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[angellous_evangellous]

That's what Paul is saying, in context, about these "riches."

Thanks, dopp.

 

[Frank Merton]

It's in spite of the teachings, but because of the religions supposedly based on them.

That is a good answer, but I don't know that the religions are to blame, since non-religious people are judgmental too. Probably the religions are judgmental because their members are judgmental. I think we evolved to be judgmental because it provides survival benefits and forces the members of a small community to toe the line.

This, like many of our evolved traits, has been identified and discouraged by religious geniuses, and plainly has outlived its desirability.

 

[Revoltingest]

If there's heterodoxy, is there also "homodoxy"?
Or is that just in reformed churches?

 

[angellous_evangellous]

If there's heterodoxy, is there also "homodoxy"?
Or is that just in reformed churches?

There's proto-orthodox = early churches that eventually evolve into Orthodoxy

Orthodox = theologies that stem from the great church councils

Heterodoxy = orthodox teaching mixed with heresy. I believe this is used primarily as polemic. The study of heterodoxy is heresiology (study of heresy).

So "Orthodoxy" would be the antonymn for "homodoxy."

 

[Revoltingest]

I actually understood that.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

I actually understood that.

:foryou:

 

[sandy whitelinger]

The interesting thing about Romans 1-2 is that the primary, if not the only, scripture from the NT cited to condemn homosexuality is that very same list at the end of Romans 1. In context, what Paul is saying is that if you claim that "God" will judge any of those activities as sin or profess to condemn people who do any of those things, when in fact, because of the "riches" of God's kindness and forebearance they will not be judged - then the only person who is going to be judged is YOU, for showing contempt for those riches.

Could you please show me where it Romans it say how to escape judgement.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Could you please show me where it Romans it say how to escape judgement.

(that's clearly not what he said - I suggest a thoughtful re-read)

 

[doppelganger]

Could you please show me where it Romans it say how to escape judgement.

It doesn't. It only explains how to bring judgment upon yourself.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

*kicks can*

 

[sandy whitelinger]

(that's clearly not what he said - I suggest a thoughtful re-read)

See post #72 for your thoughtful reread.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

It doesn't. It only explains how to bring judgment upon yourself.

Here is what you said in post #72:
"In context, the "riches" of "God's goodness, forbearance and longsuffering" are that you will not be judged by "God" for doing any of the things listed at the end of the prior "chapter" in this letter." Perhaps you meant something else.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

In context, the "riches" of "God's goodness, forbearance and longsuffering" are that you will not be judged by "God" for doing any of the things listed at the end of the prior "chapter" in this letter.

Jeez, sandy.

(This doesn't say it, either.)

 

[sandy whitelinger]

Jeez, sandy.

(This doesn't say it, either.)

Jeez Daddy, how is it that one is not judged for those things? Is it because of the riches of God?

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Here is what you said in post #72:
"In context, the "riches" of "God's goodness, forbearance and longsuffering" are that you will not be judged by "God" for doing any of the things listed at the end of the prior "chapter" in this letter." Perhaps you meant something else.

OK, you think the quote above means something like this:

Could you please show me where it Romans it say how to escape judgement.

But dopp says nothing about escaping judgment with the finality that you ascribe. He says that the point of Romans one does not mean that Paul is providing a list of sins for which one will be judged.

This does not mean that everyone will escape judgment in any final sort of way - just that Romans 1 is not some kind of vice list.

What you've done is just remove a fragment of the sentence and interpret it without any relationship to dopp's statement or Romans 1.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

OK, you think the quote above means something like this:



But dopp says nothing about escaping judgment with the finality that you ascribe. He says that the point of Romans one does not mean that Paul is providing a list of sins for which one will be judged.

This does not mean that everyone will escape judgment in any final sort of way - just that Romans 1 is not some kind of vice list.

What you've done is just remove a fragment of the sentence and interpret it without any relationship to dopp's statement or Romans 1.

Are there different judgements from God?

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Are there different judgements from God?

Sure.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

Sure.

Could you elaborate a little, for example what sort of judgement was being discussed in Romans 1 & 2?

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Could you elaborate a little, for example what sort of judgement was being discussed in Romans 1 & 2?

The point of Romans 1 and 2 is to show that both Gentiles and Jews are in need of the saving work of Jesus Christ. Paul is trying to theologically unite the Gentiles and Jews into one common religion under the grace of God. Since the audience is mostly Jews, he doesn't spend a whole lot of time on Gentile shortcomings, but has to devote much more material to how the Jews need the saving work of Christ in the same way.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

The point of Romans 1 and 2 is to show that both Gentiles and Jews are in need of the saving work of Jesus Christ. Paul is trying to theologically unite the Gentiles and Jews into one common religion under the grace of God. Since the audience is mostly Jews, he doesn't spend a whole lot of time on Gentile shortcomings, but has to devote much more material to how the Jews need the saving work of Christ in the same way.

So, put simply, you don't know?