Hillary says FBI, Russians, and misogyny cost her the Presidency

[BSM1]

What moronic thing has Kaine said or done?

I would also like to hear this.
I thought he would make excellent presidential material myself.
Tom

Go back and check his wishy-washy, flip-flopping as governor. As senator he's no better. I realize that everyone would see him through partisan eyes, but we in VA know better. Plus, you can never trust a politician who plays a mouth harp (or saxophone).

 

[BSM1]

It is virtually impossible for him to be worse than Snyder here in Michigan-- just ask the people of Flint.

I truly feel for the people of Flint.

 

[pearl]

My impression of Bernie was, whether you like his positions on things or not, he actually did believe in the things he was advocating. Hillary and Trump.....not so much.

They both had long public histories which PBS profiled before election. Hillary did flip flop on some issues during the campaign, but I think her goals for children, women, equality, etc. have been more or less consistent.

 

[BSM1]

But she won the popular vote. She was liked by more voters than liked Trump.

I have heard that if you subtract a few large cities in CA then I don't believe she would have.

 

[David1967]

Go back and check his wishy-washy, flip-flopping as governor. As senator he's no better. I realize that everyone would see him through partisan eyes, but we in VA know better. Plus, you can never trust a politician who plays a mouth harp (or saxophone).

You can always tell the mouth harp players by their chipped front teeth. Seriously. As to their trustworthiness? I cannot attest.

 

[BSM1]

Wienie.
You just haven't lived until you've experienced being an all purpose Satan on the internet. Everybody hates me for something.
Tom

Granted, but I'm working for that elusive Anti-Christ rating.

 

[David1967]

but I think her goals for children, women, equality, etc. have been more or less consistent.

I agree with you on this.

 

[Nous]

Go back and check his wishy-washy, flip-flopping as governor. As senator he's no better. I realize that everyone would see him through partisan eyes, but we in VA know better. Plus, you can never trust a politician who plays a mouth harp (or saxophone).

So evidently you can't name a single moronic thing Kaine has done or said.

 

[columbus]

But she won the popular vote. She was liked by more voters than liked Trump.

I don't know if it's true that she was better liked. Most people voted "Eh, whatever".

Trump did get the "Most able to manipulate the Media award". And that's what matters in modern USA. Running the game in a rigged system means you don't have to pretend to represent the electorate as a whole.
Tom

 

[Nous]

I have heard that if you subtract a few large cities in CA then I don't believe she would have.

Why would one want to subtract any votes that Clinton received--unless one's purpose is to rig the election?

 

[BSM1]

So evidently you can't name a single moronic thing Kaine has done or said.

Nope, not a one.

 

[BSM1]

Why would one want to subtract any votes that Clinton received--unless one's purpose is to rig the election?

You are missing the point and denying this elusive fact to bolster you chest-thumping contention. Show of hands, who can name the 45th president of the US?

 

[columbus]

I have heard that if you subtract a few large cities in CA then I don't believe she would have.

Disenfranchising enough voters and you could probably get Al Sharpton "elected".
Tom

 

[David1967]

Granted, but I'm working for that elusive Anti-Christ rating.

Sorry that rating is taken;

 

[BSM1]

Disenfranchising enough voters and you could probably get Al Sharpton "elected".
Tom

Hey! Let's try that next election. Should be interesting.

 

[David1967]

Hey! Let's try that next election. Should be interesting.

As silly as that sounds ,I am past the point of being surprised or shocked.

 

[metis]

I truly feel for the people of Flint.

Ditto, and there's been a couple of indictments of those in the Snyder administration, plus the FBI investigation is on-going. Snyder has already coughed up one lie when he testified, so it'll be interesting if the FBI also brings some charge(s) against him.

He tried to run the state like a business, putting money ahead of people, so the people lost.

 

[metis]

What moronic thing has Kaine said or done?

You'll have to ask BMS1 because I do not know about his record as governor. However, I doubt it could be that bad because nothing that I ever read or heard during the campaign about his record seemed to indicate incompetence.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Even with all of the blame that she would like to place elsewhere, and even with all of the baggage that she brought to the table, she still won the popular vote handily. That tells you that the problem was strategic. Not taking responsibility for that is an organizational problem and one the Democrats are simply going to have to figure out.

Definitely. Don't throw the powerhouse runner under the bus, campaign where you need to campaign, and don't run a party power-figure when an outsider is raising a storm of supporters and could have easily waltzed into the White House. I also think she really hurt herself by campaigning on social issues rather than the economy, because those who social issues appeal to are generally and mostly "safe" democrat voters, whereas the average voter is more concerned about the economy.
But I am optimistic that Trump's over-confidence will be his undoing in 2020 (along with the failure of his supporters to realize his marginal victory), not unless he gets a crew in that is going to shove truck loads of humble pie down his throat.

Saying that mysogyny was a factor doesn't mean that her being a women was the only reason for hating her, nor does it mean that if people hated her they were necessarily mysogynistic.

I do hope I don't have to try to remember all the "nuclear button, her time of the month" "jokes" that I heard throughout the campaign, and even before we had a woman on the ballot.

 

[jonathan180iq]

Definitely. Don't throw the powerhouse runner under the bus, campaign where you need to campaign, and don't run a party power-figure when an outsider is raising a storm of supporters and could have easily waltzed into the White House. I also think she really hurt herself by campaigning on social issues rather than the economy, because those who social issues appeal to are generally and mostly "safe" democrat voters, whereas the average voter is more concerned about the economy.
But I am optimistic that Trump's over-confidence will be his undoing in 2020 (along with the failure of his supporters to realize his marginal victory), not unless he gets a crew in that is going to shove truck loads of humble pie down his throat.

That's a flavor that he simply doesn't know how to digest... He's more a "double down anyway" kind of guy.