Homosexuality and Homosexual Marriages: Why do Christians Care?

[omega2xx]

Which would be equally true for homosexuals, unless (pseudo) Christians are all about promoting promiscuity in the homosexual / bisexual population. Why, from Christian perspective, would it not be better to promote marriage among non-heterosexuals if they are burning with lust?

According to God that is sin. God does not recognize homosexual marriages.

Clearly not every word in the Bible is from God, unless you go with the Progressive view that all words everywhere are from God. I'm guessing you don't. But Paul is fairly explicit about words he communicates that are not from God. I believe the "better not to marry" is example of this.

You guessed wrong again. Since God is the creator of all languages every letter in ever word is from God. Tell me how you know "better not to marry " is from Paul, not from God.

 

[1robin]

Christians like yourself causing psychological damage to the young which results in dysfunctional and self destructive behavior.
Tom

Will you ever post an argument and evidence that it is true at some point? I cannot even evaluate your bizarre arguments because you never post anything about what they are based that shows them to be true.

 

[omega2xx]

I don't think I guessed wrong, but at least I spelled right.

It is wonderful to have someone in the forum who never makes a type. Did you know bragging is pride and pride is the sin of sin.

 

[Jainarayan]

Will you ever post an argument and evidence that it is true at some point? I cannot even evaluate your bizarre arguments because you never post anything about what they are based that shows them to be true.

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[omega2xx]

So, all coherent married Christians burned with lust?

Surly you read better than that.

Jesus did not write anything.

Ciao

- viole

How do you know that?

 

[1robin]

@1robin arguments are rather like teaching that homosexuals should be stabbed. Then pointing out how much damage uncontrolled bleeding does to carpets and blaming homosexuality.
Tom

Ok Tom, that is it. I told you to quit arguing with me by proxy and I said you need to post evidence not insults. I never said anything about doing anything to homosexuals and I resent your connecting stabbing anyone with my forum name. I could very easily appeal to the Forum staff about your violating one of their primary requirements but I am not as petty and sensationalistic as you apparently are. I am putting you on ignore and so I will not see your trivial reply, so you needn't bother. God help the homosexual community if you are the best they can find to defend them.

 

[columbus]

Will you ever post an argument and evidence that it is true at some point? I cannot even evaluate your bizarre arguments because you never post anything about what they are based that shows them to be true.

Post #593 pointed out that the huge majority of AIDS cases have no connection to homosex. There is information about what does in the Wikipedia article.
Feel free to educate yourself. Or don't. I've been posting with you for years and I don't expect you to change. You could surprise me.
Tom

 

[columbus]

Ok Tom, that is it. I told you to quit arguing with me by proxy and I said you need to post evidence not insults. I never said anything about doing anything to homosexuals and I resent your connecting stabbing anyone with my forum name. I could very easily appeal to the Forum staff about your violating one of their primary requirements but I am not as petty and sensationalistic as you apparently are. I am putting you on ignore and so I will not see your trivial reply, so you needn't bother. God help the homosexual community if you are the best they can find to defend them.

Perhaps you and Saint Frank and Jay want to start a club.
Tom

 

[omega2xx]

Ok Tom, that is it. I told you to quit arguing with me by proxy and I said you need to post evidence not insults. I never said anything about doing anything to homosexuals and I resent your connecting stabbing anyone with my forum name. I could very easily appeal to the Forum staff about your violating one of their primary requirements but I am not as petty and sensationalistic as you apparently are. I am putting you on ignore and so I will not see your trivial reply, so you needn't bother. God help the homosexual community if you are the best they can find to defend them.

When people can't defend their position, they resort to insulting comments. Keep up the good work

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

If you find nothing wrong with 4% of the population creating over 60% of new aids cases in the US, nothing wrong with the fact that homosexual life spans are significantly lower than heterosexual life spans, nothing wrong with the higher rates of sexual assault, nothing wrong with massively higher rates of promiscuity, higher rates of unsafe sex, and higher rates of adultery within the homosexual community, etc...... then pray tell me what it is you do consider wrong? If your moral compass is off that far then there exists no common ground to debate these issues.

You do realize that the existence of LGBT people isn't at issue here, right?

When it comes to same-sex marriage, the only available options are:

- LGBT people have relationships, and have the option of legally marrying. What each church does is up to them.
- LGBT people have relationships, and can't legally marry. What each church does is up to them.

That's it. From a religious perspective, the only real question is whether God prefers gay sex to be between legally single partners or partners in a civil marriage.

The only way I can see to link any of your arguments to the actual issue is like this:

- the existence of gay people offends you
- therefore, you want to make them as unhappy as possible.
- since same-sex marriage makes the couples in it happy, you're against it.

