Holy Land and the Jews

[Harmonious]

I have matches with many Bnei Yesrael ( real descendants of Abraham) sorry I can not disclose their names, enough for me to know my real and true cousins ( Isaacs).Time will prove to you ( have a patience ).

In other words, you'll talk but prove nothing. Gotcha.

You are a dishonorable fraud who has nothing better to do than disparage Jews.

If I choose to answer you from here on out, it is not because I have anything to say to you but because I feel someone else might learn somthing.

Otherwise, I'd put you on my ignore list and be done with you.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Otherwise, I'd put you on my ignore list and be done with you.

:yes:

 

[Aabraham ben Azar]

In other words, you'll talk but prove nothing. Gotcha.

You are a dishonorable fraud who has nothing better to do than disparage Jews.

If I choose to answer you from here on out, it is not because I have anything to say to you but because I feel someone else might learn somthing.

Otherwise, I'd put you on my ignore list and be done with you.

Did I say something wrong when I said that I found my real Yesshaqi cousin ?
I am so happy that I know my real brothers "Ishmaelis" and cousins "Isaacs" after 4000 years.( just be in my position for one moment ).

 

[Aabraham ben Azar]

:yes:

Conclusion :
1)-Real Arabs "Ishmaelis" are J1c3d.
2)-Real Isaacs "Bnei Yesrael" are J1c3d.
3)- Fabricated Arabs & Jews are J2,G,R1a,T,E1b,R1b,Q...etc

 

[Aabraham ben Azar]

Sure. Prove it.

Ask the Kohanim DNA projects .

 

[beerisit]

What was Abraham's DNA and did he ever live to have DNA and how do you know?

 

[gnostic]

I like your strive , so you mean Jews are divided into three categories :
1)-Israelites : Descendants of Israel "Jacob" called : Bnei Yesrael / Children of Israel from 12 tribes (Isaacs+Israelites ).
2)-Non-Israelites : Descendants of Edomites or from other Abrahamic branches ( Isaacs or Ishmaelis but not Israelites ).
3)-Non-Israelites/Non-Isaacs / Non-Abrahamics : Descendants of Other Nations "Goyim" ( converted to Judaism forcibly or freely ).

You seemed very determine to turn this topic into race issues, aren't you?

1st, you say that Jews are not Israelites or vice versa. Now you're saying that Jews are not Semitic.

Not only you can't prove that you belong to be of Abraham's or Ishmael's descent, you can't any Arab to be a descendant of Ishmael. There are absolutely no evidences to support that the today's DNAs of Arabs and Jews came directly from Abraham or Ishmael or Isaac, for the most basic of reason - there are no DNAs of Abraham, Ishmael or Isaac - to compare the current DNAs with.

According to biblical scholars, all Semitics were descendants of Shem, who was a son of Noah, and the Qur'an doesn't dispute this. This would include all of Abraham's descendants, but not just Abraham's descendants. The Bible (OT & Tanakh) and the Qur'an are both inaccurate.

However, the terminology "Semitic" is not that simple. It is not just blood or DNA; "Semitic" also include culture(s) and languages.

In the case of Semitic languages, this (Semitic) family comprised far more than just Arabic or Hebrew. It also comprised of the Akkadian and its offshoot - Babylonian & Assyrian; the Amorite, Canaanite, Phoenician, and many others. And the ones (Semitic languages) I've mentioned don't even belong to the descendants of Shem; no they belonged to the genealogy of Ham.

Holy scriptures of any sort, are not accurate guides to history or linguistics.

 

[Aabraham ben Azar]

What was Abraham's DNA and did he ever live to have DNA and how do you know?

