Homosexual Relationships Are Wrong

[Jaymes]

do u wanna convince me that God can accept the fact that vitro fertilization can replace the normal way of reproduction after all these ages

I think it's better phrased as "can you convince me"... though I'll ask the same question of you. Can we convince you that gays, lesbians, bisexuals, transgendered people, genderqueers, whatever label they fall under (if any at all), are just normal people who want to get on with their life without being told how they're an abomination and they're going to die early because some quack with a vendetta against queers says so?

 

[Ori]

if heterosexuality is not a necessity,we all wouldn't have been present!
u will say vitro fertilization,that was not possible before several years ago
do u wanna convince me that God can accept the fact that vitro fertilization can replace the normal way of reproduction after all these ages

God didn't even intervene when his own people, the Jews, were being gassed,burned and mutilated. Do you really think birth control is on his list of priorities?

Of course, this is only if you subscribe to the Abrahamic God.

 

[Mister_T]

if it were as simple as "i think im going to be gay" it would also be as simple to just go "i think im going to be straight from now on" - if this were true, how come the countless gay people who have been bullied, beaten up, even killed for their sexuality didn't realise it would be easier to just not be gay, and change

Exactly.

 

[Mike182]

Exactly.

seriously, it makes me want to cry reading some of the stuff thats out there, about knife attacks, beatings, abuse, towards gay people.

http://www.london-se1.co.uk/news/view.php?ArtID=755
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/4702573.stm

are two examples of where the gay people lived: this person was not so fortunate
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1830141,00.html

i know this is not a debate about homophobic attacks, but it is relivant because you say it is a choice - if it is a choice, then surely we would choose to "not" be gay

im affraid it does not work like that

 

[Pah]

u r talking about a crime(special case),i am talking about a lifestyle

What lifestyle? Name one lifestyle attribute that differs from what you do/

 

[open_mind]

1. neither is heterosexuality
2. not been proven
3. according to whom?
4. same goes for heterosexuality
5. that makes NO sense whatsoever
6. I belong to none of those religions - and I'm a woman; what men in other religions do has little bearing on my life

1-no way,i think i responded to ur vitro fertilization point
2-at least u didn't prove the opposite(that its harmless)
and thats enough for me concerning gays:
When the HIV virus first became widespread in the 1980s, baffled epidemiologists sometimes described the collective symptoms they were seeing as the 'gay disease' or 'gay cancer' because it appeared to be largely restricted to gay men. The United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention named the syndrome Gay Related Immune Deficiency (GRID). and if u wanna really know more u can make a simple search to find out the effects of homosexuality in general,because i dont wanna keep stating facts.
3-according to the Torah,Bible and Quran,i think these are 3 reliable sources
4-i said diseases in heterosexuality are cause due to multiple relationships and thats also God-forbidden,so when u talk about heterosexuality dont mention marriage
5-i gave an example for drink-driving,
some drunk drivers control their driving,some not;conclusion:all are criminals
6-i am talking about 3 religions brought by 3 great men called MOSES,JESUS AND MUHAMMED respectively,learn about them and then think again,if u still believe they were fals,their efforts were useless,their entire lives were for nothing and that they simply mean nothing to u,then its ur choice...(but plz dont argue with me after that because we will go off topic)

 

[open_mind]

God didn't even intervene when his own people, the Jews, were being gassed,burned and mutilated. Do you really think birth control is on his list of priorities?

Of course, this is only if you subscribe to the Abrahamic God.

sorry i don't understand u,whats the jews gotta do with that?

 

[Feathers in Hair]

I'm sorry- did you just actually say the Gay Related Immune Deficiency? What is your age and country of origin? Also, your native tongue?

