Her name was Amber Nicole Thurman ...

[Jayhawker Soule]

Another lie. In Texas run by republicans we have school lunch programs.

And yet ...

TEXAS, USA — For some children in the U.S., school lunchtime might be the only meal they eat all day.​

To help combat this issue, the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) is offering its first-ever free summer school lunch program for participants across the country.​

​

This year, 35 states are joining the Summer Electronic Benefit Transfer program – but Texas is not one of them.​

​

According to the Texas Health and Human Services Commission, the state would not have enough time to organize the program before summertime begins.​

​

Now, the USDA says approximately 3.8 million children in Texas will miss out on the chance for $120 worth of food, per person, from grocery stores, farmers markets and other locations. [source]​

Give Texas my thanks ...

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Another lie. In Texas run by republicans we have school lunch programs.

And yet ...

TEXAS, USA — For some children in the U.S., school lunchtime might be the only meal they eat all day.​

To help combat this issue, the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) is offering its first-ever free summer school lunch program for participants across the country.​

​

This year, 35 states are joining the Summer Electronic Benefit Transfer program – but Texas is not one of them.​

​

According to the Texas Health and Human Services Commission, the state would not have enough time to organize the program before summertime begins.​

​

Now, the USDA says approximately 3.8 million children in Texas will miss out on the chance for $120 worth of food, per person, from grocery stores, farmers markets and other locations. [source]​

Give Texas my thanks ...

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

And yet ...

TEXAS, USA — For some children in the U.S., school lunchtime might be the only meal they eat all day.​

To help combat this issue, the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) is offering its first-ever free summer school lunch program for participants across the country.​

​

This year, 35 states are joining the Summer Electronic Benefit Transfer program – but Texas is not one of them.​

​

According to the Texas Health and Human Services Commission, the state would not have enough time to organize the program before summertime begins.​

​

Now, the USDA says approximately 3.8 million children in Texas will miss out on the chance for $120 worth of food, per person, from grocery stores, farmers markets and other locations. [source]​

Give Texas my thanks ...

So you agree we have a school lunch program we support.

 

[F1fan]

You said:

But don't pretend that you conservatives actually care about liofe and liberties. If you did you would be as passionate about universal healthcare. But you value the wealth of rich people more than the health of US citizens, so you expose your true colors there. Your only reason to be anti-abortion is because it is part of your idological identity. It has nothing to do with morals.

None of this is true.

You claim to care about human life, yet you prefer the life of fertilized cells, zygotes, and fetuses (who have no constitutional protections) over the rights of women (who do have constitutional rights, even though the current SCOTUS took them away). Women who suffer reproductive health issues don’t even have a right to life over fetuses that have no chance of survival due to right wing extremist laws in some red states. You have supported these laws.

And if you and other right wingers really cared about life you would support universal healthcare. Why don’t you? People die every day because they lack basic healthcare. The health of many Americans suffers due to the cost of healthcare. You can’t have it both ways.

You called me scum for supporting Trump.

False. I explained what I actually said. If you volunteer into a category of citizens that I judge harshly due to their low ethical and rational standards then you look in the mirror. Many members have written long and detailed criticisms of Trump supporters and why their integrity is questionable. You should take responsibility for your positions and reap the social consequences for them.

Let’s note that you face a great deal of criticism for your views and yet you struggle to form any coherent defense. There is only one emotionally stable candidate currently running for president. There is no doubt about this fact.

No, that is not what you said. You said: Trump and Vance are cruel scum, and anyone who thinks how they behave is acceptable is in the same category.

Can you offer a defense for anyone who supports Trump/Vance that isn’t idealistic and ignores the serious negatives?

 

[SkepticThinker]

That is a lie. Can you not understand protecting the unborn does not mean I hate women? That is logically flawed.

This was in response to, "I don't consider fetuses to be equal to the actual born, living and breathing human lives under discussion.
Thanks again for making my point again though. You don't care about these women. Just the fetusus."