Am I wrong?

 

[1robin]

Um. Sexual orientation has nothing to do with these things. Any straight, gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender, and so forth have the capability to commit promiscuity, crimes, and abuse. For some reason, I always hear on the news a heterosexual has abused someone. It could be a priest, who are required to be heterosexual to be a priest, to your everyday Jo Smo.

That is probably why I have said over and over again I was referring to homosexual behavior as it concerns sex and not about who anyone finds attractive.

I can go out and make out with a guy now and still be homosexual.

What on earth are you talking about, what you said is incoherent.

Tell me how sexual orientation=murder?

No, because I never said that to begin with.

I'm literally scratching my head now.

Fine, please do not respond to me in the future. I am getting tired of looking for someone to post a challenging argument in defense of homosexuality and seldom seeing one, and you definitely don't see like your going to post one and so I am going to cull my nuts earlier.


If you want to see what a rational argument is, probably the only person who will get close then watch me and Skeptical thinker discuss the issue.

 

[1robin]

It's not like you actually care about the homosexuals in question, or you'd be talking about ways to reduce those numbers in a practical way, not a 'homosexuality is icky, I don't like it and it should stop' way. Which even your lauded CDC doesn't do, and instead proposes real ways to help (and also reaches out to other minorities with higher mortality, violence, lower life spans and higher HIV cases like blacks and Hispanics, showing a conclusive and undeniable truth that minority status can and does effect these numbers. Stigma and Discrimination | Gay and Bisexual Men's Health | CDC https://www.cdc.gov/actagainstaids/pdf/campaigns/lsht/cdc-hiv-togetherstigmafactsheet.pdf Latinos | Race/Ethnicity | HIV by Group | HIV/AIDS | CDC)
In the discussion of concussions, reduced lifespans and higher amounts of cognitive disability due to injuries in football, you'd be that guy saying 'I don't like football, football is risky so we should just ban it to protect players.'
And while you're at it, you're treating HIV/AIDS as this big bad boogeymonster to try and scare or shame gays away from homosexuality when in actual fact, the CDC is doing no such thing. It highly encourages prevention through testing and correct application of barrier methods, but also works to destigmatize people living with HIV, as the majority of people living with HIV in first world countries will, in fact, are not significantly lower than national average Gay life expectancy revisited (showing outdated data predicts a much larger gap than currently exists) HIV, the basics - How long will I live? Longer life expectancy for HIV-positive people in North America
By these numbers you should care more about people living with obesity than people living with HIV, and care more about recklessly lacking exercise and proper diet than people engaging in risky sexual behavior. And I wonder if your arguments will change at all on the inevitable day where we find a retroviral fighting agent that makes HIV pretty much inconsequential. I wouldn't be surprise if the answer is: Try to find some other way to stigmatize homosexuality, because your reasons for disliking it have no connection to their physical or emotional health and wellbeing.

Good lord man. My looking for someone to present we with a good argument in defense of homosexuality, or to just understand my own arguments before they reply, has gone depressingly unfulfilled. Let me respond to a few of your points and then make a suggestion.

I most certainly do care about homosexuals. I am friends with every homosexual I have ever been around more than a couple of times plus it is what I am commanded to do by the God I believe in. Not that even if I did not like homosexuals could you possibly know it. I resent your suggesting otherwise and if you do not cease from insulting me based on what you could not possibly know this discussion will end in a hurry.

Never mind, I am not going to bother with you when you start a discussion in the despicable way you have.

The only bone I will throw you is to suggest you stop talking to me and instead watch me debate SkepticalThinker in the next day or two to learn how to debate this issue. If you keep posting to me before you first withdraw the insults you coughed up in your first post to me here it will be a very one sided conversation.

 

[Jainarayan]

What on earth are you talking about, what you said is incoherent.

It is quite coherent indeed. To not see that is to show a grave misunderstanding, or rather, a non-understanding of what homosexuality is and is not.

 

[1robin]

I don't have to. It's unnecessary. Homosexuality takes up too much room in some people's heads. You opened the door to a bizarre world of misinformation based on religion in post 218 Homosexuality and Homosexual Marriages: Why do Christians Care?

My statistics came from the CDC, which religion are they again? Since it seems you readily admit the obvious fact that you can't or won't put forward a challenging argument for homosexuality and that is the primary reason I am here then we have nothing further to discuss in this thread.

