Prestor John
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So you agree that marriage should be only between a man and a woman who believe in the Christian God since Christian law dictates that marriage is only between a man and a woman?
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Homosexuality and Homosexual Marriages: Why do Christians Care?
- Thread starter Skwim
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Do tell! Almost 21 years together, raised 3 children (one of whom is a biochemist with his own family, another is a lawyer, and the third... well, she's still figuring it out); own a house; work; pay property and income taxes; support the schools and community.
I am happy to tell you that homosexuals are all around you and your family. Yep, they're the cops, firefighters, EMTs, teachers (*gasp*
), doctors, employees of every store and office you do business with. Yep, you're up to your armpits in homosexuals. Perhaps Iran would be more to your liking? You know, there are no homosexuals in Iran.
Prestor John
Well-Known Member
Even though I oppose same-sex marriage, I agree that a homosexual couple would be better off entering into that type of contract than not.
That is why I personally will celebrate with them for their happiness, but I doctrinally oppose their union.
What type of contract? You do realize of course that marriage is not a religious institution, but rather a legal contract. No clergyperson of any faith can perform a valid legal marriage in the US without a state issued marriage license. You know this, right?
Prestor John
Well-Known Member
Yes, I understand that that is what this nation has come to believe, but I do not agree with it.
I believe that marriage was instituted by God in the Garden of Eden and that Adam and Eve were the first husband and wife.
I regret the State hijacking of marriage.
TheMusicTheory
Lord of Diminished 5ths
No, because marriage pre-dates the Abrahamic religions by quite a few years (Sumerians were marrying over two thousand years before Judaism came into existence).
Oh yes, absolutely. I'm a hard core pro-lifer. I commonly annoy the knee jerk liberals by pointing out basic science like "Life cycle of a Primate". Human beings begin at conception, end at death, and when one chooses death for another it's called homicide.
In some sad cases abortion can be justifiable homicide. That's a medical problem. But when a healthy mother aborts a healthy fetal baby, that baby is being deprived of the most basic of human rights, a healthy gestation period. Without that, no other rights matter at all.
Tom
You don't have much choice, now do you?
Not everyone believes that. Those that do believe it have no right to force their beliefs on a secular nation.
It's a secular nation. No place for God in its laws.
Prestor John
Well-Known Member
Yet the Abrahamic religions still claim that the first man and the first woman had been married in the Garden of Eden.
Even though Moses did not write down the story of Adam and Eve until thousands of years after the fact, the claim is still that Adam and Eve predate any other human being on the planet, including Sumerians.
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Prestor John
Well-Known Member
Word.
Prestor John
Well-Known Member
Why are you trying to make this a matter of choice?
All I did was express my opinion. I never said anything about having a choice in the matter.
That has no bearing on my belief.
I don't remember claiming that everyone had to believe the same thing.
What belief have I advocated should be forced on anyone?
I also disagree with you about this nation being only secular.
Yet, how does my having that belief force anyone to do anything?
What are you even talking about?
When did I say that this nation should have God-given laws?
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OK, point taken. My point is that one can disagree from here to Hoboken, but it's a fait accompli.
It is a common theme among many Christians: "you can believe anything you want as long as it's Christian". Non-Christians tend to be a bit gun-shy.
God is not mentioned in the US Constitution, which is the highest law of the land. The Constitution trumps all state constitutions, and all state and federal laws. The Constitution was the basis for legalizing same sex marriage in the US. The Declaration of Independence does refer to a 'Creator', but there is nothing to indicate it is more than a deist God. Moreover, the DoI is not a law or legal document. The Treaty of Tripoli signed by President John Adams on November 4, 1796 states: "...the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion." Therefore, the US is a wholly secular nation in its foundation and laws.
Prestor John
Well-Known Member
Makes little difference to me.
Even though I disagree with "same-sex marriage" I still want homosexuals to be safe and happy.
Yeah, that still doesn't change anything for me.
I still believe that the U.S. was a nation set up by God for His righteous purposes.
I have religious reasons for believing this.
Care to provide them? If not, because they're too personal that's OK.
1robin
Christian/Baptist
I was really hoping you would not engage me on this issue again. As much as I dread punching the tar baby again and risking getting stuck I can not allow a post which mentions me to connect me with logic as flawed as that which you use.