Notice I didn't say you hate women. I said you don't care about them. That you care more about the fetus than the woman's life. That's evident to me in your responses on this thread in which you focus on fetuses, rather than on the born, living and breathing grown adult women.

That is not what the study said. This is emotion and is not an evidence based reason.

It does, actually.
And I'm saying it as it is literally happening before your eyes.

Another lie. In Texas run by republicans we have school lunch programs.

You know, there are many states run by Republicans.

In Texas school lunch programs are based on income and has a whole host of problems involved with it that include stigmatizing students and racking up debt for these young students. John Oliver did an entire expose on this on his show a few weeks back.

Students shouldn't have to resort to this to get some food and education:

Donate to Help me pay my lunch balance so i can graduate, organized by Liam Gardner

my name is liam gardner and i’m a senior in high school. i graduate on may… Liam Gardner needs your support for Help me pay my lunch balance so i can graduate

www.gofundme.com

Lunch Debt Centralized Hub

Across the country, community members are starting GoFundMes to continue raising awareness of school “lunch shaming” and paying off outstanding lunch debt.

www.gofundme.com

Donate to Pay off outstanding student lunch accounts, organized by Stefanie Hageman

After speaking with the Sioux City Schools director of food, currently hav… Stefanie Hageman needs your support for Pay off outstanding student lunch accounts

www.gofundme.com

GoFundMe raises over $50k to pay off school lunch debts

The Newspaper for Oklahoma Trendsetters

okcfriday.com

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

You claim to care about human life, yet you prefer the life of fertilized cells, zygotes, and fetuses (who have no constitutional protections) over the rights of women (who do have constitutional rights, even though the current SCOTUS took them away).

No, this is untrue. I care about women as well as the unborn. Why you think it has to be one or the other is weird. And no, SCOTUS did not take any rights away from women. There is no right to an abortion in the constitution so they said the states need to decide for themselves.

Women who suffer reproductive health issues don’t even have a right to life over fetuses that have no chance of survival due to right wing extremist laws in some red states. You have supported these laws.

When have I supported these laws? What laws specifically are you talking about?

And if you and other right wingers really cared about life you would support universal healthcare. Why don’t you?

I never said I didn't. Define universal health care?

False. I explained what I actually said. If you volunteer into a category of citizens that I judge harshly due to their low ethical and rational standards then you look in the mirror. Many members have written long and detailed criticisms of Trump supporters and why their integrity is questionable. You should take responsibility for your positions and reap the social consequences for them.

I do but I will not take responsibility for lies about my beliefs and why I support Trump. When I am lied about I fight back.

Let’s note that you face a great deal of criticism for your views and yet you struggle to form any coherent defense. There is only one emotionally stable candidate currently running for president. There is no doubt about this fact.

Then provide evidence for this "fact".

Can you offer a defense for anyone who supports Trump/Vance that isn’t idealistic and ignores the serious negatives?

I don't need to offer a defense for other people. They can do that themselves. I have posted my reasons for supporting Trump. If you hate me for those reasons I don't care. I care when you hate me for reasons that I don't use.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

This was in response to, "I don't consider fetuses to be equal to the actual born, living and breathing human lives under discussion.
Thanks again for making my point again though. You don't care about these women. Just the fetusus."

Notice I didn't say you hate women. I said you don't care about them. That you care more about the fetus than the woman's life. That's evident to me in your responses on this thread in which you focus on fetuses, rather than on the born, living and breathing grown adult women.

That is untrue. I care about the women. If I only talk about my one daughter to you do you assume I don't care about the other one? Your logic is flawed.

It does, actually.
And I'm saying it as it is literally happening before your eyes.

You know, there are many states run by Republicans.

In Texas school lunch programs are based on income and has a whole host of problems involved with it that include stigmatizing students and racking up debt for these young students. John Oliver did an entire expose on this on his show a few weeks back.

