You must have different sources than I do.
I was pleasantly surprised by how little of that I heard. Hate Clinton or love Clinton or somewhere in between, her gender seemed of little importance.
Tom
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Hillary says FBI, Russians, and misogyny cost her the Presidency
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I was pleasantly surprised by how little of that I heard. Hate Clinton or love Clinton or somewhere in between, her gender seemed of little importance.
Tom
The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
Sure. That's not what they admitted to, though. Admitting in court that they were going to go to a back room and pick their candidate, regardless of what we peasants think. Regardless of the money that we donated (which they stole, for all intents and purposes.) That Hiliary was all but promised that this election would be "her turn" because she conceded to Obama in '08. Call me a "BernieBro" all you like, but I've every right to be angered at what happened, and what has been confirmed.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Really, living here is probably the only reason I like watching Real Time. I don't care much for Maher, and I think he's a lousy comedian, but it's like I get to vicariously have these intelligent conversations that are very rare and hard to find here.
I hate to break it to you Bro. But Sanders wasn't a Democrat. The only reason Clinton let him use her party apparatus was because she knew he would lose.
Oh wait. Let me back up a bit.
You do realize that political parties are private institutions, right? Not government agencies, or publically owned utilities or anything like them? That Hillary and the DNC didn't owe Sanders anything at all. That his inclusion on the stage was a total gift from a private entity he had never supported before from one of their top supporters? Clinton?
That the reason he hadn't ever run for president before is that nobody cared enough to support him on a national stage until Clinton did?
Get a grip. The DNC staff supporting Clinton is like Mcdonald's supporting hamburgers.
Tom
The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
I am very well aware of that. Yet he was running as a Democrat because our government is stuck in the mindset of the two party system. I hate to break it to you, but Hiliary didn't "let him" do anything; it's not her party to decide who get to run the race.
And yes, the quite corrupt nature of political parties became quite clear during this s**t-storm of an election. That we the peasants and chattel don't matter to those in power, nor do our opinions and voices. That does not make it right, and you are wrong to think that I believe they owed Sanders anything. They owed US the honesty and integrity of a fair system, something they claim to uphold, but ultimately failed to deliver.
I don't think it's me that needs to get a grip, tom.
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So, no, you don't grasp that the government has no say in who runs on a party platform.
That explains a lot.
Tom
Flint's problems were of their own doing.
If they hadn't utterly failed as a city (by Democrats), the state
wouldn't have had to step in to run things more efficiently.
And this is something the prior governor (a Dem) failed to do.
The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
So you're just going to keep assuming about me, tom? Okay.
Yeah actually she did. Who do you think had more say than the Clintons? Obama?
The Clintons have been solid supporters of the party for decades. Who do you think had more clout than they did?
Tom
Without links, your claims are hard to vet.
But I'm here to help.
http://www.freep.com/story/news/loc.../12/20/schuette-flint-water-charges/95644964/
Snyder did the right thing by stepping in to help Flint (unlike Jennifer
Grandmole, the Canuckistanian Democrat), but good help is hard to find.
BSM1
What? Me worry?
I understand.
averageJOE
zombie
The fact that she is still peddling these lame excuses for her embarrassing loss to the worst candidate in presidential history, months after the election, shows what we all knew all along, that she and the DNC are completely disconnected from their base.
averageJOE
zombie
This is why the DNC is doomed. Watch this clip of the debate for the DNC chair. Sam Ronan was the only one who had to guts to speak what the real problems are, and maybe Sally Brown but in the end she really has no vision either. Everyone else goes off on empty platitudes and just all out garbage. Tom Perez, who won the chair, gives the absolute worst responses on the stage. This is why Democrats got wiped out.
The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
Actually I think her last answer was one of the best ones out there. As I understood her, she was basically saying what should have happened; that the DNC needs to remove personal opinion and "party loyalty promise" from candidates, and let those who run as Democrat run their campaign.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
In regards to the Flint water crisis, the switch to getting water from the Flint River versus Lake Huron was done when Flint was under an emergency manager appointed by Snyder. Snyder himself said that he was ultimately responsible because the city did not have the power to go against the emergency manager's decision.
On top of that, the governor acted very slowly and inadequately to the situation in Flint, and he tried to justify that by possibly lying during his testimony by claiming that he didn't know there was a crisis until considerably later than when at least one of his appointees said when they told him. And then, instead of jumping in and coming to the aid of Flint, they just dragged their feet day in and day out for months, with inadequate supplies of bottled water, which in most cases weren't delivered because Snyder didn't send enough personnel in.
