Hindus should restart worshipping Indra

[Jainarayan]

Namaste

The śankha (शं&#2326 is very important to Lord Shrī Vishnu:

"The shankha is praised in Hindu scriptures as a giver of fame, longevity and prosperity, the cleanser of sin and the abode of Lakshmi, who is the goddess of wealth and consort of Vishnu."**

Lord Shrī Vishnu is the lavisher of wealth and prosperity as per the scriptures:

"Thou, Lord Vishnu, constant in thy courses, gifted good-will to all men, and a hymn that lasteth, that thou might move us to abundant comfort of very splendid wealth with store of horses." (R.V.7.100.2)

**James Hornell (1914). The sacred Chank of India: A monograph of the Indian Conch (Turbinella pyrum) - Online Book. The Superintendent, Government Press, Madras.

जय श्री कृष्ण

Thanks!

Btw, welcome from me also. What is your name? I don't read devanagari. True funny story (funny to me anyway)... half of our employees are Indian. My boss asked what a posted announcement written in devanagari said. I said "how should I know? I'm Hindu, doesn't mean I read devanagari!"

 

[Fireside_Hindu]

Thanks!

Btw, welcome from me also. What is your name? I don't read devanagari. True funny story (funny to me anyway)... half of our employees are Indian. My boss asked what a posted announcement written in devanagari said. I said "how should I know? I'm Hindu, doesn't mean I read devanagari!"

I can't quite make out his name, but he ended with जय श्री कृष्ण which I believe reads says, "Jaya (or Jai/Jay) Shri Krishna"

I'm learning Hindi at the moment and part of that involves some Devanagari.

 

[Jainarayan]

Great, thanks. :clap2:

 

[Kalidas]

Namaste,

That is awesome to hear. I hope Hindu Dharma can answer all the questions you will have. There is really no rigidness in this noble faith, as you may have noticed. The battle to detract your consciousness and subconsciousness from the past influence of Abrahamic thought and dogma will be hard. The world today is majority Abrahamic. Unfortunately, they have dictated globally what the notions of "God" and "religion" are supposed to be. But, in Hindu Dharma it is your own journey, as you already know. Each step will bring you closer to Shrī Kāli Mā and the other Gods and Goddesses as well. Also, please understand that polytheism isn't horrible as the Abrahamic world makes it out to be; always keep in mind what many Hindu historians and theologians have concluded: that polytheism is the greater sophistication and evolved consciousness of a contemplative as well as a creative mind.

जय श्री कृष्ण

Ever heard of Richard Dawkins? SUPER atheist wrote a lot of books. In his book "The God Delusion" he talks about hoe man has moved from polytheism to monotheism. He says he's not sure why its "better" he doesnt think it is. Me either why have less God when you can have MORE! Lol

Yeah I enjoy the whole "your own path to God I like the responsibility like I'm in control of my fate not some priest or nook written thousands o years ago.

Yeah sometime my abrahamic roots get in the way but I try not to let it.

 

[Poeticus]

I read the story. As you know that Indra causes rain. Even Rigved sys the same. Rain is essential for survival of human beings. So what was wrong if villagers of Gokul were expressing gratitude towards Indra by worshipping him ? Why did this hurt Krishna ? Was he jealous ?

You say that. Indra was full of himself. But in this situation it seems Krishna was full of pride. Does it befit any God to ask people to stop worshipping another God ?

As I am typing it is raining over here. These days the rainy season is in full swing in India. I am experiencing the manifestation of Indra in front of my eyes. It is such a wonderful feeling. I feel that Indra is close to me.

Namaste,

Lord Krishna was not jealous. A manifestation of Lord Shrī Vishnu would never be jealous of any other deity. Jealousy is an Abrahamic trait, not Indic.

You have to understand thus: the sentiment around the time the Harivamsha was written was anti-ritualism and anti-Brahmanical. As I stated earlier, this sentiment started with the Upanishadic attacks on rigid ritualism and sacrificial culturo-religion of the Vedic age in Ancient India. Since Lord Indra was a deity of that respective age, his role diminished by the time that the Govardhan story had been written. It signified that in order to be one with natural forces like rain, the sacrificers and the performers of the rituals didn't need to conduct those yajnas in repetitive fashion in order to "appease" the Gods.

The Islamic influence was damagingly vibrant by the time these Puranic stories were written. It started with the Upanishads, but expounded around post-700AD due to forceful Islamic intervention.

I hope this helped. If you have more questions, please reply and let me know. I am new here and am eager to engage in a conversation.