1. My original arguments contained the fact that all sexual behaviors have some level of risk. So the thing you are pointing out was already factored into my arguments and so makes no difference what so ever.
2. Since you do not seem to understand my arguments I will give them to you one last time.
A. Homosexual acts have a much higher chance of producing devastating problems than heterosexual acts and homosexual acts do not have a level of benefits which can justify the cost.
B. heterosexual acts have a far lower chance of producing devastating problems than homosexual acts and heterosexual acts do have a level of benefits which can justify the cost.
Abortions are not in any way causally linked to heterosexual acts. Heterosexual behavior and the existence of abortions do not share any over lapping causal magisterium. A college freshmen in statistics class would know this. However despite the fact they are causally unrelated the biblical system of morality if followed would stop homosexuality's massive costs, stop convenience related abortions, and stop heterosexual acts out side of marriage virtually eliminating the cost of the absolute necessity of heterosexual acts.
It makes a unbelievably massive difference whether a person is engaged in heterosexual acts or homosexual acts. To illustrate this I would have to post such disgusting information that I refuse to do so but I will give one example. The parts of the body used in male on male sex (even if protection is used) are not designed for use in that way. The tissues involved cannot handle the wear of homosexual acts and can easily be destroyed which produces all kinds of fall out including anal cancer. Where as sex between a male and female involves parts of the body which are very well equipped to handle those acts. Another cost to this is the billions and billions in medical expenses that homosexuals demand to be paid by those that do not engage in the acts.
This is not true, a homosexual act no matter what protection is used is much more dangerous than a heterosexual act. Regardless it is a very very well established fact that homosexuals on average are far more willing to engage in unprotected sex.
It is also well established that homosexuals are far more likely to engage in sexual abuse, reckless even self abusive sexual acts, they have a significantly shorter life span, they have far more sexual partners on average, they are more likely to commit adultery, etc........
To be fair not all of these other negative aspects of homosexuality are necessarily causal in a secular context but in a theological context they are definitely related. However I was making a secular argument so no one has to allow for this last category of costs that come with homosexual acts.
Ok, that is the last time I will restate my arguments. If your going to continue with the insults and arguments by proxy at least acknowledge that you know what my arguments are.
Prestor John
Well-Known Member
No it’s cool. I honestly love sharing what I believe at any opportunity. You may regret asking! :^)
I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. We believe that the Book of Mormon is a record of an ancient people who lived somewhere on the American continents and they had the gospel of Jesus Christ among them. We also believe that their descendants are among the Native Americans today.
Nephi was a man and a prophet who lived among the group of people who had first migrated to the Americas. We claimed to had seen a vision about those who would eventually inhabit the land,
“And it came to pass that I, Nephi, beheld that the Gentiles who had gone forth out of captivity did humble themselves before the Lord; and the power of the Lord was with them.
And I beheld that their mother Gentiles were gathered together upon the waters, and upon the land also, to battle against them.
And I beheld that the power of God was with them, and also that the wrath of God was upon all those that were gathered together against them to battle.
And I, Nephi, beheld that the Gentiles that had gone out of captivity were delivered by the power of God out of the hands of all other nations.” (1 Nephi 13:16-19)
“Nevertheless, thou beholdest that the Gentiles who have gone forth out of captivity, and have been lifted up by the power of God above all other nations, upon the face of the land which is choice above all other lands, which is the land that the Lord God hath covenanted with thy father that his seed should have for the land of their inheritance; wherefore, thou seest that the Lord God will not suffer that the Gentiles will utterly destroy the mixture of thy seed, which are among thy brethren.” (1 Nephi 13:30)
https://www.lds.org/scriptures/bofm/1-ne/13?lang=eng
A simple overview:
What the Book of Mormon Teaches About America
A couple sermons on the founding and future destiny of America:
https://www.lds.org/new-era/1976/07/gods-hand-in-the-founding-of-america?lang=eng
America’s Destiny - Marion G. Romney
Interesting. Thanks.
This is not true, which @Skwim demonstrated. You can go on with your religious lies as long as you want, but you won't become any more honest than you are right now.
You can go on preaching that abortion is unrelated to heterosex and AIDS is related to homosex, but the information is out there if you ever decide to look at it.
Tom
Please back that up.
Since I am the one who usually blows you out of the water, I am not surprised that you hoped for that.
Tom