 

[Jainarayan]

put forward a challenging argument for homosexuality

An argument for something which is, does not need to be made. You really, honestly, truly think that we make a choice to be attracted to members of our own sex, don't you? Actually, I've heard that for so long - "it's a choice" - that it doesn't surprise me. But no, it's not a choice. And while it may be a choice (for anyone) whether to have sex or not, why should I be deprived of physical pleasure just because YOU don't think it's proper? My Gods, what effrontery, temerity and hubris! Nor do I care what your God thinks of it, because I don't report to him. I'm not even convinced he exists as you envision him, or that he even really cares, much as you'd like him to.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Good lord man. My looking for someone to present we with a good argument in defense of homosexuality, or to just understand my own arguments before they reply, has gone depressingly unfulfilled. Let me respond to a few of your points and then make a suggestion.

I most certainly do care about homosexuals. I am friends with every homosexual I have ever been around more than a couple of times plus it is what I am commanded to do by the God I believe in. Not that even if I did not like homosexuals could you possibly know it. I resent your suggesting otherwise and if you do not cease from insulting me based on what you could not possibly know this discussion will end in a hurry.

Never mind, I am not going to bother with you when you start a discussion in the despicable way you have.

The only bone I will throw you is to suggest you stop talking to me and instead watch me debate SkepticalThinker in the next day or two to learn how to debate this issue. If you keep posting to me before you first withdraw the insults you coughed up in your first post to me here it will be a very one sided conversation.

If you think it's despicable that, because of your posting history, I doubt the genuineness of your concern for homosexual people, that's your problem. I doubt the claims of altruism of people who focus around these issues in disingenuous ways (re: ignoring social stigmatization impacting the numbers, ignoring that none of their health sources are telling gay people to 'stop being gay' and instead providing constructive health advice, exaggerating the seriousness of HIV and thereby alienating people who are HIV pos for no good reason, and talking about homosexual behavior as if it were the most pressing issue facing the population and even the gay population here--hint, it's still depression, suicide, heart disease and cancer). And especially think anyone who insinuates 'I like all my gay friends I just think they're going to hell' are really not friends. If you don't like it, you sure don't need to respond to me. But there was plenty of sources there that addressed your prior posts and 'concerns' about homosexual behavior. Take them or leave them.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

If you find nothing wrong with 4% of the population creating over 60% of new aids cases in the US, nothing wrong with the fact that homosexual life spans are significantly lower than heterosexual life spans, nothing wrong with the higher rates of sexual assault, nothing wrong with massively higher rates of promiscuity, higher rates of unsafe sex, and higher rates of adultery within the homosexual community, etc...... then pray tell me what it is you do consider wrong?

Sounds to me like we need to start actually teaching sex ed in high school, rather than pretend there is a possible way to make teens not have it.

 

[1robin]

I'd have to go with #2, for obvious reasons, I think. I don't think quoting scripture to unbelievers would be very productive.

I'm so sorry I haven't responded to your other post yet. My weekend turned out to be crazier than I expected. Christmastime tends to do that to my life.

Sorry, but I am posting to so many people at such a pace that the reasons I asked you to pick between the two types of arguments I mentioned is so many posts ago that I cannot remember when or who it was that I wanted to see your choice. I think it was someone who suggested I use arguments from God instead of from the CDC. Go figure.

I have run out of patience with the lack argumentation I have been given so far and the ease to which those who defend homosexuality will resort to sarcasm instead of evidence. I am in the process of ending every debate I am having in this thread except for those with you and one other poster so maybe others can get some ideas as to how to better defend the homosexual community. So take your time but please put forth an argument as challenging as I know you can.

 

[1robin]

If you think it's despicable that, because of your posting history, I doubt the genuineness of your concern for homosexual people, that's your problem. I doubt the claims of altruism of people who focus around these issues in disingenuous ways (re: ignoring social stigmatization impacting the numbers, ignoring that none of their health sources are telling gay people to 'stop being gay' and instead providing constructive health advice, exaggerating the seriousness of HIV and thereby alienating people who are HIV pos for no good reason, and talking about homosexual behavior as if it were the most pressing issue facing the population and even the gay population here--hint, it's still depression, suicide, heart disease and cancer). And especially think anyone who insinuates 'I like all my gay friends I just think they're going to hell' are really not friends. If you don't like it, you sure don't need to respond to me. But there was plenty of sources there that addressed your prior posts and 'concerns' about homosexual behavior. Take them or leave them.

Very well then, since you cannot stop misrepresenting everything I say, will not take back the unjustifiable insults which even if true you have no way what so ever to even know it, and since I see no evidence that even once you run out of insults and misrepresentations you will ever post a meaningful or challenging argument I decline to have a discussion with you about homosexuality. If you ever hope to discuss another subject with me then you ought to stop responding to me and take a nap or something for a while.

 

[columbus]

Sounds to me like we need to start actually teaching sex ed in high school, rather than pretend there is a possible way to make teens not have it.

Also statistics and logic.
Maybe then people like @1robin could distinguish between correlation and causation.
Tom