Homosexuality is not a sin!

[JMorris]

I apologise. That sentence was meant to lighten my comments.

how? how could that possibly "lighten" your comments? by saying something even DUMBER than the comments its supposed to "lighten"?

 

[emiliano]

justify? theres no need to justify homosexuality. just as theres no need to justify heterosexuality. sexual orientation isnt a choice, no more so than race or gender. and we dont have to justify being black, or being a woman now do we?

but i do see you trying to justify your own homophobic beliefs. using religion to justify your own homophic beliefes is just cowardly. why not just come out and say your a homophobe, and that your religion dosent really have anything to do with it? you'd be a homophobe regardless of what religion you were.

I was referring to the OP’s statements: For years, many documents have described the mistranslation of the Bible into English from the original Hebrew and Koine (ancient Greek) New-Testament writings.
Do you have any doubt that scripture condemn gay sex? If you read the OP it goes on “There are several passages often mistranslated as forbidding homosexual activity”
So we got it all wrong, man having sex with other man is OK and it isn’t forbade, their unnatural, shameful behavior is justify.
You wrote: “sexual orientation isnt a choice” But this is what. Gender! To what gender homosexual belong to? I cannot attend to your requests because I do not fear nor hate homosexual
Noun
1.
homophobe - a person who hates or fears homosexual people

Sorry, not a good straw man, you must do better! I feel sorry for them. I know that this is a behavior thus can it be controlled, we choose how we behave, this is a behavior thus is a choice.

 

[badger]

how? how could that possibly "lighten" your comments? by saying something even DUMBER than the comments its supposed to "lighten"?

So, because my views don't coincide with yours, they are automatically DUMB (your capitals). That's a helluva debating style you've got there, mate!

 

[emiliano]

Yes, we're used to having the christian minority enforce their will on us. Its ok though, a time will come when we get to vote on their rights, mock them publicly, and actively have a shot at denying them rights like they've done to the poor homosexual community. Sick really.

What could be the reason for this?
For what I know it is due to the fact that: In Australia we do not discriminate against homosexuals, you are entitle to of the benefits that heterosexuals are entitle to, so that argument cannot be use in here, the other our constitution does not state marriage as a right and defines marriage as the union of a man to a woman, this does not give us any benefit that Civil Unions don’t have, not even defacto partnership are discriminate, so the vocal minority is hard press to find issues with the decision that marriage is what we say it is, nor can they claim discrimination or disadvantaged.

 

[JMorris]

So, because my views don't coincide with yours, they are automatically DUMB (your capitals). That's a helluva debating style you've got there, mate!

yea, your views are dumb. not because they dont coincide with mine, but for what they are. being anything but pro civil rights is dumb, i wouldnt think that needs explaining.

but then you go on to say your afraid that if gay marriage is legalized, we might all be forced to be gay? thats beyond stupid.

and no, this isnt my debating style, because this isnt a debate. a debate would require 2 equal, but opposing view points. being anti-gay marriage isnt equal to being pro gay marriage, its beneath it.

 

[badger]

Ok, whatever you say. This is way too heavy for me on a Sunday morning. I'm off to the pub for a lunchtime pint and a bit of heterosexual bonding. Colour me 'gone'.....

 

[emiliano]

yea, your views are dumb. not because they dont coincide with mine, but for what they are. being anything but pro civil rights is dumb, i wouldnt think that needs explaining.

but then you go on to say your afraid that if gay marriage is legalized, we might all be forced to be gay? thats beyond stupid.

an no, this isnt my debating style, because this isnt a debate. a debate would require 2 equal, but opposing view points. being anti-gay marriage isnt equal to being pro gay marriage, its beneath it.

Oh yeah, what about you comparing homosexuality to the issue of gender, race and heterosexuality? Was that dumb?

 

[JMorris]

Oh yeah, what about you comparing homosexuality to the issue of gender, race and heterosexuality? Was that dumb?

nope. but saying sexual orientation is a choice sure is. i didnt choose to be straight, did you? if so, at what age did you decide to be? im not sure ive ever met anyone who claimed to have "chosen" their sexual orientation, be it straight or gay. so if being straight isnt a choice, why would i, or any other thinking person assume that being gay is? so they can be told that their an abomination by people like you?

your silly religion can say whatever silly things it wants. but in a secular society, with a secular gov (i live in america, not aus btw) why should a religious belief be used to restrict the civil rights of the "vocal minority" as you put it. im sure if christian rights were being supressed, you'd probably be a "vocal minority" as well.

 

[darkendless]

What could be the reason for this?
For what I know it is due to the fact that: In Australia we do not discriminate against homosexuals, you are entitle to of the benefits that heterosexuals are entitle to, so that argument cannot be use in here, the other our constitution does not state marriage as a right and defines marriage as the union of a man to a woman, this does not give us any benefit that Civil Unions don’t have, not even defacto partnership are discriminate, so the vocal minority is hard press to find issues with the decision that marriage is what we say it is, nor can they claim discrimination or disadvantaged.

Australia discriminates against homosexuals a lot. They are marginalised because they don't fit within our constitution because our laws were founded on Christian values, thus homosexuality was outlawed. To my knowledge, homosexuals cannot even be recognised by law as married. The whole "marriage is between a man and a woman" is based on christianity and is sad, why does a holy book make that decision for us?

