Homosexuality and religious.

[TransmutingSoul]

It's unfortunate that you see this life choice as selfish. There are other ways to give to society than generating more children, better ways in my estimation if others are going to be generating the next generation of citizens.

Like in all things, there is a balance to be found, a balance that has been lost, but there is a balance that can again be reached.

Without children, there is no human race, and well educated children are the future of the human race. We one and all should contribute to their upbringing and education, either by participating or by giving indirect support.

Regards Tony

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[mikkel_the_dane]

Like in all things, there is a balance to found, a balance that has been lost, but there is a balance that can again be reached.

Without children, there is no human race, and well educated children are the future of the human race. We one and all should contribute to their upbringing and education, either by participating or by giving indirect support.

Regards Tony

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But that doesn't require a marriage between a man and a woman.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Bahais claim that a narrow definition of "family" is what constitutes purposeful, happy, moral, etc life.
There are any number of people's personal experience that shows otherwise. So of course it is "self-orientated", and obviously that isn't a problem.

Such is the quandary between the minds on men and God's will for humanity.

That divide will widen the scales will eventually tip and God's Will, will be done.

Regards Tony

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Such is the quandary between the minds on men and God's will for humanity.

That divide will widen the scales will eventually tip and God's Will, will be done.

Regards Tony

Can you rephrase that?

 

[dybmh]

No, that is not the only reason it is wrong. It is wrong because it goes against the Law of God, and the fact that homosexuals cannot produce children is only one reason why it goes against the Law of God.

I think it would be good to detail the reasons ( plural ).

 

[TransmutingSoul]

But that doesn't require a marriage between a man and a woman.

If we want to play God, and offer that we can live life better than what God has offered as the balance for a progressive balanced humanity, then that is correct.

Regards Tony

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

If we want to play God, and offer that we can live life better than what God has offered as the balance for a progressive balanced humanity, then that is correct.

Regards Tony

But that is not correct, it is only your opinion, so it doesn't matter to the rest of us.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

No, that is not the only reason it is wrong. It is wrong because it goes against the Law of God, and the fact that homosexuals cannot produce children is only one reason why it goes against the Law of God.

So you did use nature.

 

[dybmh]

I have seen no reasoned arguments, only personal opinions.

So far there are 2 reasons/arguments opposed to the Baha'i teachings on homosexuality which have not been refuted.

1) The conversion therapy perscribed by the Baha'i teachings are harmful. There have been a few sources posted to confirm that one cannot be treated for a change in sexual preference.
2) If a gay Baha'i is born into the faith, they will be taught that their sexual preference is evil and unnatural. This is psychologically damaging.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Can you rephrase that?

We ask for ourselves what will harm us, not knowing what will be the results of our choices, if they are not in tune with God's guidance for humanity.

Thus Hidden Word.

"O Son of Spirit! I created thee rich, why dost thou bring thyself down to poverty? Noble I made thee, wherewith dost thou abase thyself? Out of the essence of knowledge I gave thee being, why seekest thou enlightenment from anyone beside Me? Out of the clay of love I moulded thee, how dost thou busy thyself with another? Turn thy sight unto thyself, that thou mayest find Me standing within thee, mighty, powerful and self-subsisting." BAHÁ’U’LLÁH

Regards Tony

 

[Trailblazer]

Homosexual is natural as an objective statement about human behaviour. If you don't accept that, then stop claiming how words work and relate to the world.

It is natural but so what? Lots of things are natural.

natural: existing in or caused by nature; not made or caused by humankind.
what does natural mean - Google Search

 

[Trailblazer]

But that doesn't require a marriage between a man and a woman.

It does however require sex between a man and a woman to produce a child.

 

[dybmh]

And yet, the verses in the Bible that say homosexuals should be put to death are just fine. Not a problem. Perfectly acceptable. No one could possibly get upset at that.

Leviticus 20:13
13 “ ‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

Since this is from my scripture I will respond. There is dispute about the translation of this verse. Most of it revolves around the meaning of the words in Hebrew which are normally translated as "lying with a man as a woman". The claim is that this verse is only to be applied in the context of rape and incest.

In addition to this, Moses is not deemed to be infallible. So, a Jewish person might choose to ignore this verse as a product of primitive thinking. We know more about homosexuality now vs. ancient times.

Then there's the fact that this rule is not enforced any longer shows that the Jewish religion is evolving.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

So far there are 2 reasons/arguments opposed to the Baha'i teachings on homosexuality which have not been refuted.

1) The conversion therapy perscribed by the Baha'i teachings are harmful. There have been a few sources posted to confirm that one cannot be treated for a change in sexual preference.
2) If a gay Baha'i is born into the faith, they will be taught that there sexual preference is evil and unnatural. This is psychologically damaging.

Well, yes. The problem is in end that other people's experience is not really real, it is only an opinion. So in my opinion it is not even harmful, it is just an opinion, that it is harmful.

That works, but only if I accept that my opinion is a positive special and I don't.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

It does however require sex between a man and a woman to produce a child.

Yeah, and that can be done with 2 homosexual people.

 

[Trailblazer]

Such is the quandary between the minds on men and God's will for humanity.

That divide will widen the scales will eventually tip and God's Will, will be done.

Regards Tony

Indeed. Thy kingdom come Thy will be done, on Earth as it is in Heaven.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

We ask for ourselves what will harm us, not knowing what will be the results of our choices, if they are not in tune with God's guidance for humanity.

Thus Hidden Word.

"O Son of Spirit! I created thee rich, why dost thou bring thyself down to poverty? Noble I made thee, wherewith dost thou abase thyself? Out of the essence of knowledge I gave thee being, why seekest thou enlightenment from anyone beside Me? Out of the clay of love I moulded thee, how dost thou busy thyself with another? Turn thy sight unto thyself, that thou mayest find Me standing within thee, mighty, powerful and self-subsisting." BAHÁ’U’LLÁH

Regards Tony

There is no we in harming as you use it, because you can still harm me and claim a we, that is not there. That is the limit in your belief.

 

[Trailblazer]

I think it would be good to detail the reasons ( plural ).

The main reason is because God considers it a sin. That is enough reason for me.

 

[Trailblazer]

But that is not correct, it is only your opinion, so it doesn't matter to the rest of us.

What matters to the rest of you is your personal opinion, which is no more correct than our belief.

 

[Sand Dancer]

I do not think that childless couples should be discriminated against at all.
It should be a choice as to whether one wants children or not.

Then why do you mention it in regard to gays, as one reason as it's against the will of god? Is childlessness against the will of your god or not?