Hillary says FBI, Russians, and misogyny cost her the Presidency

[Wirey]

Nothing like keeping up the skeer:

'I would be your president' if not for WikiLeaks and FBI, Clinton says

What does she hope to accomplish making statements like this? Isn't the American political divide wide enough?

 

[Quetzal]

Isn't the American political divide wide enough?

It is, but that isn't her fault. The executive branch continues to perpetuate this divide one tweet at a time.

 

[BSM1]

Actually her making a sour-grapes statement like this is a better indication as to why she is not the Prez.

 

[Quetzal]

Actually her making a sour-grapes statement like this is a better indication as to why she is not the Prez.

She should have grabbed men by the crotch. Rookie mistake.

 

[Underhill]

She's right. And yes it is sour grapes but, if anything, this is just a sign that she knows she can't run again.

 

[Augustus]

Assuming that being a widely disliked member of the widely disliked political establishment with close ties to widely disliked corporate special interests and conveying a widely disliked sense of entitlement didn't cost her any votes, she probably has a point.

 

[Falvlun]

Nothing like keeping up the skeer:

'I would be your president' if not for WikiLeaks and FBI, Clinton says

What does she hope to accomplish making statements like this? Isn't the American political divide wide enough?

Because it's true. Should we just pretend that none of these things were factors in this election?

Actually her making a sour-grapes statement like this is a better indication as to why she is not the Prez.

I can't even begin to unpack the hypocrisy of this statement, assuming you voted for / support Trump.

 

[jonathan180iq]

Listen to the whole of the interview.
She's still out of touch, which is readily apparent in that she doesn't pin her loss on her own inability to adapt to the environment of the election, but rather on outside forces. This is troublesome even for a progressive such as myself. Against a traditional candidate, she probably would have won, flaws and all. But this last election made it very clear from the beginning that it was not going to be a traditional showdown.

What she gets right is the understanding that she was well qualified and well versed in topics - It just didn't matter. It took her, and her campaign managers, far too long to adapt to that reality. Their campaign strategy shift simply didn't happen. I don't know if that's because of smugness or what, but it cost the Democrats everything.

Even with all of the blame that she would like to place elsewhere, and even with all of the baggage that she brought to the table, she still won the popular vote handily. That tells you that the problem was strategic. Not taking responsibility for that is an organizational problem and one the Democrats are simply going to have to figure out.

 

[Revoltingest]

Nothing like keeping up the skeer:

'I would be your president' if not for WikiLeaks and FBI, Clinton says

What does she hope to accomplish making statements like this? Isn't the American political divide wide enough?

Sending me to the dictionary?
Skeer.....
- Beer
- Scare
- Episcleritis seen at the corneal margins of occasional patients with tuberculous meningitis.
Obviously, it's the 3rd definition.


I don't think she understands the word, "misogyny".
People disliked & distrusted her personally.
Her being female is incidental.
(I hate her for being white, btw.)

But were her approach correct, then hating Trump would be misandry.
Silly, eh?

 

[metis]

We should remember that, even though Hillary lost the election narrowly, Trump literally blasted the Republicans in the primaries out of the water.

Generally speaking, a great many people are sick and tired of the same ol'/same ol' Washington establishment as they feel it has let them down over the last several decades, which is why Donald and Bernie did so well, even though Bernie couldn't gather enough of the minority vote to put him over Hillary.

Even though Trump is still popular with his base, he's still catering to the Washington establishment, and this might get really "old" after a few months and years because I don't really expect any breakthrough economically, especially since trickle-down economics has been proven to be only marginally effective, while at the same time ramping up the deficit.

If Elizabeth Warren decides to run in 2020, she could be that person who, like Trump and Sanders, could capture the attention of these Americans who are "fed up and we're not going to take it any more!!!".

 

[Kemosloby]

She sounds like some sort of conspiracy theorist.

 

[Revoltingest]

If Elizabeth Warren decides to run in 2020, she could be that person who, like Trump and Sanders, could capture the attention of these Americans who are "fed up and we're not going to take it any more!!!".

How is she different from the same old same old?

 

[Aupmanyav]

Hillary is history. There will be new players three year from now. Perhaps Trump again or Evanka?

 

[Polymath257]

Assuming that being a widely disliked member of the widely disliked political establishment with close ties to widely disliked corporate special interests and conveying a widely disliked sense of entitlement didn't cost her any votes, she probably has a point.

It didn't cause a problem for her opponent.

 

[metis]

What does she hope to accomplish making statements like this?

Actually this was only one area of the discussion that was being discussed, but it's the one that grabbed the headlines.

What she said is very likely true, but I wish she hadn't said it because it does come off as sour grapes. IMO, I think she should have either responded that the election is over and that we need to move on and/or just fall on the sword and blame herself.

 

[pearl]

Because it's true. Should we just pretend that none of these things were factors in this election?

They were all factors. I think the most damaging was the last minute doubt cast on her which may have nailed it for those who were only lukewarm towards her to begin with, and added to the fact that we in America have a dismal voting record. With all that there is the undeniable fact that she did win the popular vote.

 

[columbus]

They were all factors. I think the most damaging was the last minute doubt cast on her which may have nailed it for those who were only lukewarm towards her to begin with, and added to the fact that we in America have a dismal voting record. With all that there is the undeniable fact that she did win the popular vote.

Frankly, I think that the BernieBros were a really big factor. Hillary's biggest mistake may have been gifting him with a place onstage.

Tom

 

[metis]

I think the most damaging was the last minute doubt cast on her which may have nailed it for those who were only lukewarm towards her to begin with, ...

I was in Canada when our oldest daughter called me and told me what Comey had said, and my response back was that Trump was going to win-- although I felt that he was going to win all along (I live in Michigan, and I saw far more Trump/Pense signs than Clinton/Kaine signs). Many of my family and friends simply were sick and tired of hearing from the Clintons, including some that have been life-long Democrats.

Myself, I had decided to vote for Stein but ended up voting for Hillary because I felt Trump was going to surge at the end (I vote absentee).

 

[Debater Slayer]

Nothing like keeping up the skeer:

'I would be your president' if not for WikiLeaks and FBI, Clinton says

What does she hope to accomplish making statements like this? Isn't the American political divide wide enough?

Hillary Clinton strikes me as an archetypal example of why the delusions and hypocrisy of the Democratic Party allowed someone as blatantly incompetent, bigoted, and narcissistic as Trump to win the election. She's a failure and a complicit war criminal who voted for the Iraq War. Simple as that. What should happen right now is for her to disappear from the public political sphere and make room for someone who can actually be competitive in the current political climate while having integrity and honesty.

 

[Falvlun]

I don't think she understands the word, "misogyny".
People disliked & distrusted her personally.
Her being female is incidental.
(I hate her for being white, btw.)

But were her approach correct, then hating Trump would be misandry.
Silly, eh?

Saying that mysogyny was a factor doesn't mean that her being a women was the only reason for hating her, nor does it mean that if people hated her they were necessarily mysogynistic.

I think she was held to different standards than a man; she had to be just that much better in order to get the same respect men often naturally receive. I think this was apparent in some of the attacks on her, from her appearance, to her health and "fitness", to the fact that she was attacked for remaining married to a cheater (note: it wasn't that she cheated; it was that she stayed with a cheater.).

And like racism, there will be some people that simply won't vote for a woman because they believe that women shouldn't be in such a position.

We shouldn't call "racism" or "mysogyny" whenever a person of color or a woman is denied something. But that doesn't mean that actual racism and mysogyny don't exist.