Anyhow, the FBI investigation continues, at least as far as I know. Meanwhile, two Snyder appointees have been removed and indicted, one EPA consultant had to resign, and one city official also has been indicted.
BTW, the lead pipes in the Lansing area, where the capitol is, were removed many years before-- but not in Flint. A civil rights commission concluded that racism was part of the cause.
For further information, here: Flint water crisis - Wikipedia This source also includes the time-line and also various legal actions, including those now in progress.
Anyhow, since this is not what the OP is about, this will be my last post on this side-bar.
On top of that, the governor acted very slowly and inadequately to the situation in Flint, and he tried to justify that by possibly lying during his testimony by claiming that he didn't know there was a crisis until considerably later than when at least one of his appointees said when they told him. And then, instead of jumping in and coming to the aid of Flint, they just dragged their feet day in and day out for months, with inadequate supplies of bottled water, which in most cases weren't delivered because Snyder didn't send enough personnel in.
Anyhow, the FBI investigation continues, at least as far as I know. Meanwhile, two Snyder appointees have been removed and indicted, one EPA consultant had to resign, and one city official also has been indicted.
BTW, the lead pipes in the Lansing area, where the capitol is, were removed many years before-- but not in Flint. A civil rights commission concluded that racism was part of the cause.
For further information, here: Flint water crisis - Wikipedia This source also includes the time-line and also various legal actions, including those now in progress.
Anyhow, since this is not what the OP is about, this will be my last post on this side-bar.
Correction.....
Second worst.
The worst would be the one who couldn't win against even an inexperienced bumbling boor like Trump.
She had it all.....destiny, favorable polls, political experience, DNC skid greasing, money....
But he ended her political life.
Is the racism which caused Flint's problems due to city leadership?
I'm surprised that you'd blame blacks & Democrats.
Another view is that what's known in some circles as the "Michigan mentality" (union
attitudes of sloth & entitlement) drove suffering auto manufacturers from the state.
Flint fell on hard times, & lacked the money to fix its earlier bad decisions to use
lead water supply pipes.
You just can't blame Snyder for this massive debacle which spans decades.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
(CNN)A government-appointed civil rights commission in Michigan says systemic racism helped to cause the Flint water crisis, according to a report released Friday...
It was an emergency manager, appointed by Gov. Rick Snyder, who had the cash-strapped city's water supply changed from Lake Huron to the Flint River in 2014 -- a decision reversed more than a year later amid reports of corroded pipes and elevated blood lead levels.
The report, which was released after a year-long investigation that followed three public hearings and took testimony from more than 150 residents and officials, says: "The people of Flint have been subjected to unprecedented harm and hardship, much of it caused by structural and systemic discrimination and racism that have corroded your city, your institutions, and your water pipes, for generations."
The allegation of racial bias against Flint is not new. At least one class-action lawsuit alleges discrimination.
"Our lawsuit alleges race discrimination in how and why the predominantly African-American population was exposed to contaminated river water while the surrounding predominantly white population continued to receive clean Detroit water," attorney Michael L. Pitt said by email.
Also advocates said last year that the residents of Flint -- 40% of whom live below the poverty line -- were the victims of "environmental racism."
"Would more have been done, and at a much faster pace, if nearly 40 percent of Flint residents were not living below the poverty line? The answer is unequivocally yes," the NAACP said in a statement in January 2016. -- Flint water crisis: Report says 'systemic racism' played role - CNNPolitics.com
It was an emergency manager, appointed by Gov. Rick Snyder, who had the cash-strapped city's water supply changed from Lake Huron to the Flint River in 2014 -- a decision reversed more than a year later amid reports of corroded pipes and elevated blood lead levels.
The report, which was released after a year-long investigation that followed three public hearings and took testimony from more than 150 residents and officials, says: "The people of Flint have been subjected to unprecedented harm and hardship, much of it caused by structural and systemic discrimination and racism that have corroded your city, your institutions, and your water pipes, for generations."
The allegation of racial bias against Flint is not new. At least one class-action lawsuit alleges discrimination.
"Our lawsuit alleges race discrimination in how and why the predominantly African-American population was exposed to contaminated river water while the surrounding predominantly white population continued to receive clean Detroit water," attorney Michael L. Pitt said by email.
Also advocates said last year that the residents of Flint -- 40% of whom live below the poverty line -- were the victims of "environmental racism."
"Would more have been done, and at a much faster pace, if nearly 40 percent of Flint residents were not living below the poverty line? The answer is unequivocally yes," the NAACP said in a statement in January 2016. -- Flint water crisis: Report says 'systemic racism' played role - CNNPolitics.com