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Holes in the trinity

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yokomodoful

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Shermana said:
Then you have a very strange meaning of the word "begotten" and "proceeded". I suppose anyone can make up any definition of any word they want and rewrite things according to what they want it to mean besides its "Clear as day" meaning.
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Did you know that in translation of the Nicene creed that those who supported Arius favored homoiousion which means similar substance with the father and orthodox favored Patri which means consubstantial or one in being with the Father. It is your statements that caused me to seek out this information and I thank you for that. Let me ask you this: if God arbitrated which of us speaks this truth, why are there 1.2 billion catholics in the world and you are the only one I know of your faith? If you are speaking the truth then I pray that all of us are converted immediately. However, I believe that our God is best known as the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit and I pray that all those who seek the truth be converted to the truth.
 
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BlandOatmeal

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Walkntune said:
I ask what do you think love means? Love does not seek its own. Jesus did not save us to be servants under demand but God sent his son because he loved us
1 Corinthians 13.
Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal. 2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned,[a] but have not love, it profits me nothing.
4 Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up; 5 does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil; 6 does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth; 7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
8 Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part. 10 But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away.

In the end there is only perfect Love and all else is done away with. God is love.
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Walkntune,

I have no quarrel with your doctrine here, especially since you are pretty much quoting scripture in context.

"Love" is a catch-all word in English, describing all sorts of attractions: People "make love" by having sex; they "love" their dogs; they "love" doing crossward puzzles, and they "love" God. The Hebrew isn't much more precise; so pardon me for not even trying to answer what you asked.

What I AM interested in, is whether or not you believe Jesus is God -- as the Trinity doctrine says. I have a personal reason for wanting to know this.
 
Me Myself

Me Myself

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You say holes in the trinity as if it wasnt just one big deep messy hole.

Of wondrs of course, of wonders :D
 
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BlandOatmeal

Active Member
yokomodoful said:
Only so we can be his brother. He lowered Himself so we can be adopted sons.
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Yoko,

You impress me as being a Roman Catholic, which you claim to be. I do not accept the Trinity doctrine, but it is refreshing to see someone consistently being what he claims he is.
 
Me Myself

Me Myself

Back to my username
BlandOatmeal said:
Hi, Me

We are agreed concerning the Trinity doctrine. Do you believe Jesus is the promised Messiah?
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I believe we are all God. I dont routinely use the word messiah nor remember the literal meaning.

A lot of people may direct us to peace/God.

Its not a doctrine, its an understanding, a practice and a way of feeling/being.
 
savagewind

savagewind

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Me Myself said:
You say holes in the trinity as if it wasnt just one big deep messy hole.

Of wondrs of course, of wonders :D
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LOL. Good!

Matthew 15:14 Leave them; they are blind guides. If the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit. A pit is a big hole. :(
 
savagewind

savagewind

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yokomodoful said:
Did you know that in translation of the Nicene creed that those who supported Arius favored homoiousion which means similar substance with the father and orthodox favored Patri which means consubstantial or one in being with the Father. It is your statements that caused me to seek out this information and I thank you for that. Let me ask you this: if God arbitrated which of us speaks this truth, why are there 1.2 billion catholics in the world and you are the only one I know of your faith? If you are speaking the truth then I pray that all of us are converted immediately. However, I believe that our God is best known as the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit and I pray that all those who seek the truth be converted to the truth.
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Why are men's arguments important to you?

I take offence at that. There are TWO of uus. :( I knew it! They don't read my posts. Oh bother! Is it because I am a woman?: :)

It is a prophesy fulfilled. Many are on the broad road which leads to destruction. Few have entered through the narrow gate. I can look it up. :)
 
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Walkntune

Walkntune

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BlandOatmeal said:
Dualism, as I understand it, posits two opposing and equal divine entities. I don't believe this concept is found in Matt 25.
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Actually I believe you are very correct. The right has always been dominant over the left in scriptures as it is the righteous hand of the father where all blessings flow. It was always the right where the net was cast on the side of the boat, right hand that blessed the sons, the right eye and hand that needed to be cut out or cast away if it offended etc.....Love flows from the right hand of the father where Jesus is seated as there is no greater love than for a man to lay down his life for another. Evil will never be equal with truth and righteousness and love.
 
Walkntune

Walkntune

Well-Known Member
BlandOatmeal said:
Walkntune,

I have no quarrel with your doctrine here, especially since you are pretty much quoting scripture in context.

"Love" is a catch-all word in English, describing all sorts of attractions: People "make love" by having sex; they "love" their dogs; they "love" doing crossward puzzles, and they "love" God. The Hebrew isn't much more precise; so pardon me for not even trying to answer what you asked.

What I AM interested in, is whether or not you believe Jesus is God -- as the Trinity doctrine says. I have a personal reason for wanting to know this.
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Yes. I believe Jesus is God who was not trying to get man to straighten up and come to his level, but it was a true love of God reaching down and putting himself on the level of man and getting his hands dirty by embracing man in all of his dirtyness and filth and loving him sins and all and taking all of the pain of his sins upon himself and saying I love you so much I would rather die than live without you.
God is love and this is his very definition. Love has never been self seeking and is not about a God who trying to appease himself demanding righteousness from man but its about a God who longs to fellowship with man and so did not want man operating in his own knowledge of good and evil and running off behind a fig leaf because of his sins. God demanded righteousness but since man could not provide it in himself, God (love is self sacrificing) provided his own so man could still be with him.You cannot out sin God's grace and he will still come in the cool of the day and seek you out and start providing for you because this is what love does.
We use the word trinity but I believe when we are complete in the kingdom than all is one as we love God and others as ourself.
 
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savagewind

savagewind

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I love you so much I would rather die than live without you.
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God said that? I think the real lesson is in the end we will know human kind would rather die than live without God. How so? It is not possible for YHVH to deny righteousness. It is not possible for YHVH to die. I think you are being too poetic. Righteousness is not about feeling good. It isn't even about being loved. It is about knowing love, isn't it? It is about being love.
 
Walkntune

Walkntune

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savagewind said:
God said that? I think the real lesson is in the end we will know human kind would rather die than live without God. How so? It is not possible for YHVH to deny righteousness. It is not possible for YHVH to die. I think you are being too poetic. Righteousness is not about feeling good. It isn't even about being loved. It is about knowing love, isn't it? It is about being love.
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Read it just a little deeper instead of searching out a debate on the surface.I said its about loving( self sacrificing) and that God does demand righteousness.He has always been our provider from the beginning even as they complained and murmered the desert he provided for them.He provided the righteousness he demanded not to appease himself( as love is not self seeking) but so that we could be in his presence without running off because of our nakedness.
God is love and unless a seed dies and falls to the ground it will remain alone but if it dies it will produce much fruit.
Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.
 
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savagewind

savagewind

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Walkntune said:
Read it just a little deeper instead of searching out a debate on the surface.I said its about loving( self sacrificing) and that God does demand righteousness.He has always been our provider from the beginning even as they complained and murmered the desert he provided for them.He provided the righteousness he demanded not to appease himself( as love is not self seeking) but so that we could be in his presence.
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God does not say "I'd rather die than live without you". Never. People say that.Take it back. :angel2: Please
 
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