जय श्री कृष्ण

 

[Poeticus]

Ever heard of Richard Dawkins? SUPER atheist wrote a lot of books. In his book "The God Delusion" he talks about hoe man has moved from polytheism to monotheism. He says he's not sure why its "better" he doesnt think it is. Me either why have less God when you can have MORE! Lol

Yeah I enjoy the whole "your own path to God I like the responsibility like I'm in control of my fate not some priest or nook written thousands o years ago.

Yeah sometime my abrahamic roots get in the way but I try not to let it.

Namaste,

I have not encountered that statement by Mr. Dawkins and have yet to read his very intriguing book. It is very interesting that you bring it up.

I heard something very similar in a statement by Mr. Hitchens at a speech he was giving. It is on youtube, I believe. He stated something a long the lines of how Abraham's "God" didn't appear to the Ancient Chinese nor to the Indians in the Indus Valley. But, how that "God" had to appear in the Middle East, an area in that time period which was profoundly illiterate, backwards, and extremely oppressive. I laughed with excitement as well as admiration for this clever and witty, yet intelligent comment that was made by Mr. Hitchens. It seemed he addressed the concerns of many when he jabbed out that statement.

Here is the thing with Hinduism. Unlike Abrahamicism, Hinduism will allow a Hindu to believe 100% in Hindu mythology and Hindu philosophy while at the same time allowing the Hindu to believe 100% in Science and the facts and experiments and the results of those experiments, etc. What is taboo in "those three religions", is a source of pride in Hinduism...science is very popular amongst Hindus.

जय श्री कृष्ण

 

[Jainarayan]

a source of pride in Hinduism...science is very popular amongst Hindus.

As it should be... ancient India invented science.

 

[Poeticus]

Thanks!

Btw, welcome from me also. What is your name? I don't read devanagari. True funny story (funny to me anyway)... half of our employees are Indian. My boss asked what a posted announcement written in devanagari said. I said "how should I know? I'm Hindu, doesn't mean I read devanagari!"

Namaste, Jai-NārāyaNa-ji:

Thank you for welcoming me. I am most obliged.

Here is a breakdown of my name:

मै = mai
त्रा = trā
व = va
रुिणः = ruNi(h)**

**N = the hard "na" sound

This is the union of two Holy Gods represented as a last name of many seers and bards and Rishis of the Rig Veda, especially within the family of Lord Rishi Vasishtha.

Mitra + VaruNa = MitraVaruNa = MaitrāvaruNi

The voiceless visarga (h) at the end signifies "of Mitra-Varuni", especially in the sense of being a descendent of Lord Mitra and Lord Varuna.

Also, you are correct. To be Hindu, one does not need to acquaint oneself with the Devanāgari script nor learn the Hindi language. Christians in Korea read a Bible written in Hangul (Korean), not English. And Americans read the Bible in English, not Greek nor Hebrew. So, you are perfectly fine. It is helpful to learn the script and practice Sanskrit instead of Hindi due to reading and singing the shlokas and mantras and other hymns in its original form for vibrational patterns and harmonizing the chakras within oneself. Hindus don't call Sanskrit the 'language of the Gods' for nothing, hehe :namaste
जय श्री कृष्ण

 

[Poeticus]

Namaste,

As it should be

Yes, as they should be. Science should go hand in hand with a Hindu's religious beliefs. The two can even live in harmony. Both will conflict and contradict, but not in the dogmatic sense like the Abrahamic religions. Hindus will go about their day without any second thoughts if the moon isn't Chandradeva (even though this attribution itself is metaphorical).

... ancient India invented science.

Maybe Ancient India and Ancient China and Ancient Sumer all got a little assistance from the Gods, eh?


जय श्री कृष्ण

 

[Kalidas]

Namaste,

I have not encountered that statement by Mr. Dawkins and have yet to read his very intriguing book. It is very interesting that you bring it up.

I heard something very similar in a statement by Mr. Hitchens at a speech he was giving. It is on youtube, I believe. He stated something a long the lines of how Abraham's "God" didn't appear to the Ancient Chinese nor to the Indians in the Indus Valley. But, how that "God" had to appear in the Middle East, an area in that time period which was profoundly illiterate, backwards, and extremely oppressive. I laughed with excitement as well as admiration for this clever and witty, yet intelligent comment that was made by Mr. Hitchens. It seemed he addressed the concerns of many when he jabbed out that statement.

