Homosexual is about genetic or hormons, or what ?

[Unveiled Artist]

Well actually you can watch homosexuality in terms of hereditary factors. Having gay people born to straight parents doesn't automatically make it not genetic in that sense.
Epi genetics (which admittedly is something I don't know that much about) that can influence one to be homosexual can actually "skip" your parents but then be passed onto their offspring. So like a dormant type of thing. But again I'm no biologist so I leave that to the more learned members around here to fill in the blanks.

I'll scratch my head and take your word for it. I wouldn't put it by me.

 

[SomeRandom]

I'll scratch my head and take your word for it. I wouldn't put it by me.

Well as a one lay person to another, I guess think of it like a white couple, one of which has an African American ancestor somewhere in their lineage, giving birth to a black baby. Something like that I think.

 

[Valjean]

It's all of these things: genetic, epigenetic, hormonal and cultural. All contribute to sexual orientation.

Hormones can contribute strongly, but mostly in the first trimester of development. Pregnant sheep dosed with oestrogens, for example, will reliably produce homosexual offspring. Hormones also induce epigenetic changes that can be passed down for several generations. High stress scenarios: war, famine, &c, will produce a higher ratio of gays born, as well as a lot of other medical effects.

There are cultural factors, as well. In cultures that don't discourage homosexuality people tend to develop wider orientations. In some cultures male homosexuality or bisexuality is common and accepted as normal.
See Greek and Melanesian models: http://www.mygenes.co.nz/PDFs/Ch6.pdf

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Well as a one lay person to another, I guess think of it like a white couple, one of which has an African American ancestor somewhere in their lineage, giving birth to a black baby. Something like that I think.

You better be glad I know nothing about science That sounds wrong, but I cant figure out how to tackle it because I understand your logic behind that statement, just something doesn't add up. Sexual orientation isn't quite like geneology. I could be wrong.

 

[SomeRandom]

You better be glad I know nothing about science That sounds wrong, but I cant figure out how to tackle it because I understand your logic behind that statement, just something doesn't add up. Sexual orientation isn't quite like geneology. I could be wrong.

Well I'm not saying they're the exact same thing or even comparable. Just illustrating that lineage is not always as seemingly straightforward as parents specifically give child X. Homosexuality is most likely a combination of genetics and/hormones therefore it is hereditary. But it's just complicated in general which is why I don't think Scientists will ever find a "gay gene" but at the same time that's not indicative of something not being genetic.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Well I'm not saying they're the exact same thing or even comparable. Just illustrating that lineage is not always as seemingly straightforward as parents specifically give child X. Homosexuality is most likely a combination of genetics and/hormones therefore it is hereditary. But it's just complicated in general which is why I don't think Scientists will ever find a "gay gene" but at the same time that's not indicative of something not being genetic.

I can see your point. I wouldn't know if homosexuality is more hereditary than another genetic feature we get from our parents. I guess that's what Im kinda saying.

 

[SomeRandom]

I can see your point. I wouldn't know if homosexuality is more hereditary than another genetic feature we get from our parents. I guess that's what Im kinda saying.

I'm not qualified to answer that one way or the other

 

[Godobeyer]

It's all of these things: genetic, epigenetic, hormonal and cultural. All contribute to sexual orientation.

Hormones can contribute strongly, but mostly in the first trimester of development. Pregnant sheep dosed with oestrogens, for example, will reliably produce homosexual offspring. Hormones also induce epigenetic changes that can be passed down for several generations. High stress scenarios: war, famine, &c, will produce a higher ratio of gays born, as well as a lot of other medical effects.

There are cultural factors, as well. In cultures that don't discourage homosexuality people tend to develop wider orientations. In some cultures male homosexuality or bisexuality is common and accepted as normal.
See Greek and Melanesian models: http://www.mygenes.co.nz/PDFs/Ch6.pdf

is it's confirmed by scientists it's genetic , and epigenetic? or just guess ?

I agree with hormonal and cultural influences .



I over read the document of PDF

i notice that the author said"in Arabic culture we prefer fat women , lol"
that's definitely wrong .

 

[Runewolf1973]

I have a different explanation...

This is another reason why I believe very strongly in reincarnation. Sexual preference (the way I see it) is dependent on what gender you were in your past lives. If the majority of your past lives you were female, but in this life you were born male, you will have a stronger feminine side. If the majority of your past lives you were born male, but in this life you were born female, you will have a stronger masculine side. This is why what might seem odd or unnatural to us might seem perfectly natural to
someone else...because it IS natural.

 

[rusra02]

Do you know what it's like to battle your own sexual orientation? Not sexual desires, but the sex that you feel true love for and seek permanent companionship with? Would you be able to force yourself to have sex with a member of the same sex if the shoe was on the other foot? Because, I sure couldn't. I guess I could be celibate, but I wouldn't want to force that kind of solitude on any person in the world. We all should want each other to find someone they want to spend the rest of their lives with. It's hard enough to find as it is without know-nothing know-it-alls that want to share society to their subjective beliefs.

