Homosexuality and religious.

[mikkel_the_dane]

God is neither.

Is that a fact?

 

[KWED]

It might include an irrational fear of gay people, but not necessarily...
Note the word or in the definition.

It might, but unlikely.
The definition generally involves dislike, intolerance, discrimination, prejudice, etc towards either homosexuals or homosexuality.
It's a pretty well established and universal term. Most people know what it cover, unless there is some kind of conflict of interest, it seems.

 

[Trailblazer]

Then stop claiming God as a fact or any opinions about the meaning of life for humans in general as you did up thread.

I never claimed any of that. I only shared my beliefs.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

No, I do not argue anything as a fact. All I have are beliefs. Beliefs are not facts.
That God exists is a belief. The purpose of life is an opinion.

Then homosexaulty is fact, because it can be observed and as such it can be neither right or wrong as opinion. Yet up thread you claimed natural in regards to homosexuality.

 

[Trailblazer]

Then stop making natural claims.

I never made any natural claims.

 

[Trailblazer]

If 2 adults love each other, I see no reason to be against that, because I do the same with my love.
That is that it works both ways. If you want to argue against that, then we are not one under God.

I am not going to argue against that. You already know what my beliefs are.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I never made any natural claims.

So it wasn't you who used that we need to have children to continue and that shows that homoseuality won't work. If that was you, I am sorry.

 

[Trailblazer]

Is that a fact?

No.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I am not going to argue against that. You already know what my beliefs are.

So we are not one under God?!!! Okay.

 

[KWED]

So, if you are closed-minded and 100% certain about your opinion on homosexuality that would make you a bigot.
If you are prejudiced against and antagonistic toward religious people who hold a different opinion from you that would also make you a bigot.

bigot: a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic toward a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.
whata is a bigot - Google Search

Still pretending not to get it. I see.
Me: "I am certain that racism is unacceptable and I cant think of any argument that would change my mind"
You: "Then you're a bigot!"

 

[Trailblazer]

Then homosexaulty is fact, because it can be observed and as such it can be neither right or wrong as opinion. Yet up thread you claimed natural in regards to homosexuality.

I did not claim natural, the Baha'i Writings say it is unnatural.

 

[Trailblazer]

So we are not one under God?!!! Okay.

We are, because there is only one God.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I did not claim natural, the Baha'i Writings say it is unnatural.

But it can't be observed to be unnatural unless you on purpose differentiate it as wrong. That is the bigoted part. That is the end game.

 

[leroy]

You've had plenty of opportunity elsewhere to fail to convince anyone with your fallacious "arguments" on abortion. This thread is about homophobia in religious belief.
However, I'm sure you are equally enlightened and rational on that issue.

The fact that you avoided my questions and arguments at all cost, strongly suggests that I made a good case

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

We are, because there is only one God.

Yet you differentiate based on your opinion, so we are not one under God.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

You are still not getting it.

You: "I am certain that homosexuality is acceptable and I cant think of any argument that would change my mind"
Me: "Then you're a bigot!"

You are a bigot because you are obstinately and unreasonably attached to your opinion.

bigot: a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic toward a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.
whata is a bigot - Google Search

Let us try this one. If we are all under one God, it is unreasonable to claim that homosexuals are different. That wasn't that hard, right?

 

[Trailblazer]

But it can't be observed to be unnatural unless you on purpose differentiate it as wrong. That is the bigoted part. That is the end game.

But it can't be observed to be natural unless you on purpose differentiate it as natural. That is the bigoted part. That is the end game.

 

[Trailblazer]

Yet you differentiate based on your opinion, so we are not one under God.

Yet you differentiate based on your opinion, since that is all you have.

 

[Trailblazer]

Let us try this one. If we are all under one God, it is unreasonable to claim that homosexuals are different. That wasn't that hard, right?

They are only different in their sexual orientation.
Humans are different in many ways, yet we are all under one God.

 

[dybmh]

How does one differentiate between an argument against the existence of god, and "preaching atheism"?

An argument against God would be in response to another's claim.
Preaching atheism is trying to convince a believer to abandon their faith. Preaching is telling someone what they "should" do.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

But it can't be observed to be natural unless you on purpose differentiate it as natural. That is the bigoted part. That is the end game.

Well, then magic is real, but you don't accept that. You operate under the rule, that parts of the world is objective, yet not when it suits you.
The problem is that if you confuse subjective and objective, then anything goes. But even you know that is not the case.

Objective: expressing or dealing with facts or conditions as perceived without distortion by personal feelings, prejudices, or interpretations.
Definition of OBJECTIVE

Homosexual is natural as an objective statement about human behaviour. If you don't accept that, then stop claiming how words work and relate to the world.