Truth in love
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Not much, but we do have many laws based on unevidnaced non religious beliefs which I think is a problem.
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Heterosexual sins, adultery, fornication, etc.
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Not much, but we do have many laws based on unevidnaced non religious beliefs which I think is a problem.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Well, you have your belief and I have mine. Goodbye for now.
They hide their religion and implement it with manipulating the discourse in education. They manipulate society to their religion but won't admit it.
Take care and good luck.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
All morality is unevidenced. There are just different versions.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
I will admit it. I do my religion and you do yours.
Truth in love
Well-Known Member
I would argue differently. Murder being wrong has strong evidence as do theft and rape. Other areas are less clear cut, but I think we can find evidence for most moral concepts if we look.
Sure so no such thing as a secular society. Never has been, never will be.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Murder is wrong, because it is a wrong form of killing. The same with the others. Check and you will find, that it is wrong, because you don't like. Study some meta-ethics and how it relates to truth.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
The US is a secular society. Or at least, it is supposed to be.
This is because you see sex as an evil thing. If you a force a patient that has a problem with eating food to have food, is it evil?
The perspective that sex has no dishonor when done no matter how, will lead to conclusion, nothing wrong with rape, of any type, homosexual, bisexual, heterosexual.
What's the big deal, all trauma from rape is because society norms.
I'm letting you what is on the horizon. When Lot (a) argued with his debauched people, they said, we don't forbid you from anyone. You can have sex with anyone you want, rape anyone you want too.
What's the big deal?
Rape is only seen as wrong, because, we see it bad as being forced to have sex because of making it dirty with no objectivity.
This is where we are going if we don't put a halt to it and go back to the ways of marriage and sanctify sex.
And marriage should be made easy, you get puberty and that's it, you can marry.
Supposed to be, planned to be, and is, are all assumptions, but it's false in reality.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Well, in sociology and philosophy of religion, secular is a natural religion and not super-natural, but it is still a religion.
Not true. More conjecture.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
Secularism is a religion? Nah.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Well, it depends on how you subjectively understand religion. You and I just do that differently. That is it in the end.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
Not following a religion isn't a religion. Not by any definition.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
But all morality is in a sense religion as it is without evidence, reason, logic, proof, truth, rationality and all that, but rather a value system.
It is the demarcation between science and not science. Morality and a secular society is not science.
Now google: what is religion and stick to the academically sites. Not theists or atheists.
BrightShadow
Active Member
Also @Viker
If they make a movie based on a true historic event and you have no background knowledge of the event in question then you won't understand it properly espacially if you only watch it in bits and pieces (a few minutes and here and a few minutes there).
Similarly - without belief in God, without knowing the reason why we are here on earth, without knowing God's plan, without knowing why God isn't directly communication with you - it is normal for you to come to the conclusion you have. Of course you want proof of God's existence.
If I tell you - we deserve less than what is revealed to us and that this world is not a learning place but just a second chance at redemption for some rejects who questioned God's absolute authority then you will ask for more proofs.
Information is scattered among most religions. Seeking and finding it - is up to you!
I believe sins are to be measured directly in proportion to the damage they cause or inflict.
A heterosexual adulterer inflicting pain to his wife and immediate family and a gay priest is destroying bunch of innocent boys lives. These are all bad things!
The wife can divorce and moves on with her life or she could completely break down from the betrayal and never recover. I am sure God will look at the different outcome.
A child that was abused can recover as well or live a shameful life and become a drug addict. I am sure all outcome will come into play to measure a sin.
Now the thing is - the ratio and age of the victims (how many kids are targeted by gay men because they are easier prey and how many wives are destroyed completely with shame that their husband cheated on them?)
You are not going to see the correct ratio because many kids are not reporting their manipulators for the simple fact that they were manipulated to begin with! Which means they don't realize it until they grow up that they were manipulated and then it is too late - they themselves are homosexual by that point!
Homosexuality is directly connected to numerous child getting abused because they are the easy prey. Ask around the homosexuals that you know and if they are truthful then many of them will tell you about their early experiences that involves someone (an older gay person) messing with them when they were kids. It is a chain reaction!
Like I said - I think everything will be measured to the direct proportion of the damage it causes. A gay person who is advocating and influencing and a gay person who is discreet about his/her lifestyle and never taken advantage of kids even when they were young themselves - could be judged differently by God!
If you are somehow messing with the natural progression of God's plan or knowingly or through your example - influencing innocent children onto a path that goes against God's plan - then your act could be measured on a different scale!
BrightShadow
Active Member
If the society, social media and the movie network - let it grow then you and even kids will soon see what you already can see in gay clubs in NY, Philadelphia, San Francisco etc. If you want a preview then make a trip. It overflows onto the streets. I have witnessed it. It is not encouraging! They are not discreet about it. They are on a mission to normalize it!