Homosexuality and religious.

[mikkel_the_dane]

It is natural but so what? Lots of things are natural.

natural: existing in or caused by nature; not made or caused by humankind.
what does natural mean - Google Search

Correct, by that is not your view, because all is caused by God, yet you used natural:
Homosexuality and religious.
And claimed you didn't.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

What matters to the rest of you is your personal opinion, which is no more correct than our belief.

So if I harm you, I didn't harm you if it is my opinion that I didn't harm you. That is your rule.

 

[Trailblazer]

So far there are 2 reasons/arguments opposed to the Baha'i teachings on homosexuality which have not been refuted.

1) The conversion therapy perscribed by the Baha'i teachings are harmful. There have been a few sources posted to confirm that one cannot be treated for a change in sexual preference.
2) If a gay Baha'i is born into the faith, they will be taught that their sexual preference is evil and unnatural. This is psychologically damaging.

1) There are also instances where sexual preference has been changed voluntarily, causing no harm.
2) There is no scientific evidence that shows that anyone is born gay.

 

[dybmh]

The main reason is because God considers it a sin. That is enough reason for me.

Yes, I understand that. Your comment said there were reasons that it is a sin. See below:

No, that is not the only reason it is wrong. It is wrong because it goes against the Law of God, and the fact that homosexuals cannot produce children is only one reason why it goes against the Law of God.

If you claim "the fact that homosexuals cannot produce children is only one reason why it goes against the Law of God", that implies that there are at least two reasons. One is that homosexuals cannot produce children. What's the other? Maybe you misspoke?

 

[samtonga43]

The main reason is because God considers it a sin. That is enough reason for me.

No, no! You believe that God considers it a sin.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

1) There are also instances where sexual preference has been changed voluntarily, causing no harm.
2) There is no scientific evidence that shows that anyone is born gay.

That is not what the science you quoted said. Now do the same with being born hetorosexaul as per science and then just change your mind, because you can too.

 

[dybmh]

) There are also instances where sexual preference has been changed voluntarily, causing no harm.

Hard to believe. Can you provide an example?

2) There is no scientific evidence that shows that anyone is born gay.

That doesn't refute the argument. If a child is born into the Baha'i faith, they will be taught that homosexuality is evil and unnatural. If that child matures into a gay teen or adult, the Baha'i teaching is psychologically harmful.

 

[Trailblazer]

Yeah, and that can be done with 2 homosexual people.

A man having sex with a man or a woman having sex with a woman can produce a child?
How does that work?

 

[samtonga43]

No, that is not the only reason it is wrong. It is wrong because it goes against the Law of God, and the fact that homosexuals cannot produce children is only one reason why it goes against the Law of God.

1. You believe it goes against the Law of God.
2. A man and woman who cannot produce children are going against the Law of God?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

A man having sex with a man or a woman having sex with a woman can produce a child?
How does that work?

Yes, you can collect the semen and so on. It doesn't even require modern science. They don't have to have sex like heterosexual people to have children.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

There is no we in harming as you use it, because you can still harm me and claim a we, that is not there. That is the limit in your belief.

I like to consider that I am connected to all humanity in ways I am not fully aware of.

I see we are born of and connected to the same human spirit, which sustains the entire body of humanity.

I see all my thoughts and actions, no matter what, have an influence on the whole.

I see how humanity is sustained, is reflected in how the the human body is sustained. Imagine humanity as the cells of a body and what happens when of one of those cells becomes defective, and then if many cells become cancerous.

Regards Tony

 

[samtonga43]

The only bullying I see is coming from the nonreligious on this thread, trying to get the religious to see it "their way."
The religious are just responding to their posts.

Poor me syndrome

 

[Trailblazer]

Hard to believe. Can you provide an example?

Can some gay men and lesbians change their sexual orientation? 200 participants reporting a change from homosexual to heterosexual orientation - PubMed

That doesn't refute the argument. If a child is born into the Baha'i faith, they will be taught that homosexuality is evil and unnatural. If that child matures into a gay teen or adult, the Baha'i teaching is psychologically harmful.

Do you have examples of children of Baha'i parents becoming gay in their teens or as an adult?

Psychological harm is not the only kind of harm that can come to a person.
There are worse kinds of harm.

 

[samtonga43]

And an atheist speaking for himself is expressing an opinion.
The opinion held by atheists that homosexuality is not wrong is a personal opinion and not a fact.

How about the opinion held by some that torturing babies is not wrong?
Just a personal opinion, not a fact?

 

[Trailblazer]

1. You believe it goes against the Law of God.
2. A man and woman who cannot produce children are going against the Law of God?

No, that is not what I said.

I said: It is wrong because it goes against the Law of God, and the fact that homosexuals cannot produce children is only one reason why it goes against the Law of God.

A heterosexual man and woman who cannot produce children are not going against the Law of God, since there is no Law that says that anyone has to produce children.

A homosexual couple who cannot produce children are going against the Law of God, because there is a Law that says that homosexual acts are prohibited.

 

[Trailblazer]

Yes, you can collect the semen and so on. It doesn't even require modern science. They don't have to have sex like heterosexual people to have children.

That's true and they can even adopt children if they want children.
But let's face it, God designed man and woman to have sex together so they could produce children.
How are so many people missing the obvious?

 

[Trailblazer]

How about the opinion held by some that torturing babies is not wrong?
Just a personal opinion, not a fact?

That is a red herring.
The opinion held by atheists that homosexuality is not wrong is a personal opinion and not a fact.

 

[ppp]

That is a red herring.
The opinion held by atheists that homosexuality is not wrong is a personal opinion and not a fact.

Not a red herring. It is a fact in exactly the same way that 'torturing babies is wrong' is a fact.

 

[ppp]

That is a red herring.
The opinion held by atheists that homosexuality is not wrong is a personal opinion and not a fact.

Not optimistic. I am aware that you are simply saying red herring and choosing optimistic because you have nothing probative to add. Just as you will do so now.

 

[Trailblazer]

Not a red herring. It is a fact in exactly the same way that 'torturing babies is wrong' is a fact.

Comparing torturing babies to depriving people of sex. I cannot think of anything more pathetic.

Got any way to prove it is a fact?

Fact: something that is known to have happened or to exist, especially something for which proof exists, or about which there is information:
fact

No, I didn't think so. All you have is an opinion, we all have those.

Opinion: a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge. https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=opinion+meaning