Here is the thing with Hinduism. Unlike Abrahamicism, Hinduism will allow a Hindu to believe 100% in Hindu mythology and Hindu philosophy while at the same time allowing the Hindu to believe 100% in Science and the facts and experiments and the results of those experiments, etc. What is taboo in "those three religions", is a source of pride in Hinduism...science is very popular amongst Hindus.

जय श्री कृष्ण

I have even heard some of the Hindu "myths" are very closely in resemblance with what we know to be in agreeance with science of today. First the creation myth if the egg cracking and all of the universe hatching from within. This sounds an awful lot like the point before the big bang when the universe was all contined in one small area and then BOOM!(or hatch). I have even heard evolution is mentioned in Hindu scripture.

The two nooks from Richard Dawkins I read are called the God delusion in which he attempts(and does a great job actually) of disproving God. Yet he focuses strongly on the personal monotheistic God, specifically the Christian God. Yet for people who believe all is God or part of God he doesn't touch (not that all Hindus believe that)


Next I read the greatest show on earth. Where he proves extremely well that evolution is as much a fact as gravity is.

 

[Jainarayan]

Namaste, Jai-NārāyaNa-ji:

Thank you for welcoming me. I am most obliged.

Here is a breakdown of my name:

मै = mai
त्रा = trā
व = va
रुिणः = ruNi(h)**

**N = the hard "na" sound

This is the union of two Holy Gods represented as a last name of many seers and bards and Rishis of the Rig Veda, especially within the family of Lord Rishi Vasishtha.

Mitra + VaruNa = MitraVaruNa = MaitrāvaruNi

The voiceless visarga (h) at the end signifies "of Mitra-Varuni", especially in the sense of being a descendent of Lord Mitra and Lord Varuna.

Also, you are correct. To be Hindu, one does not need to acquaint oneself with the Devanāgari script nor learn the Hindi language. Christians in Korea read a Bible written in Hangul (Korean), not English. And Americans read the Bible in English, not Greek nor Hebrew. So, you are perfectly fine. It is helpful to learn the script and practice Sanskrit instead of Hindi due to reading and singing the shlokas and mantras and other hymns in its original form for vibrational patterns and harmonizing the chakras within oneself. Hindus don't call Sanskrit the 'language of the Gods' for nothing, hehe :namaste
जय श्री कृष्ण

Thanks, I learned something new.

I know even less about Hindi than I do about Sanskrit, though I am learning. I've been kind of studying Sanskrit nominal inflection. I haven't gotten to verbs and sandhi (though I kind of know a sandhi when I see it). The temple is going to offer Sanskrit for beginners when they finish the community building. I can grasp the grammar (I'm a historical and comparative linguistics buff), and figure out a few transliterated words, but as I said, I can't read devanagari. For example I know that the sloka Govindam Adi Purusam tam aham bhajami is all in the accusative, "Govindam Adi Purusam tam" being the direct object of the subject/verb "aham bhajami", "I worship", the accusative ending of a masc. sing. a-stem noun being -m. I know that it's just as correct grammatically to say it in any order, because Sanskrit is inflected to a fault, but "aham bhajami tam Adi Purusam Govindam" (as in English order) doesn't quite have that poetic ring. My prayers are in Sanskrit; being a non-native speaker my accent needs work, though it's getting better, along with my metre.

Anyway, enough about me.

 

[Jainarayan]

Maybe Ancient India and Ancient China and Ancient Sumer all got a little assistance from the Gods, eh?

Well, Rigveda doesn't say ekam sat for nothing; God gets around.

 

[Jainarayan]

I have even heard some of the Hindu "myths" are very closely in resemblance with what we know to be in agreeance with science of today. First the creation myth if the egg cracking and all of the universe hatching from within. This sounds an awful lot like the point before the big bang when the universe was all contined in one small area and then BOOM!(or hatch). I have even heard evolution is mentioned in Hindu scripture.

The two nooks from Richard Dawkins I read are called the God delusion in which he attempts(and does a great job actually) of disproving God. Yet he focuses strongly on the personal monotheistic God, specifically the Christian God. Yet for people who believe all is God or part of God he doesn't touch (not that all Hindus believe that)


Next I read the greatest show on earth. Where he proves extremely well that evolution is as much a fact as gravity is.

Carl Sagan was one scientist who was completely blow away by the near pinpoint accuracy of ancient Hindu cosmology and astrophysics.