It's very simple , as you know in the Arab world that tribal still alive in several places specially Saudi Arabia ,Yemen ,Oman and other part of Arab countries and so many well known families still having or carrying same old names either Muslims or Christians in Syria,Lebanon,Jordan and Palestine plus Prophet's family from his cousin line Imam Ali through his two sons Hassan and Hussain ( Sayyid or Shareef) all these carry Haplogroup J1c3d ( Arab Part ).
The other part ( The Jews) specially the Kohanim who are descendants of Aharon brother of Moses( Paternal) they also carry same Haplogroup J1c3d plus other Jews in Yemen and Eastern European Jews who have documented evidence and history also carry same HG J1c3d.
So most well known Arabs and Jews are matching in 3500-4000 years.
FYI some Arabs found in Jewish group and some Jews found in Arab group. ( Do you know why ? ...guess!! )

 

[Aabraham ben Azar]

You seemed very determine to turn this topic into race issues, aren't you?

1st, you say that Jews are not Israelites or vice versa. Now you're saying that Jews are not Semitic.

Not only you can't prove that you belong to be of Abraham's or Ishmael's descent, you can't any Arab to be a descendant of Ishmael. There are absolutely no evidences to support that the today's DNAs of Arabs and Jews came directly from Abraham or Ishmael or Isaac, for the most basic of reason - there are no DNAs of Abraham, Ishmael or Isaac - to compare the current DNAs with.

According to biblical scholars, all Semitics were descendants of Shem, who was a son of Noah, and the Qur'an doesn't dispute this. This would include all of Abraham's descendants, but not just Abraham's descendants. The Bible (OT & Tanakh) and the Qur'an are both inaccurate.

However, the terminology "Semitic" is not that simple. It is not just blood or DNA; "Semitic" also include culture(s) and languages.

In the case of Semitic languages, this (Semitic) family comprised far more than just Arabic or Hebrew. It also comprised of the Akkadian and its offshoot - Babylonian & Assyrian; the Amorite, Canaanite, Phoenician, and many others. And the ones (Semitic languages) I've mentioned don't even belong to the descendants of Shem; no they belonged to the genealogy of Ham.

Holy scriptures of any sort, are not accurate guides to history or linguistics.

Please read my above reply to beersit you will find the answer to your questions .

 

[beerisit]

It's very simple , as you know in the Arab world that tribal still alive in several places specially Saudi Arabia ,Yemen ,Oman and other part of Arab countries and so many well known families still having or carrying same old names either Muslims or Christians in Syria,Lebanon,Jordan and Palestine plus Prophet's family from his cousin line Imam Ali through his two sons Hassan and Hussain ( Sayyid or Shareef) all these carry Haplogroup J1c3d ( Arab Part ).
The other part ( The Jews) specially the Kohanim who are descendants of Aharon brother of Moses( Paternal) they also carry same Haplogroup J1c3d plus other Jews in Yemen and Eastern European Jews who have documented evidence and history also carry same HG J1c3d.
So most well known Arabs and Jews are matching in 3500-4000 years.
FYI some Arabs found in Jewish group and some Jews found in Arab group. ( Do you know why ? ...guess!! )

What does any of that have to do with whether or not Noah was real or not. Since there is no evidence of a flood and Noah is the Father of everyone including Abraham, then it is highly unlikely that Noah ever existed ergo Abraham never existed nor his sons. Unless you have some verifiable DNA samples to refute my conclusions.

 

[gnostic]

Those DNAs of Arabs and Jews only prove they belong to their respective groups, not that they belong to specific biblical figures, like Ishmael or Isaac-Jacob, Abraham, Noah, Adam, etc. We don't have their DNA so such comparison can't be made.

No scientists who have done DNA on large population samples have ever wrote in their reports, like that the Jews belonged to Isaac-Jacob or the Arabs to Ishmael. There are no specific names or specific persons in their reports.

Can you provide scientific reports or findings that conclude the all DNA of Arabs actually originated with ISHMAEL himself?

Muhummad himself couldn't provide his genealogy beyond 17th ancestors, which is about roughly 450 years. While Muhammad was alive, he didn't provide any direct ancestral link to Ishmael. Those who made the links were fabricated.

Right now, you are doing nothing more than fabricating fictitious link with a race to mythological characters.

As I have mention before, I have created website (Timeless Myths), and I can't count the number of people who have email me, wanting me to help with mythological characters, like King Arthur or David. You are doing the same thing.