Holes in the trinity

[savagewind]

Jesus would say nothing that would misrepresent God his Father. We should be like that. Also, we should say nothing to misrepresent Jesus, the son.

Is it what "you will do works greater than these" mean? I don't know. It was a lightbulb in my head I thought of sharing.

 

[savagewind]

He did it for ONE. We do it for two. That's greater, isn't it?

 

[savagewind]

We don't do it for three because it is not possible to do anything for the Holy Spirit. People try, so then you know they are being selfish. It's a sign.

 

[Walkntune]

God does not say "I'd rather die than live without you". Never. People say that.Take it back. :angel2: Please

Remeber love is to sacrifice. God is love. There is no greater love than to lay down your life for another.Action speaks louder than words.Sorry no takey backs nor indian given!I believe Jesus was God and so do many others. If you say not than would Jesus still have the greater love?

 

[Walkntune]

God said that? I think the real lesson is in the end we will know human kind would rather die than live without God. How so? It is not possible for YHVH to deny righteousness. It is not possible for YHVH to die. I think you are being too poetic. Righteousness is not about feeling good. It isn't even about being loved. It is about knowing love, isn't it? It is about being love.

Much of humanity has been showing they would rather die than live with God. It seems you may be backwards there.

 

[Walkntune]

Pretty please

Sorry cant go against my convictions!

 

[BlandOatmeal]

Remeber love is to sacrifice. God is love. There is no greater love than to lay down your life for another.Action speaks louder than words.Sorry no takey backs nor indian given!I believe Jesus was God and so do many others. If you say not than would Jesus still have the greater love?

The scripture says, "We love, because he FIRST loved us". In this business of love, being first is rather important.

 

[BlandOatmeal]

Yes. I believe Jesus is God who was not trying to get man to straighten up and come to his level, but it was a true love of God reaching down and putting himself on the level of man and getting his hands dirty by embracing man in all of his dirtyness and filth and loving him sins and all and taking all of the pain of his sins upon himself and saying I love you so much I would rather die than live without you.
God is love and this is his very definition. Love has never been self seeking and is not about a God who trying to appease himself demanding righteousness from man but its about a God who longs to fellowship with man and so did not want man operating in his own knowledge of good and evil and running off behind a fig leaf because of his sins. God demanded righteousness but since man could not provide it in himself, God (love is self sacrificing) provided his own so man could still be with him.You cannot out sin God's grace and he will still come in the cool of the day and seek you out and start providing for you because this is what love does.
We use the word trinity but I believe when we are complete in the kingdom than all is one as we love God and others as ourself.

When you say "all" is one, I assume you aren't including inanimate objects, animals, etc.

 

[Walkntune]

When you say "all" is one, I assume you aren't including inanimate objects, animals, etc.

Bible does say to preach the gospel to every creature and even if we didnt worship the rocks would cry out! Has to make one ponder.....

 

[Walkntune]

The scripture says, "We love, because he FIRST loved us". In this business of love, being first is rather important.

I agree. Outside of God its impossible to love as he is love. Its not one of his attributes but its his very definition.

 

[yokomodoful]

Why are men's arguments important to you?

I take offence at that. There are TWO of uus. I knew it! They don't read my posts. Oh bother! Is it because I am a woman?:

It is a prophesy fulfilled. Many are on the broad road which leads to destruction. Few have entered through the narrow gate. I can look it up.

Arguments challenge me to speak about and defend my faith. Therefore it helps to deepen my faith. I am catching 'glimmers' of what your faith is and i am not sure exactly what your faith is, that is why it is hard for me to argue. No disrespect.

 

[savagewind]

Arguments challenge me to speak about and defend my faith. Therefore it helps to deepen my faith.

Yes, me too. You are pleased to be chalenged by dead men. I was referring to the ancient disagreement you referenced. To me it is old news.

I am catching 'glimmers' of what your faith is and i am not sure exactly what your faith is, that is why it is hard for me to argue. No disrespect.

I am not sure what Shermana believes, but if I am right about what I think he believes, I do too. You said his was the only one that you had heard like his. Mine is like his. I think.

 

[KidatHeart]

My two cents: perhaps before a unisexual God made everything, he gave birth to the child physically in Heaven.

 

[savagewind]

My two cents: perhaps before a unisexual God made everything, he gave birth to the child physically in Heaven.

Physically?

In the beginning the word was and the word was with God and the word was god.

Thought cannot happen without symbols. Words are made up of symbols. Before there was anything there was thought. The Word. The Word was with God meaning the word has power. Words do have power. (I don't know why mine don't. But it's funny and that's good enough reason for me.)