Christianity is blocking any attempt to rectify this situation. In a news poll about 4 months ago on SBS, 51% of Australians said they would vote to allow civil unions for homosexuals.

Homosexuals can complain, they do not recieve family tax benefits. Also, for welfare, a homosexual partner is not good enough to sign declarations. That's not right.

 

[Green Gaia]

As a man of no religion, am I permitted to find the whole concept just personally distasteful? To be honest, I hope you get all the equalities you want, then perhaps you'll stop banging on about it! (As long as it's not made compulsory!)

I find the idea of heterosexual sex distasteful and can't imagine why any woman would subject herself to that! :cover:

Why in the world would you think anyone would make "it" (not sure what you mean by that) compulsory?

 

[badger]

[/QUI find the idea of heterosexual sex distasteful and can't imagine why any woman would subject herself to that! :cover:

OTE]I wait with bated breath for JMorris to label that comment DUMB!

 

[Green Gaia]

[/QUI find the idea of heterosexual sex distasteful and can't imagine why any woman would subject herself to that! :cover:

OTE]I wait with bated breath for JMorris to label that comment DUMB!

If you have something to say to me, just say it.

 

[badger]

If you have something to say to me, just say it.

It's just that when I postulated the opposite view (above), I was labelled DUMB.

 

[JMorris]

[/QUI find the idea of heterosexual sex distasteful and can't imagine why any woman would subject herself to that! :cover:

OTE]I wait with bated breath for JMorris to label that comment DUMB!

i dont recall her saying heterosexuals shouldnt be allowed to marry simply because she finds heterosexuality as distasteful. or demeaning anyone's fight for equal rights as "banging on about"

do you see the difference?

 

[Green Gaia]

It's just that when I postulated the opposite view (above), I was labelled DUMB.

After going back and reading what he actually wrote, I believe you misunderstood what he called "dumb" - that would have been your snide remark about making (something) compulsory.

 

[badger]

i dont recall her saying heterosexuals shouldnt be allowed to marry simply because she finds heterosexuality as distasteful

Nor did I

 

[badger]

[QUOTEthat would have been your snide remark ][/QUOTE]
You may also have read that I apologised for it, and attempted to explain my (apparently misguided) reasons for saying it.

 

[emiliano]

Australia discriminates against homosexuals a lot. They are marginalised because they don't fit within our constitution because our laws were founded on Christian values, thus homosexuality was outlawed. To my knowledge, homosexuals cannot even be recognised by law as married. The whole "marriage is between a man and a woman" is based on christianity and is sad, why does a holy book make that decision for us?

Christianity is blocking any attempt to rectify this situation. In a news poll about 4 months ago on SBS, 51% of Australians said they would vote to allow civil unions for homosexuals.

Homosexuals can complain, they do not recieve family tax benefits. Also, for welfare, a homosexual partner is not good enough to sign declarations. That's not right.

You are sadly misinformed about this country’s laws, if gay people adopt children they are entitled to all the benefits that the general population is, if one of them becomes unemployed they are entitled to social security payments, medicare, cared pensions low income subsidies, child support, single parent allowances etc, etc. They have accepted that their union should not be call a marriage and accepted Civil Unions instead and that the problem that that gay activism has, they cannot cry discrimination, marriage is the term that Christianity coined and is particular to them.
Australia currently has civil unions in the Australian Capital Territory, Tasmania and Victoria.
New South Wales
There is no civil union scheme in New South Wales, however, the City of Sydney provides a relationship register available to all residents of the state.
The City of Sydney Relationships Declaration Program recognises both same-sex and opposite-sex relationships. Although registration does not confer legal rights in the way a marriage does, it allows couples to make a written declaration that they are mutually committed to sharing their lives together. Couples have the option of holding a ceremony to celebrate their declaration.
Australian Capital Territory
The Civil Partnership Act 2008 commenced on 19 May 2008.
There are four options for entering an ACT civil union:
1. Deputy Registrar-General witnesses statutory declaration, endorses and registers application (Counter - no bookings required)
2. Deputy Registrar-General endorses and registers application (Statutory declaration witnessed by other qualified person) (Counter -no bookings required)
3. Deputy Registrar-General conducts commitment ceremony, witnesses statutory declaration, endorses and registers application (Pre-ceremony interview required - Booking required)
4. Deputy Registrar-General attends commitment ceremony, but only endorses and registers application (Booking required)
http://www.australianmarriageequality.com/civilunions.htm
So DL just go a head register yours.

 

[JMorris]

Nor did I

i reread your post, i apparently misunderstood some of it, no, you didnt say gays shouldnt have the right to marry.

but you did still demean their struggle for equal rights, and you added the comment at the end.

and i didnt call you dumb, i said the comment was dumb, along with your views. i assume you are smart enough to develop more intelligent views, if you are unable to, then..........

*edit* you also seemed to imply, that the only reason you'd support them getting equal rights was not because they deserved them as equal human beings, but because you were tired of hearing from them about it.

 

[badger]

i assume you are smart enough to develop more intelligent views

By 'intelligent', I assume you mean views that agree with yours.