 

[Poeticus]

Namaste,

I have even heard some of the Hindu "myths" are very closely in resemblance with what we know to be in agreeance with science of today. First the creation myth if the egg cracking and all of the universe hatching from within. This sounds an awful lot like the point before the big bang when the universe was all contined in one small area and then BOOM!(or hatch). I have even heard evolution is mentioned in Hindu scripture.

It doesn't get any closer than that, eh? Also, not all Hindus believe in evolution, but the vast majority of Hindus have no problem accepting the facts and results of the scientific method. You give a Hindu enough proof, he/she will lament not having been the one to come to those proofs her/himself.

t he focuses strongly on the personal monotheistic God, specifically the Christian God.

A majority of today's atheists argue with the Abrahamics; they don't see Hinduism as a threat and understand that it has no intention of ruling the world in the oppressive means the religions of Abraham do.


जय श्री कृष्ण

 

[Poeticus]

Thanks, I learned something new.

I know even less about Hindi than I do about Sanskrit, though I am learning. I've been kind of studying Sanskrit nominal inflection. I haven't gotten to verbs and sandhi (though I kind of know a sandhi when I see it). The temple is going to offer Sanskrit for beginners when they finish the community building. I can grasp the grammar (I'm a historical and comparative linguistics buff), and figure out a few transliterated words, but as I said, I can't read devanagari. For example I know that the sloka Govindam Adi Purusam tam aham bhajami is all in the accusative, "Govindam Adi Purusam tam" being the direct object of the subject/verb "aham bhajami", "I worship", the accusative ending of a masc. sing. a-stem noun being -m. I know that it's just as correct grammatically to say it in any order, because Sanskrit is inflected to a fault, but "aham bhajami tam Adi Purusam Govindam" (as in English order) doesn't quite have that poetic ring. My prayers are in Sanskrit; being a non-native speaker my accent needs work, though it's getting better, along with my metre.

Anyway, enough about me.

Namaste,

Wow. You have blown me away. Your knowledge on Sanskrit is very expanse. Touché....touché!


जय श्री कृष्ण

 

[Poeticus]

The temple is going to offer Sanskrit for beginners when they finish the community building.

Namaste,

What temple, if I may ask? Also, which sect?

जय श्री कृष्ण

 

[Poeticus]

My prayers are in Sanskrit; being a non-native speaker my accent needs work, though it's getting better, along with my metre.

Namaste,

Yes, pronunciation is a hassle when it comes to Sanskrit; it is rule #1. I have a hard time getting the tones (anusvarā(h)) correct along with the pitches/accents (udātta, anudātta, and svarita) as it is, and I am a native speaker of an Indic language!

I think the composers of the Rig Veda wanted the Vedic Sanskrit to be non- translatable as much as possible.

जय श्री कृष्ण

 

[Kalidas]

Thanks, I learned something new.

I know even less about Hindi than I do about Sanskrit, though I am learning. I've been kind of studying Sanskrit nominal inflection. I haven't gotten to verbs and sandhi (though I kind of know a sandhi when I see it). The temple is going to offer Sanskrit for beginners when they finish the community building. I can grasp the grammar (I'm a historical and comparative linguistics buff), and figure out a few transliterated words, but as I said, I can't read devanagari. For example I know that the sloka Govindam Adi Purusam tam aham bhajami is all in the accusative, "Govindam Adi Purusam tam" being the direct object of the subject/verb "aham bhajami", "I worship", the accusative ending of a masc. sing. a-stem noun being -m. I know that it's just as correct grammatically to say it in any order, because Sanskrit is inflected to a fault, but "aham bhajami tam Adi Purusam Govindam" (as in English order) doesn't quite have that poetic ring. My prayers are in Sanskrit; being a non-native speaker my accent needs work, though it's getting better, along with my metre.

Anyway, enough about me.

Don't lie. You know your not a linguistic "buff!". You're a downright nerd! Lol

 

[Jainarayan]

Namaste,

Wow. You have blown me away. Your knowledge on Sanskrit is very expanse. Touché....touché!


जय श्री कृष्ण

Thanks!

 

[Kalidas]

Namaste,



It doesn't get any closer than that, eh? Also, not all Hindus believe in evolution, but the vast majority of Hindus have no problem accepting the facts and results of the scientific method. You give a Hindu enough proof, he/she will lament not having been the one to come to those proofs her/himself.



A majority of today's atheists argue with the Abrahamics; they don't see Hinduism as a threat and understand that it has no intention of ruling the world in the oppressive means the religions of Abraham do.


जय श्री कृष्ण

Well plus their easy to argue with lol.
But good point We Hindus are not truing to harm anyone, unlike other religions.