 

[Mike182]

2-at least u didn't prove the opposite(that its harmless)
and thats enough for me concerning gays:
When the HIV virus first became widespread in the 1980s, baffled epidemiologists sometimes described the collective symptoms they were seeing as the 'gay disease' or 'gay cancer' because it appeared to be largely restricted to gay men. The United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention named the syndrome Gay Related Immune Deficiency (GRID). and if u wanna really know more u can make a simple search to find out the effects of homosexuality in general,because i dont wanna keep stating facts.

darling, i don't know about you, but i currently live in 2006, science and medicine has moved on a tad since the 1980's :biglaugh:

 

[Bishka]

darling, i don't know about you, but i currently live in 2006, science and medicine has moved on a tad since the 1980's :biglaugh:

Strange stuff.

 

[Mister_T]

seriously, it makes me want to cry reading some of the stuff thats out there, about knife attacks, beatings, abuse, towards gay people.

http://www.london-se1.co.uk/news/view.php?ArtID=755
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/4702573.stm

are two examples of where the gay people lived: this person was not so fortunate
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1830141,00.html

i know this is not a debate about homophobic attacks, but it is relivant because you say it is a choice - if it is a choice, then surely we would choose to "not" be gay

im affraid it does not work like that

I totally see where you're coming from. And you're right Mike. It doesn't work like that. And the bottom line is that the treatment that I see towards the gay community is not right. It makes me sick to my stomach hearing and seeing the kind of crap gay people have to tolerate on a day-to-day basis. I for one, won't tolerate such behavior towards a group of people. It wasn't right when people tried to oppress African-Americans, and it's not right doing it to gay people.

 

[Bastet]

if heterosexuality is not a necessity,we all wouldn't have been present!
u will say vitro fertilization,that was not possible before several years ago
do u wanna convince me that God can accept the fact that vitro fertilization can replace the normal way of reproduction after all these ages

Well, only a couple of pages ago you were trying to convince everyone that cars were a natural (and necessary) replacement to the normal way people have been getting from one place to another for "all these ages" (i.e. on foot). What's the difference? Both are relatively new inventions. :bonk: And, as has been pointed out to you before, not everyone believes in your god, so it has no relevance to the argument at hand. Try again, sunshine.

 

[Bastet]

6-i am talking about 3 religions brought by 3 great men called MOSES,JESUS AND MUHAMMED respectively,learn about them and then think again,if u still believe they were fals,their efforts were useless,their entire lives were for nothing and that they simply mean nothing to u,then its ur choice...(but plz dont argue with me after that because we will go off topic)

What (besides your supreme arrogance) makes you think that Maize has not already researched/learnt (and rejected your particular beliefs) about them? Just because someone doesn't agree with your point of view, don't automatically make the assumption that they are ignorant on the subject - unless they have demonstrated it, which Maize did not. Can't say the same for you.

 

[Quoth The Raven]

1-no way,i think i responded to ur vitro fertilization point
2-at least u didn't prove the opposite(that its harmless)
and thats enough for me concerning gays:
When the HIV virus first became widespread in the 1980s, baffled epidemiologists sometimes described the collective symptoms they were seeing as the 'gay disease' or 'gay cancer' because it appeared to be largely restricted to gay men. The United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention named the syndrome Gay Related Immune Deficiency (GRID). and if u wanna really know more u can make a simple search to find out the effects of homosexuality in general,because i dont wanna keep stating facts.

Actually, the CDC generally referred to it as either by reference to the diseases that were occuring as a result, or as KSOI. Other groups came up with GRID, AID, gay cancer, community-acquired immune disfunction and gay compromise syndrome.
All of these were floating around AFTER it was shown that other population groups were affected.
How about you work on getting your facts straight as a beginning. As you haven't actually gone out of your way to 'state facts' thus far, I don't imagine we're in grave danger of having you keep stating facts, despite your threats to the contrary.
Emulate your user name...you'll go far.

 

[Mister_T]

at least u didn't prove the opposite(that its harmless)
and thats enough for me concerning gays:

No, but people have proven that pretty much anything we do isn't harmless. Even things such as eating and driving, and heterosexual sex. Which makes your argument....um...POINTLESS. One thing you have proven wothout a doubt, is that ignorance is plentiful in present times. And that's enough for me concerning anti-gay thinking.