People are different. What might offend you, might make someone else genuinely happy. We need to stop judging people and encourage this kind of companionship and commitment. Live and help others to do the same.

God's standards are what they are, and stating the truth about God's standards is not judging people. I believe the Bible can change people's thinking and desires. The Bible urges;."And stop being molded by this system of things, but be transformed by making your mind over, so that you may prove to yourselves the good and acceptable and perfect will of God." (Romans 12:2) Such a transformation, I believe, comes from coming to know and love the true God. Thus a person no longer is enslaved to conduct they formerly practiced. Without this true knowledge of God, such changes would be difficult or impossible, and would bring no lasting benefit if they were made.

 

[rusra02]

One example is Elijah confronting the Baal priests and challenging them to a test of Godship, Jehovah vs Baal. (1 Kings 18:19-40) Guess who won.

 

[leibowde84]

God's standards are what they are, and stating the truth about God's standards is not judging people. I believe the Bible can change people's thinking and desires. The Bible urges;."And stop being molded by this system of things, but be transformed by making your mind over, so that you may prove to yourselves the good and acceptable and perfect will of God." (Romans 12:2) Such a transformation, I believe, comes from coming to know and love the true God. Thus a person no longer is enslaved to conduct they formerly practiced. Without this true knowledge of God, such changes would be difficult or impossible, and would bring no lasting benefit if they were made.

Can you answer my questions though please?

 

[leibowde84]

One example is Elijah confronting the Baal priests and challenging them to a test of Godship, Jehovah vs Baal. (1 Kings 18:19-40) Guess who won.

Are you equating committed homosexual relationships with promiscuity?

 

[rusra02]

Okay so let's apply this to heterosexual couples. You brought up alcoholics before as something to avoid. Alright. Let's say a man who is a sex addict marries a woman with, oh I don't know, let's say Bi Polar of which one potential symptom is hyper sexuality. If addiction is terrible, do we help this man to overcome his sex addiction even though he is technically being sexually moral as he only has sex with his wife?

Now I question just how healthy celibacy is. Humans are after all sexual beings. They require social interaction to stay healthy. What you propose is sexual isolation for a very specific sexual attraction. But is that really healthy? God created us to have sex, that you cannot really escape, unless you're a Nun or Priest. But they chose their vocation, no one demanded it of them. Which is what you're doing with gay people. Essentially demanding that they become like Nuns or Priests even if they're not religious to begin with. You want them not to experience legitimate intimacy, love or sexual release (which is proven to be detrimental to one's health!)

Please understand these are the true God's standards and requirements, not mine. And I believe since Jehovah created us, he knows best what is good for us. And being the loving God he is, he wants us to be happy. Unfortunately, we are living a life today that is far from what God purposes for us, IMO, and we desperately need direction from him to have the happiness that eludes so many. Since God's wisdom is obviously infinitely greater than mine, I choose to accept his direction in this matter. What others do is their decision.

 

[Demonslayer]

Please understand these are the true God's standards and requirements, not mine.

The old Christian disclaimer I love it!

I don't hate f*gs, GOD hates f*gs.

I'm not judging you, only God can judge. (But I'm damn sure going to tell you about God's judgment.)

 

[leibowde84]

Please understand these are the true God's standards and requirements, not mine. And I believe since Jehovah created us, he knows best what is good for us. And being the loving God he is, he wants us to be happy. Unfortunately, we are living a life today that is far from what God purposes for us, IMO, and we desperately need direction from him to have the happiness that eludes so many. Since God's wisdom is obviously infinitely greater than mine, I choose to accept his direction in this matter. What others do is their decision.

Should people be expected to just buy into this being the "truth" without sufficient verifiable evidence? Is it reasonable for you to expect people to adhere to your BELIEF as to what God's will is and the validity of the Bible?

 

[rusra02]

Are you equating committed homosexual relationships with promiscuity?

I believe I simply stated what the Bible says concerning homosexual conduct.

 

[leibowde84]

I believe I simply stated what the Bible says concerning homosexual conduct.

Right, but committed, legally recognized homosexual relationships didn't exist at that point, so they likely weren't considered. The Bible only talks to promiscuous homosexual conduct. Not relationships. What about celibate homosexual relationships.

 

[First Baseman]

The old Christian disclaimer I love it!

I don't hate f*gs, GOD hates f*gs.

I'm not judging you, only God can judge. (But I'm damn sure going to tell you about God's judgment.)

God doesn't hate ****, He loves everyone.

The free gift of eternal life is available to all.

Homosexuality is a sin just like any other sin.

 

[rusra02]

The old Christian disclaimer I love it!

I don't hate f*gs, GOD hates f*gs.

I'm not judging you, only God can judge. (But I'm damn sure going to tell you about God's judgment.)

God does not hate homosexuals any more than he hates fornicators, thieves, drunkards, and adulterers. But he hates bad conduct and expects those who want to approach him and gain his favor to make the changes necessary to please God. (1 Corinthians 6:9,10) God helps sincere ones to make such changes. (Verse 11)