Students shouldn't have to resort to this to get some food and education:

Donate to Help me pay my lunch balance so i can graduate, organized by Liam Gardner

my name is liam gardner and i’m a senior in high school. i graduate on may… Liam Gardner needs your support for Help me pay my lunch balance so i can graduate

www.gofundme.com

Lunch Debt Centralized Hub

Across the country, community members are starting GoFundMes to continue raising awareness of school “lunch shaming” and paying off outstanding lunch debt.

www.gofundme.com

Donate to Pay off outstanding student lunch accounts, organized by Stefanie Hageman

After speaking with the Sioux City Schools director of food, currently hav… Stefanie Hageman needs your support for Pay off outstanding student lunch accounts

www.gofundme.com

GoFundMe raises over $50k to pay off school lunch debts

The Newspaper for Oklahoma Trendsetters

okcfriday.com

It seems like the Texas did not have enough time to implement the program. Also, children can still get food if needed:

Though not as comprehensive as Summer EBT, food insecure children still have options for food assistance during the summer. Miller told the Tribune that “kids aren’t going to get fed any less” on account of the TDA’s expansion of their Summer Meals Program. Children 18 and under are eligible to receive a free meal at their meal sites across the state.

Texas passes on $450 million summer lunch program for low-income families

The USDA estimates the families of 3.8 million children could have received $120 per child to cover summer lunches if the state participated in the new $2.5 billion program launching this summer. Texas is one of 15 states opting out.

www.texastribune.org

 

[F1fan]

What do you mean by that term?

You don’t know what universal healthcare is after decades of it being discussed in the USA?

It’s guaranteed healthcare to everyone without fear of going broke, in debt, or bankrupt.

So, are you for it or against it as someone who claims to be prolife?

 

[Copernicus]

No. My skin cells are human life but I am ok with them being killed when they die. What I am against is ending the growth of human life once it is started in the uterus. That human life should have the opportunity to become a grown human person. There has to be a demarcation on both sides of the issue that is not clear cut. When do you think abortions should not be done? 3rd month? beyond? Whatever you answer it can be challenged by your own standard.

Historically, we have not treated life inside a woman's womb as "entitled" to be brought to term and born, especially when that was not the choice of the pregnant woman. Viability (associated historically with the quickening of the pregnancy) was usually the point at with society has tended to think of as entitlement to birth, although there are exceptions--almost always for medical reasons. Roe v Wade essentially acknowledged that cutoff point, and third trimester abortions have tended to be rarer and more restricted. The anti-abortion movement has pushed back against that, making it difficult even to conduct stem cell research and give couples IVF treatments. In Florida, Trump himself pushed back against the idea of a six month exemption from abortion bans, giving his own opinion that maybe nine months would be better. He had to retract that in order to calm down some of his most angry anti-abortion supporters.

Personally, I think that the rights women had to control their own pregnancies worked out perfectly well over the past half century. Now there is chaos and confusion, thanks to the extremist Dobbs decision, which most Americans are opposed to.

 

[crossfire]

Well except for the million human lives lost every year to abortion.

...saved from being born into slavery

Yeah ok.

If you have your bodily autonomy taken from you, you are enslaved. Anyone born as a result of a forced birth is born to a slave. They are literally born into slavery.

 

[crossfire]

So you would kill 55,000 human lives to save 255 human lives each year? And those additional 255 deaths can be mitigated if we understand why they happened. We can do both, stop abortion and reduce infant mortality rate. Also, that study had no answer as to why the rate went up, only that it did. We need to find out why and correct that.

Do you really think that taking away medical decisions from doctors and their patients is going to accomplish this? If you tie the hands of medical practitioners, you can only expect that aspect of health care will revert to third-world dangerous again instead of progressing to reduce harm. That is what physicians do. Why prevent them from practicing the skills they are expert in?

 

[crossfire]

Uh huh. That is all this is to you huh.