 

[Booko]

If there is a mass increase in these marriages/companionships AIDS will spread like a wild-fire (This is probable)

Why would allowing same-sex marriages cause HIV to spread any faster? Homosexuals are already living together and having sex, whether the state condones it or not. That's been going on for a long, long time. Pick up a copy of Kinsey somewhere.

The rate of HIV is lowest among lesbians here. Um, that would be even lower than among heteros. Maybe we should just let women marry women? (At least the bathrooms in married households would be *clean* :biglaugh

It degrades the value and order of a relationship, because if this is allowed to go on, who says something like orgies or polyamory wont be let loose?

This is a "slippery slope" argument, which means it's fallacious. Anyway, far more orgies go on among heterosexuals. (I don't suppose you were ever old enough to hang out on areas like SOBnet? Oh, nevermind...)

If there is a rapid growth of Homosexual relationships, then children will grow up to be homosexuals as well (This is also statistically probable), meaning that in the end most people will be homosexuals.

There is no evidence to support this, and a great deal of evidence to disprove it.

Homosexuality is a psychological disorder which is taken to seriously to now be called a natural and cultural thing.

Yes, and the shrinks used to say PMS was a psychological disorder too. So...uh...why should I believe what they have to say about this? (If, in fact, they're still saying it?)

AIDS is erupting worldwide because of homosexuality, endangering lives (such as the netherlands)

This is completely off the mark. The initial spread of HIV in the US, Canada and Europe was through the male homosexual vector, and then intravenous drug users.

In the rest of the world, the vector is heterosexuals. Botswana is one example, where the population has been cut in half because of HIV -- spread by heterosexuals.

I take you at your word that you have no personal animus against homosexuals, but Lord Roghen, surely you realize that when you post things so terribly far from factual as these things, it might appear otherwise?

 

[Draka]

Dead horse beating is getting nowhere on this thread. All that seems to be getting accomplished now is eye rolling monotony. Trying to correct someone who refuses to see they are in need of correction due to their own religious blinders and ignorance is not only beating the dead horse...but trying to shoe it at the same time...pointless.

 

[Quoth The Raven]

Dead horse beating is getting nowhere on this thread. All that seems to be getting accomplished now is eye rolling monotony. Trying to correct someone who refuses to see they are in need of correction due to their own religious blinders and ignorance is not only beating the dead horse...but trying to shoe it at the same time...pointless.

Oh, I dunno...unlikely to get kicked shoeing a dead horse. May have it's merits, that.

 

[Draka]

Oh, I dunno...unlikely to get kicked shoeing a dead horse. May have it's merits, that.

:biglaugh: I'll grant you that one. Why it would need shoes when dead would be a good question...but you are right...less likely to get kicked.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

its their environment, kids telling you at school that your gay just because you are different, after awhile you start to believe it,
people have to have a reason to be different, why they feel uncomfortable w others
the easiest explanation in our societies, plus there are stereotypes, how a strait guy should act, watch out if your naturally effeminate or if your a girl that hangs out with guys,

If it's already in the mind, environment won't change anything. As I already said, I was born as a Christian, and lived for 16 years that way. I always went to church three or four times a week, was always around other Christians, prayed and read the Bible everyday, and was in a "Christian environment" as much as possible. Never did I feel I was living my life right. It lead to many restless nights and terrible nightmares with a constant worry that I was going to go to Hell because I never felt the joy, peace, or confidence, even though I lived as the Bible instructs people to, was Baptised, fully believed, but it didn't feel right. I now live the way that feels right, and I found the inner peace and happyness. I am also sure, almost 100% positive, a gay person that has tried to live as a straight person can change some of the words in my story, and and have the same general description.

it is something against human nature

Define "human nature." What is "human nature." We all have diferent wants, needs, different desires. We all achieve our goals differently. We reason, think, and process information differently. With so many differences, how does one begin to even start with a guess at what is human nature.

'United States Congressional Record, June 29, 1989

Again, the government especially, will manipulate statistics to fit thier agendas. When Starbucks discovered coffee can cure and prevent a few diseases, news ancors were quick to point out it was Starbucks that found that out, and it might not be reliable. The government is very corrupt. Why does know one say "Well, money WAS involved when the government found those statistics out, so maybe we shouldn't trust them."

