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Homosexuality and religious.

loverofhumanity

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
CG Didymus said:
Okay, why is it wrong? And what should we do about it? Telling them to stop doing it isn't going to work. Should we fine them? Have them fixed? Throw them in jail? Even having them killed didn't stop them. So, if we're not going to stop them, what do we do? Give up and accept them? God forbid. I know, just let them carry on and we'll keep telling them that they are evil sinners and going to hell. Oh yeah, Christians tried that already, and that didn't work either. What do we do?

Wait, Baha'u'llah has the answer. He's the great physician that knows how to cure all the ills of society. Yes, therapy, or get married to a person of the opposite sex or live every day for the rest of your life without sex. But that's for gay Baha'is only. What do we do with the growing gay community? They must be stopped. They are a bad influence on "normal" society. What should we do?
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The world goes it’s way. We go our way making a new way of life. There won’t be any gambling casinos or strip clubs or alcohol served in Baha’i societies of the future and homosexuality will not be promoted as a way of life. But today the world goes it’s way. That’s their business not ours. We are creating a new world based on Baha’u’llah’s teachings.

It is not our purpose to impose Bahá'í teachings upon others by persuading the powers that be to enact laws enforcing Bahá'í principles, nor to join movements which have such legislation as their aim. The guidance that Bahá'í institutions offer to mankind does not comprise a series of specific answers to current problems, but rather the illumination of an entirely new way of life." (House of Justice)
 
CG Didymus

CG Didymus

Veteran Member
dybmh said:
Or it's cultural appropriation when the titles given are from another group's scripture?
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And that how it goes. And I know that you know this, but it's meant for the Baha'is. Christians say they know the real interpretation of the Jewish Scriptures. Then Islam knows the real interpretation of the Christian Scriptures. And Baha'i know the truth about all the Scriptures. Baha'u'llah is the Kalki to the Hindus, Maitreya to the Buddhists, the Messiah to the Jews, the Christ to the Christians and whoever is expected by the Muslims, which I think might be Jesus. But Baha'u'llah is the promised return of all of them. And since he doesn't fit the descriptions of any of them, the Baha'is tell us how to properly interpret all the prophesies and promises to make them fit.
 
CG Didymus

CG Didymus

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loverofhumanity said:
The world goes it’s way. We go our way making a new way of life. There won’t be any gambling casinos or strip clubs or alcohol served in Baha’i societies of the future and homosexuality will not be promoted as a way of life. But today the world goes it’s way. That’s their business not ours. We are creating a new world based on Baha’u’llah’s teachings.

It is not our purpose to impose Bahá'í teachings upon others by persuading the powers that be to enact laws enforcing Bahá'í principles, nor to join movements which have such legislation as their aim. The guidance that Bahá'í institutions offer to mankind does not comprise a series of specific answers to current problems, but rather the illumination of an entirely new way of life." (House of Justice)
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And don't Baha'is believe the world is going the wrong way? And, apparently, that includes its acceptance of gays. The way I understand it, the Baha'i Faith is waiting for the old world order to crumble, for disasters to strike and bring the world to the verge of extinction, then finally, the world will turn to the Baha'i Faith. But some Baha'is say that is not true. But I was told this by Baha'is. If true, then the Baha'is will have the power and will be able to put their laws into practice. No strip clubs, no alcohol, no drugs, no gays, what else? All those "evils" will be done away with. And without no outcry? No more beer or wine? How about going to the beach? What will Baha'i approved swimwear look like? What will women's clothes look like? If too much shows that won't be good. Even if bumps and curves show. Too much leg can't be allowed. Yeah, those are going to be interesting times.
 
CG Didymus

CG Didymus

Veteran Member
loverofhumanity said:
I’ve done my homework. I know what I believe and why I believe it.
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We've all done our research. And most of us here kind of know what Baha'is believe and why they believe it. But other believers in other religions have done their research too, and they also know why they believe what they do. They are just as sure as any Baha'i that they beliefs are true.

What's troubling is that it seems like Baha'is can't bring people together, because they themselves have religious beliefs that separate and divide. You know your stuff is true. And somebody else knows the stuff from their religion is true. What are Baha'is going to do about that? It is obvious. The Baha'i Faith is right, and the other religion has interpreted their Scriptures incorrectly. Well, that's just swell. Accept the person in that other religion believe your religion is false. And neither one of you wants to give in. Ah, but Baha'is, because they "know" they have the truth, believe that one day those other people in these other religions will see the light and realize that Baha'u'llah is the truth. So, it is the other person that must give in.
 
mikkel_the_dane

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
CG Didymus said:
Baha'is sound as if they are so accepting of people and their beliefs. I don't really believe that is true.
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That has nothing to do with them being Bahai's. It is for one model of human cognition concerning morality a limited, but general feature of a certain form of schemata.
 
TransmutingSoul

TransmutingSoul

One Planet, One People, Please!
Premium Member
CG Didymus said:
Baha'is sound as if they are so accepting of people and their beliefs. I don't really believe that is true.
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It is about embracing the Messengers and the Message in its pure form, which is in the Names and Attributes of the Messengers.

That is the light to look for in all people. Regards Tony
 
TransmutingSoul

TransmutingSoul

One Planet, One People, Please!
Premium Member
Brian2 said:
Do you think, like @loverofhumanity does, (Post 4140) that you and he must be more worthy than others and that is why you recognised Baha'u'llah?
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I do not know any Baha'i that thinks that, any persons faith is naught but a gift, if it changes their direction in life and anables them to become a better person.

There is a passage that I came upon well after I became a Baha'i that made me meditate, and I am still yet to discover that moment.

"Be thankful to God for having enabled you to recognise His Cause. Whoever has received this blessing must, prior to his acceptance, have performed some deed which though he himself was unaware of its character, was ordained by God as a means whereby he has been guided to find and embrace the Truth. As to those who have remained deprived of such blessing, their acts alone have hindered them from recognising the truth of this Revelation."

Bahá’u’lláh, quoted in the Dawnbreakers, p. 586

So I have no idea, but I think maybe oneness Is a key and maybe letting go of grudges and predudices against others?

Regards Tony
 
Brian2

Brian2

Veteran Member
TransmutingSoul said:
I do not know any Baha'i that thinks that, any persons faith is naught but a gift, if it changes their direction in life and anables them to become a better person.

There is a passage that I came upon well after I became a Baha'i that made me meditate, and I am still yet to discover that moment.

"Be thankful to God for having enabled you to recognise His Cause. Whoever has received this blessing must, prior to his acceptance, have performed some deed which though he himself was unaware of its character, was ordained by God as a means whereby he has been guided to find and embrace the Truth. As to those who have remained deprived of such blessing, their acts alone have hindered them from recognising the truth of this Revelation."

Bahá’u’lláh, quoted in the Dawnbreakers, p. 586

So I have no idea, but I think maybe oneness Is a key and maybe letting go of grudges and predudices against others?

Regards Tony
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It sort of sounds like you personally don't think that you need to be worthy, but then you go on and seem to be saying that something that you did or and attitude you have may be the reason and the reason others have not seen is caused by their acts alone.
Sorry, those things are not what you said but what the quote from Baha'u'llah said.
If Baha'u'llah said that then it is no wonder that @loverofhumanity thinks that Baha'is are more worthy.
Do you think that is a fruit that Baha'u'llah has produced in his followers through his teachings?
I'm sorry that sounds so bad but of course I did not realise this would come out as being what Baha'u'llah teaches his followers.
 
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