No. My skin cells are human life but I am ok with them being killed when they die. What I am against is ending the growth of human life once it is started in the uterus. That human life should have the opportunity to become a grown human person. There has to be a demarcation on both sides of the issue that is not clear cut. When do you think abortions should not be done? 3rd month? beyond? Whatever you answer it can be challenged by your own standard.

So you are in favor of enslaving pregnant women people. Duly noted.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

You don’t know what universal healthcare is after decades of it being discussed in the USA?

See this, why the insults? People mean different things by the term, I want clarification before I agree or disagree.

It’s guaranteed healthcare to everyone without fear of going broke, in debt, or bankrupt.

What does this mean, how will it be implemented? How will it be paid for? Do you want government only healthcare or is private healthcare ok? Are we talking health insurance or healthcare?

So, are you for it or against it as someone who claims to be prolife?

Answer my questions and I will tell you what I am for. You want me to make a decision on something without defining what it is?

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

If you have your bodily autonomy taken from you, you are enslaved. Anyone born as a result of a forced birth is born to a slave. They are literally born into slavery.

No woman in the US is forced to have a child today in the US.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Do you really think that taking away medical decisions from doctors and their patients is going to accomplish this? If you tie the hands of medical practitioners, you can only expect that aspect of health care will revert to third-world dangerous again instead of progressing to reduce harm. That is what physicians do. Why prevent them from practicing the skills they are expert in?

Who is taking away medical decisions? Women can still make the decision to have an abortion in the US.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

So you are in favor of enslaving pregnant women people. Duly noted.

Just stop. No one is for enslaving women. If deadbeat father is forced to support their child by the state are they slaves now?

 

[crossfire]

Just stop. No one is for enslaving women. If deadbeat father is forced to support their child by the state are they slaves now?

If you are taking away their bodily autonomy, you are enslaving them. No one is taking away bodily autonomy from deadbeat fathers. Your effort to deflect and minimize this also duly noted.

 

[crossfire]

Who is taking away medical decisions? Women can still make the decision to have an abortion in the US.

Doctors' hands are being tied by state laws when it comes to practicing medicine in this regard..

 

[F1fan]

See this, why the insults? People mean different things by the term, I want clarification before I agree or disagree.

Universal healthcare in the USA is a well known idea. I think you try to avoid these topics by using these tactics.

What does this mean, how will it be implemented? How will it be paid for? Do you want government only healthcare or is private healthcare ok? Are we talking health insurance or healthcare?

So you are so much into politics but have no idea how this works? Looks like you are dragging your feet. I think you are avoiding answering my question here but acting so confused about the details of how it can work. Are you not aware that most all other advanced countries have this kind of healthcare system, and they pay for it through taxation?

Answer my questions and I will tell you what I am for. You want me to make a decision on something without defining what it is?

Are you this oblivious to this issue? I was giving you the benefit of the doubt that you had basic understanding of this important issue. It's been discussed on RF many dozens of times over the years.

All I want to know is if you, as a person who claims to be pro-life, supports a healthcare system that all citizens have access to it without going bankrupt, thus saving lives. I would think this is a simple enough concept for you to feel compassion and support it.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Uh huh. That is all this is to you huh.

I was just asking for your position, and you provided it.

No. My skin cells are human life but I am ok with them being killed when they die. What I am against is ending the growth of human life once it is started in the uterus.

I see. So, you're not against ending human life, you're against "ending the growth of human life once it has started in the uterus"?

That human life should have the opportunity to become a grown human person.

And why should this opportunity not extended to human life that is formed outside of a uterus?

There has to be a demarcation on both sides of the issue that is not clear cut. When do you think abortions should not be done? 3rd month? beyond? Whatever you answer it can be challenged by your own standard.

I've not put forward any position, I'm just questioning yours because I want to know more about it and understand it better. It seems odd to me that you hold embryos to be "human life" with all the rights that entails, but you don't care about the millions of embryos that are destroyed every year due as a result of IVF treatment. It seems a clear contradiction in your position.