Admin Emeritus (IOW, retired). Do YOU think your mind could ever be changed on this issue?
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Homosexuality and the New Testament: A Question
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Nada
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" Admin Emeritus (IOW, retired)" What does that mean? Also,no.I believe in Gods Word.Thats just my belief.Im sorry.I know you are not trying to change my point of view, but the way you spoke to me was pretty bad.I explained my point of view using scripture.I didn't criticize you in any way.
Nada
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My human nature to be mean to gay people? Where do you get this nonsense? I never said I was mean to gay people.Im actually very nice to gay people.Just because they choose a certain sexual preference does not mean I hate them or am mean to them.You do not know me.How could you even say that about me? I might not agree with their lifestyle, but thats on them.They have free will just like I have free will.We all answer to God.Gay people do not have to answer to me.Who am I? Im just a human like everyone else.I believe in God and I believe in His laws.Thats what I believe.If people want to be gay,go for it.I was just explaining my beliefs according to Gods Word.
John 13:35 says "By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another. I love everyone man
My human nature to be mean to gay people? Where do you get this nonsense? I never said I was mean to gay people.Im actually very nice to gay people.Just because they choose a certain sexual preference does not mean I hate them or am mean to them.You do not know me.How could you even say that about me? I might not agree with their lifestyle, but thats on them.They have free will just like I have free will.We all answer to God.Gay people do not have to answer to me.Who am I? Im just a human like everyone else.I believe in God and I believe in His laws.Thats what I believe.If people want to be gay,go for it.I was just explaining my beliefs according to Gods Word.
John 13:35 says "By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another. I love everyone man
Baloney. In this thread, you've called homosexual people things like immoral, abominations, and abnormal. If you're going to preach hate, at least be honest about it. Don't throw around hate and call it love.
You claim to follow the Bible as "God's word"; remember that in the Gospels, Jesus didn't say anything about homosexuality, but he had lots of condemnation for hypocrisy and religious unkindness.
Good. Your posts in this thread have been deeply offensive. It's good if you realize the effect they have on others.
Not me, but you've insulted and condemned some of my closest friends. How should I take that?
Nada
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Ham.In this thread I did no such thing.Like I said.I believe in Gods Word.Gods Word says those things.I am telling you what God says in His Word.Jesus Christ didn't have to specifically mention homosexuality.All of the things that are gross in Gods eyes fall under sexual immorality.Thats all he has to say.From reading the OT you should already know this
Preaching hate? Your mind is not right brother.You see what you want to see in the way you want to see it.You asked and I told you according to Gods Word.If you have an issue with it,take it up with God.
"Jesus didn't say anything about homosexuality, but he had lots of condemnation for hypocrisy and religious unkindness" Then you should be careful huh.
Nada
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Your something else man.Wow! If you feel offended then don't get on forums and discuss things.It was not I who condemned anyone.I never insulted anyone.It was you who did all the insulting.They condemned themselves by their own actions.God is the judge not I. I just told you how I feel about it according to what God says.If you can't understand that well Im sorry.You make assumptions about me that are not even true.Your a trip.
You may not be the original source of the things you're saying, but you're saying them because you agree with them, right?
Except that the OT puts homosexual acts (and only male ones) on par with eating shrimp or wearing blended fabrics.
God's not in this thread; you are. If you really believe what you post, then have the courage of your convictions to defend it. Don't fall back on this "it's not me saying it; it's God" stuff. You ARE saying it. Do you believe it or not?
Calling people things like "immoral" and "abomination" is hateful. If you disagree, then tell me what your reaction would be if someone called your mother a hateful abomination.
Meh. He's your messiah, not mine. Also, I'm not the one engaging in hypocrisy.
Skwim
Veteran Member
I agree, this could easily be taken as an admonition aimed at straight men, and perhaps straight women; however, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 and 1 Timothy 1:9-10 make no such qualification.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (Amplified Bible)
"Do you not know that the unrighteous and the wrongdoers will not inherit or have any share in the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived (misled): neither the impure and immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor those who participate in homosexuality"
1 Timothy 1:9-10 (Amplified Bible)
Knowing and understanding this: that the Law is not enacted for the righteous (the upright and just, who are in right standing with God), but for the lawless and unruly, for the ungodly and sinful, for the irreverent and profane, for those who strike and beat and [even] murder fathers and strike and beat and [even] murder mothers, for manslayers,[For] impure and immoral persons, those who abuse themselves with men, kidnapers, liars, perjurers--and whatever else is opposed to wholesome teaching and sound doctrine
They address all men (and women:1 Corinthians 6:9-10) "those who participate in homosexuality," and "those who abuse themselves with men.""Do you not know that the unrighteous and the wrongdoers will not inherit or have any share in the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived (misled): neither the impure and immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor those who participate in homosexuality"
1 Timothy 1:9-10 (Amplified Bible)
Knowing and understanding this: that the Law is not enacted for the righteous (the upright and just, who are in right standing with God), but for the lawless and unruly, for the ungodly and sinful, for the irreverent and profane, for those who strike and beat and [even] murder fathers and strike and beat and [even] murder mothers, for manslayers,[For] impure and immoral persons, those who abuse themselves with men, kidnapers, liars, perjurers--and whatever else is opposed to wholesome teaching and sound doctrine
Yes, because who would be insulted by being called an abnormal, immoral abomination? :sarcastic
My only assumption in this thread has been that you agree with the verses you attribute to God. Was I wrong?
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So, if you said calling people "immoral" or "abomination" is hateful, then, you are saying God is hateful.
Leviticus 20:13 "'If a man lies with a male, as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."
So,you do not believe in God or His Word?
029b10
Member
LOL
How do you reconcile Romans 9:13
13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
I'm saying the version of God that you've described is hateful, yes.
I don't believe in any gods and I don't believe that the Bible comes from God in any sense.
Nada
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It does not mean it like you think.First, what does hate mean as used in the Bible? One reference work answers: In the Scriptures the word hate has several shades of meaning. It may denote intense hostility, sustained ill will often accompanied by malice. Such hate may become a consuming emotion seeking to bring harm to its object. This is the meaning we are most familiar with, and we see the effects of this kind of hate all over the world. But the same work goes on to say: Hate may also signify a strong dislike but without any intent to bring harm to the object.
This second meaning is what we are considering here. It is an intense aversion, an utter abhorrencenot malice, spite, or a desire to inflict injury. Can God have this kind of hatred? Note what is expressed at Proverbs 6:16-19: There are six things that Jehovah does hate; yes, seven are things detestable to his soul: lofty eyes, a false tongue, and hands that are shedding innocent blood, a heart fabricating hurtful schemes, feet that are in a hurry to run to badness, a false witness that launches forth lies, and anyone sending forth contentions among brothers.
As we can see, there are certain practices that God hates. Yet, he does not necessarily hate the person who commits such things.
1 John 4:8 God is Love.
Nada
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So how does one become an administrator of a religious forum and not believe in God?
029b10
Member
Deut 30:7
7 And the LORD thy God will put all these curses upon thine enemies, and on them that hate thee, which persecuted thee.
The meaning is self-evident
It's a forum about religion, not just a forum for religious people. Beyond that, I'm not really interested in sharing personal insights with you.
Nada
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Cool.I guess we have nothing more to say to each other then.You have yourself a good day
Nada
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I guess you did not understand what I sent you