The first words for the creation were for the image of God to be created. Jesus. Jesus has been being born from the very beginning of creation. Not before. That would be God talking to God's Self. I vote that doesn't happen.

 

[savagewind]

Do you want to vote?

 

[KidatHeart]

Do you want to vote?

God talking to himself? I think that would be a wonderful thing. Funny.

 

[KidatHeart]

Physically?

In the beginning the word was and the word was with God and the word was god.

Thought cannot happen without symbols. Words are made up of symbols. Before there was anything there was thought. The Word. The Word was with God meaning the word has power. Words do have power. (I don't know why mine don't. But it's funny and that's good enough reason for me.)

The first words for the creation were for the image of God to be created. Jesus. Jesus has been being born from the very beginning of creation. Not before. That would be God talking to God's Self. I vote that doesn't happen.

Yes, physically. In Heaven. Maybe not before creation. Maybe outside of time.

(Your words DO have power.)

 

[Shermana]

Did you know that in translation of the Nicene creed that those who supported Arius favored homoiousion which means similar substance with the father and orthodox favored Patri which means consubstantial or one in being with the Father. It is your statements that caused me to seek out this information and I thank you for that. Let me ask you this: if God arbitrated which of us speaks this truth, why are there 1.2 billion catholics in the world and you are the only one I know of your faith? If you are speaking the truth then I pray that all of us are converted immediately. However, I believe that our God is best known as the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit and I pray that all those who seek the truth be converted to the truth.

I had a lengthy argument with Shiranui about the Semi-Arian compromise-concept of "Similar substance" which is much different than "Same substance". Indeed, they have a "Similar" substance, but what that exactly means is up to dispute.

I'm not quite sure why you think numerical superiority has anything to do with God arbitrating between you and I personally. Besides, very few of those 1.2 billion Catholics are actually fully practicing. For instance, 98% practice birth control, and many disregard the Pope as anything more than a figurehead. Very very few Catholics are the devout kind from the Medieval days. Besides, all this means is that there's 1.2 billion people still clinging to their traditional family or regional social structure that was culled together from use of the sword and stake for generations. I'm not quite sure what numbers have to do with the truth in this case. We're not talking about scholarly consensus or anything, and even in the case of scholarly consensus, numerity is not a guarantee of truth either. I'm talking about asking Him directly to show the one who is blasphemously wrong that He does not approve in a direct, physical way. Somehow.

There's another one who views things the way I do in this and many other regards, his name is Yeshu, you may have heard of him. I think his opinion is more important than 100 billion others.

If you don't think he does, perhaps we can ask him to arbitrate instead of going directly to the Father instead?

 

[yokomodoful]

I had a lengthy argument with Shiranui about the Semi-Arian compromise-concept of "Similar substance" which is much different than "Same substance". Indeed, they have a "Similar" substance, but what that exactly means is up to dispute.

I'm not quite sure why you think numerical superiority has anything to do with God arbitrating between you and I personally. Besides, very few of those 1.2 billion Catholics are actually fully practicing. For instance, 98% practice birth control, and many disregard the Pope as anything more than a figurehead. Very very few Catholics are the devout kind from the Medieval days. Besides, all this means is that there's 1.2 billion people still clinging to their traditional family or regional social structure that was culled together from use of the sword and stake for generations. I'm not quite sure what numbers have to do with the truth in this case. We're not talking about scholarly consensus or anything, and even in the case of scholarly consensus, numerity is not a guarantee of truth either. I'm talking about asking Him directly to show the one who is blasphemously wrong that He does not approve in a direct, physical way. Somehow.

There's another one who views things the way I do in this and many other regards, his name is Yeshu, you may have heard of him. I think his opinion is more important than 100 billion others.

If you don't think he does, perhaps we can ask him to arbitrate instead of going directly to the Father instead?

Numbers are important because each on of them represents a human soul, created by God. There may not be 1.2 billion practicing, but at least they are aware of many of the teachings of the catholic church and may become more fully engaged. The arguments that we have have were going on for almost 2000 years. I believe that God has arbitrated the truth by allowing the church to put their faith on a lampstand. Yes please pray for me and I have prayed for you that if we seek the truth with a pure heart, we will find it.

 

[Muffled]

I believe there is an unbreakble bond between the three. If that is the meaning of the trinity, then I believe it. But the trinity says the three are the same but different. I do not believe they are the same. They are different.

The same God but different bodies.