed anybody. I stated facts. That isn't assigning blame. I have stated that people shouldn't judge and learn more about the case. You, on the other hand, want to blame Georgia's laws for her death. Because you do blame others, you see others casting blame when they do not. You are not in a position to assign blame. You aren't the medical examiner or coroner in this case.

I blame the overturning of Roe v. Wade for her death, along with Georgia's draconian anti-abortion laws.

This is exactly what I and others (remember the p***y hat march?) said was going to happen to women once you start taking their options away from them to decide what's best for themselves and their own damn bodies.

I blame the politicians.

You blamed the woman.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Well except for the million human lives lost every year to abortion.

Infant Deaths After Texas’ 2021 Ban on Abortion in Early Pregnancy

This cohort study of recorded infant deaths examines infant mortality after the passage of the 2021 ban on early abortions in Texas.

jamanetwork.com

Your position is not pro-life.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Forced? FORCED?!
I am pretty sure no one held a gun to her head.
She chose to do it. You even wrote so. So which is it, forced or chose? Make up your mind. Georgia's laws didn't cause her to circumvent those same laws.

Yes Forced.

She needed a medical procedure that was not available to her where she lived. In order to get it, she was forced to go to another state. What do you suggest she do instead? Just lie down and die?

Why is it that you "pro-life" people never seem to actually be concerned about the life of the woman involved?

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

What lies? What hate?

So you don't deny what I wrote, nor offer any rebuttal. Let me note that I am only using your own views against you, and that you get upset indicates that you realize your views are not defendable and even hypocritical. The right wants to portry themselves as moral, superior, and advocates of freedom, but the fact is your ideas lead to fewer liberties, and more misery for citizens. The right often states it wants less government and more personal responsibility, except when it applies to those affected by your agenda. When there is a school shooting, or one at a church, or concert, or a parade, there is no effrot to make it more difficult for unstable people to get access to guns. What there is is indifference to the suffering of ordinary citizens and the rigid support to a flawed interpretation of the 2nd amendment.

Thoughts and prayers for your discomfort when reading my posts.

No, those are not my views. Those are the lies I am talking about. You called me scum once , that is the hate I was talking about.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

...saved from being born into slavery

Yeah ok.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Infant Deaths After Texas’ 2021 Ban on Abortion in Early Pregnancy

This cohort study of recorded infant deaths examines infant mortality after the passage of the 2021 ban on early abortions in Texas.

jamanetwork.com

Your position is not pro-life.

So you would kill 55,000 human lives to save 255 human lives each year? And those additional 255 deaths can be mitigated if we understand why they happened. We can do both, stop abortion and reduce infant mortality rate. Also, that study had no answer as to why the rate went up, only that it did. We need to find out why and correct that.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

So you would kill 55,000 human lives to save 255 human lives each year?

If you consider foetuses to be human lives, what are you feelings regarding IVF, if I may ask?

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

If you consider foetuses to be human lives, what are you feelings regarding IVF, if I may ask?

What are they but human and living? I support IVF.

 

[F1fan]

No, those are not my views. Those are the lies I am talking about.

Be specific. You said I told lies. What are they?

You said I have hate. Where have I expressed that?

You called me scum once , that is the hate I was talking about.

False. I said anyone who tries to justify support for a criminal candidate that suffers from obvious mental decline and is a chronic liar is scum. You’re free to volunteer yourself into that category, and explain why my judgment is unsound.

 

[SkepticThinker]

So you would kill 55,000 human lives to save 255 human lives each year? And those additional 255 deaths can be mitigated if we understand why they happened. We can do both, stop abortion and reduce infant mortality rate. Also, that study had no answer as to why the rate went up, only that it did. We need to find out why and correct that.

I don't consider fetuses to be equal to the actual born, living and breathing human lives under discussion.
Thanks again for making my point again though. You don't care about these women. Just the fetusus.

We understand how these deaths happened: Draconian anti-abortion laws that severely restrict women's ability to properly and safely manage their own healthcare and their own bodies with their doctors!!! Instead, ignorant politicians are deciding on their behalf and it's sickening.
Why? Because nobody can access an abortion after just 6 weeks. That's barely even enough time in a lot of cases for a woman to even know she's pregnant yet. Never mind having time for proper testing and detection of abnormalities, which tend to show up later on.

Congenital abnormalities are also on the rise in Texas.
Who's going to support those parents in raising those children? Did anyone think of that? Of course not. Because ... fetuses. Republicans won't even support school lunch programs ffs.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

What are they but human and living?

Gotcha.

I support IVF.

So, you're against the killing of 55,000 human lives per year, but you support the killing of around 1.5-2 million human lives per year?

 

[F1fan]

What are they but human and living? I support IVF.

Do you support universal healthcare?

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Be specific. You said I told lies. What are they?

You said:

But don't pretend that you conservatives actually care about liofe and liberties. If you did you would be as passionate about universal healthcare. But you value the wealth of rich people more than the health of US citizens, so you expose your true colors there. Your only reason to be anti-abortion is because it is part of your idological identity. It has nothing to do with morals.

None of this is true.

You said I have hate. Where have I expressed that?

You called me scum for supporting Trump.

False. I said anyone who tries to justify support for a criminal candidate that suffers from obvious mental decline and is a chronic liar is scum. You’re free to volunteer yourself into that category, and explain why my judgment is unsound.

No, that is not what you said. You said: Trump and Vance are cruel scum, and anyone who thinks how they behave is acceptable is in the same category.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

I don't consider fetuses to be equal to the actual born, living and breathing human lives under discussion.
Thanks again for making my point again though. You don't care about these women. Just the fetusus.

That is a lie. Can you not understand protecting the unborn does not mean I hate women? That is logically flawed.

We understand how these deaths happened: Draconian anti-abortion laws that severely restrict women's ability to properly and safely manage their own healthcare and their own bodies with their doctors!!! Instead, ignorant politicians are deciding on their behalf and it's sickening.

That is not what the study said. This is emotion and is not an evidence based reason.

Congenital abnormalities are also on the rise in Texas.
Who's going to support those parents in raising those children? Did anyone think of that? Of course not. Because ... fetuses. Republicans won't even support school lunch programs ffs.

Another lie. In Texas run by republicans we have school lunch programs.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Gotcha.

Uh huh. That is all this is to you huh.

So, you're against the killing of 55,000 human lives per year, but you support the killing of around 1.5-2 million human lives per year?

No. My skin cells are human life but I am ok with them being killed when they die. What I am against is ending the growth of human life once it is started in the uterus. That human life should have the opportunity to become a grown human person. There has to be a demarcation on both sides of the issue that is not clear cut. When do you think abortions should not be done? 3rd month? beyond? Whatever you answer it can be challenged by your own standard.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Do you support universal healthcare?

What do you mean by that term?