Homosexuality and religious.

[CG Didymus]

I put it in the 'worst' category. Without any evidence, complete dictatorship and regressive as well.

This was your response to Loverofhumanity's post saying, "Because of Baha’u’llah. He is the Promised One of all religions. It’s a beautiful religion that some oppose only because of ignorance..." I'm adding on to your comments. So, my comments are more about what he said about this thing that the Baha'i Faith being "beautiful".

If God is real and Baha'u'llah is God's latest manifestation, then it doesn't matter if we think it's "beautiful" or not. It is what we are stuck with, like it or not. So, is God real and is Baha'u'llah his messenger that has brought us God's laws and teachings? I hope not... in some ways. And hope so... in others. It's beautiful to see people from different religions and cultures get together as one. The different looks and colors of people... like Baha'is say, "like a beautiful garden filled with different flowers." (Paraphrase of "We are the flowers of one garden" before the Baha'is claim that I'm misquoting them). But it takes a belief in the truth of the Baha'i Faith to get people to put aside those old differences and become one under the rules and teachings of the Baha'i Faith.

But back 50 or so years ago in San Francisco, lots of us were all gathered around and loving each other (literally). And some made love to any gender and to any color of people. "Normal", "moral" society was appalled. Lots of society's rules and morals were called into question. And breaking most all of them was a beautiful thing. All it took was a rejection society's rule that were based on archaic religious beliefs. We found a new freedom. It was beautiful... until some of us OD'd on drugs. And hippie woman got pregnant and had no clue by whom. And a few other negatives. But overall, it was beautiful.

Now overall, is the Baha'i Faith beautiful? Or are there a few negatives? Are some of its moral codes all ready outdated?

 

[Trailblazer]

You little fibber! When I quoted them, you didn't accept that they were from Bahai teachings.

That is absolutely false and I could prove it to you because I have Word documents from years past that contain those exact quotes, so obviously I have seen them.

What I did not accept was from the Baha'i Writings was what is not in there, a direct quote saying that homosexuality is actually "a shameful sexual aberration that needs to be purged from the world.”

 

[Sheldon]

Google "knowledge is a subset of beliefs". There are web pages on it.

Google mermaids are real, there are web pages on that.

 

[ppp]

It took it away yes, meaning in the past I was what could be seen as homophobic, the teaching both in Islam and Baha'i has removed those thoughts within me.

It means I am no longer homophobic.

Difficult to understand?

And I am saying that is not your call. Difficult to understand?

 

[Trailblazer]

When someone said that Bahai messengers "had a range of negative attitudes and feelings toward homosexuality", you replied "true".

What I did not accept is as follows.
I said:
"No, I do not accept that. The passages do not indicate dislike of or prejudice against gay people, only disapproval of gay sexual behavior."

The passages are not about the gay people, they are about gay sexual behavior.

 

[Sheldon]

These Laws are so good that everyone should be following them, would they but know it.

Several of your fellow adherents are glibly comparing raping children and murder to being gay, so clearly good means something very different to adherents of your faith, than it does me.

 

[Spirit of Light]

And I am saying that is not your call. Difficult to understand?

Its not my call to say Islam and Baha'i faith helped me get ridd of homophobia? WOW man WOW

 

[Sheldon]

Incorrect, I know they are moral because that came from God.

Hard to imagine a more perfect example of a circular reasoning fallacy.

 

[ppp]

Its not my call to say Islam and Baha'i faith helped me get ridd of homophobia? WOW man WOW

Yep. It's not your call.

 

[Goldemar]

Its not my call to say Islam and Baha'i faith helped me get ridd of homophobia? WOW man WOW

How exactly did Islam help you get rid of your homophobia?

 

[Trailblazer]

It is clearly contradictory if you are claiming that Bahais do not have to accept and obey whatever Bahaullah said, even if it is nonsensical.

We don't have to unless we choose to.

Ok, so you admit although non-Bahais do not have to accept and obey what Bahaullah said (well, duh!), once you have become a Bahai, you do have to accept and obey what Bahaullah said.

No, we do not have to, not unless we choose to. We are still Baha'is even if we are not perfect.
Does every Christian accept and obey everything that Jesus taught?

 

[Sheldon]

What I did not accept is as follows.
I said:
"No, I do not accept that. The passages do not indicate dislike of or prejudice against gay people, only disapproval of gay sexual behavior."

The passages are not about the gay people, they are about gay sexual behavior.

That's homophobic, and it's asinine semantics, like claiming racism isn't about prejudice against people, only skin colour. You're just showing that your superstition is as morally bankrupt as the rest.

 

[ppp]

What I did not accept is as follows.
I said:
"No, I do not accept that. The passages do not indicate dislike of or prejudice against gay people, only disapproval of gay sexual behavior."

The passages are not about the gay people, they are about gay sexual behavior.

Aside from being Baha'i, do you belong to any minority or marginalized groups?

 

[Secret Chief]

I believe that homosexuality is a sexual aberration that is against nature.

How is it against nature?

"Homosexual and bisexual behaviors occur in a number of other animal species. Such behaviors include sexual activity, courtship, affection, pair bonding, and parenting, and are widespread; a 1999 review by researcher Bruce Bagemihlshows that homosexual behavior has been documented in about 500 species, ranging from primates to gut worms."

- Homosexuality - Wikipedia

 

[Trailblazer]

But why is it against god's law?

That is the million dollar question that you keep avoiding. I guess that it's just one of those things that you have to accept, even if it makes no sense to you.

I am not avoiding any questions.
It is against God's Law because God considers homosexual behavior immoral.
I do accept it and it makes sense to me, but I would accept it even it it made no sense to me.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

The passages are not about the gay people, they are about gay sexual behavior.

This is a distinction without a difference to many LGBT people. Just like if you were to say 'I don't have a problem with black people but I don't think they should marry white people.' It's still harboring negativity and resentment towards black people, not just the action of interracial sex or marriage.

 

[Sheldon]

No, we do not have to, not unless we choose to. We are still Baha'is

So the perfect message of a messenger from a deity is a pick and choose, that requires evolved mammals throw out the cruel prejudiced and immoral parts?

 

[Sheldon]

It is against God's Law because God considers homosexual behavior immoral.
I do accept it and it makes sense to me, but I would accept it even it it made no sense to me.

So the deity you imagine has the barbaric immorality of patriarchal iron age Bedouins, and you don't care because you have chosen to abandon morality in favour of archaic religious dogma that condemns and persecutes people who happen to have been born gay.

It's no longer even ironic to me when all the dishonest and vapid platitudes about love and peace fall away, to reveal the bitter nasty poisonous core of a religion.

 

[Trailblazer]

Why does Bahaism assume that a family can only be heterosexual?

Because only a man and a woman can bear children.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Yep. It's not your call.

And whos call is it to deside? Yours?
First of all, know that I have nothing against homosexual people. So maybe you should pay attention to what I actually write, and not what you think I write.