Homosexuality and religious.

[mikkel_the_dane]

As long as the atheists on this thread don't recognize that what they say is an opinion and not a fact, then they will claim that their opinions are facts.

Well, I am one. But I know the difference between opinion and fact.
So if you hurt another human it is fact, not matter how much you claim in your opinion that it is not a fact.
But is God as God an opinion or a fact?

 

[Trailblazer]

But how do you know it is from god?
That's right, because Bahaullah said it was from god.
And how do you know Bahaullah was right?
Because he is god's messenger.
And how do you know he is god's messenger?
Because Bahaullah said so.
And how do you know he is right?
Because....
...
etc.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

And an atheist speaking for himself is expressing an opinion.
The opinion held by atheists that homosexuality is not wrong is a personal opinion and not a fact.

Well, you have to learn the different versions of wrong. That homosexutionality is not wrong, is a fact. Just as thathomosexuality is not right, is fact. For the objective part of the everyday world right and wrong are different.
But that doesn't mean that you can figure out to differentiate between different moral codes in a neutral sense.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Is God a fact or an opinion?

 

[Trailblazer]

Well, you do it indirectly, because it is not just an opinion, but a fact that homosexuality is wrong, right?
Show your colours. In the end it is an opinion or a fact.

I never said that it is a fact that homosexuality is wrong. It is a religious belief.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

And an atheist speaking for himself is expressing an opinion.
The opinion held by atheists that homosexuality is not wrong is a personal opinion and not a fact.

Yeah and then learn what what is natural, is not a fact and whether we ought to have children or not, is an opinion. If you want to play opinion, then learn that.

 

[Trailblazer]

Yes, but that doesn't make the belief itself acceptable to wider society.

Nobody is asking the wider society to accept the belief.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I never said that it is a fact that homosexuality is wrong. It is a religious belief.

So God is not a fact? And the purpose of life is an opinion? Yet, you argue like it is facts

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Nobody is asking the wider society to accept the belief.

Then stop claiming God as a fact or any opinions about the meaning of life for humans in general as you did up thread.

 

[Trailblazer]

Then you can't claim what you claim, because you state God as a fact, when it comes to homosexuality.

I never stated God as a fact. I have only ever said I believe in God.
But it does not matter. Even if there is no God that does not mean homosexuality is acceptable.
Whether it is acceptable or not is only a matter of personal opinion, period.

 

[Trailblazer]

Oh, so presenting reasoned arguments to support a position

I have seen no reasoned arguments, only personal opinions.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I never stated God as a fact. I have only ever said I believe in God.
But it does not matter. Even if there is no God that does not mean homosexuality is acceptable.
Whether it is acceptable or not is only a matter of personal opinion, period.

Then stop making natural claims.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I have seen no reasoned arguments, only personal opinions.

If 2 adults love each other, I see no reason to be against that, because I do the same with my love.
That is that it works both ways. If you want to argue against that, then we are not one under God.

 

[Trailblazer]

And yet, the viciously homophobic language in Bahai texts is just fine. Not a problem. Perfectly acceptable. No one could possibly get upset at that.

And yet, the verses in the Bible that say homosexuals should be put to death are just fine. Not a problem. Perfectly acceptable. No one could possibly get upset at that.

Leviticus 20:13
13 “ ‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

 

[Trailblazer]

We know that childless couples were treated badly in Bible times. We sure don't need to be doing it now. Sincerely, a wife of an infertile man. Fertility issues are increasing. Are we going to discriminate against them now too?

I do not think that childless couples should be discriminated against at all.
It should be a choice as to whether one wants children or not.

 

[Trailblazer]

That homosexutionality is not wrong, is a fact. Just as that homosexuality is not right, is fact.

How are those facts and not opinions?
Facts can be proven.

fact
something that is known to have happened or to exist, especially something for which proof exists, or about which there is information:
fact

Is there any proof that homosexuality is not wrong? Is there any proof that homosexuality is not right?

 

[Trailblazer]

Is God a fact or an opinion?

God is neither.

 

[Trailblazer]

Yeah and then learn what what is natural, is not a fact and whether we ought to have children or not, is an opinion. If you want to play opinion, then learn that.

I already know that.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

How are those facts and not opinions?
Facts can be proven.

fact
something that is known to have happened or to exist, especially something for which proof exists, or about which there is information:
fact

Is there any proof that homosexuality is not wrong? Is there any proof that homosexuality is not right?

Yes, as a negative it is fact that homoseuality is neither wrong or right, because both are not objective. All of the world is not objective facts and that is fact, because some parts are subjective. That there is subjectivity is a fact and if you deny that, then it is a fact that you subjectively deny it. That is how easy that is.

 

[Trailblazer]

So God is not a fact? And the purpose of life is an opinion? Yet, you argue like it is facts

No, I do not argue anything as a fact. All I have are beliefs. Beliefs are not facts.
That God exists is a belief. The purpose of life is an opinion.