Sacrifice the ideals of the many for the satisfaction of a few....sounds really fair to me...

Many that would deny what also should rightfully be shared with the few sounds like oppresion to me.

its true they tracked it from africa, he was aflight attendant he went from major city to city spreading it to lover to lover, thats how it started to spread in america

Can you produce a reliable source for that? Or even guess where it came from so others can look it up?

no matter what environment you are in it will affect, every culture has their differant ideals attached to sexuality,

If that was even close to anywhere accurate for everyone, I myself would hate all gays, and let sex drive my every motive in life. But on the contrary, I defend gays, and I don't let sex control my life. EVERYONE else in my family, and even thier friends, are strongly anti-gay. Why is it then, if environment influences everything, I do not hate gays with them.

if people are screwing monkeys and sheep somewhere in the world, why did it show up in the last 50- 100 years

Because new technology helped find it, and many other diseases that are just as deadly, or deadlier, within the last 50-100 years.

GOD FORBIDS ANYTHING THAT HARMS HUMAN BEINGS
i gave u evidence that homosexuality is scientifically harmful,

What about me being an indy pro-wrestler? It definitly causes much pain, but the crowd is entertained, which makes it worthwhile to get a good response, even if I almost can't move the next morning. And then excersising will cause you to be really sore if you are just starting and vigorous workout regiment until you've been at it for a couple weeks. And then most foods today contain many things that are bad for the body. Even being in direct sunlight for too long is bad. Those lifestyles can potentially be fatal. There have been plently of wrestlers who suffered a fatal blow during a show. MANY things can go wrong while working out that can kill. Preservatives, chemicals, dyes, and many other artificial additives are in almost everything you purchase from a store. And you can look up in various sources other than Cancer-related studies to find sunlight produces UV rays, which causes cancer.

some homosexuals are fatally harmed,some are not...due to the harm caused by some...its forbidden for all,thats what i mean.

So I can't shoot a gun because the barrel might be clogged and it will blow up in my face? I can't climb a ladder to fix my roof because some people have fallen off of ladders and have been killed? I can't enjoy a cigarette occasionally because people die from it? I can't even drive my own car because driving does have the most travel related deaths? I also work at a convienence store, and people have been shot and killed working at one, so does that mean God wants me to quit? Or even have surgery to repair a damaged body part since not everyone does survive surgery?

at least u didn't prove the opposite(that its harmless)
and thats enough for me concerning gays:

Then I'll put it this way: Homosexual sex is just as safe, and just as dangerous, and hetersexual sex.

3-according to the Torah,Bible and Quran,i think these are 3 reliable sources

According to my own reliable sources, being homosexual is ok, and just as normal as being hetero.

-i gave an example for drink-driving,

Drunkeness effects everyone differently. Drunk driving is a crime because a very common effect of drunkeness is the inability to safly control anything. Alot of people can't even play a simple video game while drunk.

i am talking about 3 religions brought by 3 great men

I consider Konstantinos to be a great man. If it wasn't for him, I never would have known thier is a Dark alternative to the more mainstream religions of light, and the religious book I am writting, Occultus Nuntius, would never have started, since what I percieve to be messages from the Gods never would have been revealed to me. The Gods have said to me, that being homosexual is ok. The soul is genderless, and can live with properties generally ascribed to either gender.

why do you think he doesn't walk with man any more?

They don't listen.

Men's fashion would go out the window! Straight men NEED gay men for a reason! :faint:

What is this "fashion" you speak of? A new breed of fashcist that are produced from a gay parent?

Dead horse beating is getting nowhere on this thread. All that seems to be getting accomplished now is eye rolling monotony. Trying to correct someone who refuses to see they are in need of correction due to their own religious blinders and ignorance is not only beating the dead horse...but trying to shoe it at the same time...pointless.

Perhaps breaking the shell of hatred of one person, even if it takes awhile for them to see the hatred and ignorance, will cause a chain reaction in many in that persons social circle.