Homosexuality is not a sin!

[emiliano]

If I were you, I'd keep these threats to myself.

They completely lack any credibility at all, especially considering the celebration of homosexuality in the Christian churches.

Dealing with homosexuality in a constructive way would go a long way in stopping the exploitation of children and the usage of male prostitutes and marital infedelity in the Christian clergy, from all denomenations. Not to mention the constant nursing of less public sins by the barbarous hypocrites who practice "excommunication." It's laughable that evangelicals even mention the word, tragic if it occurs, and utterly conceived in scandal.

They completely lack any credibility at all, especially considering the celebration of homosexuality in the Christian churches?
Dealing with homosexuality in a constructive? What are you, a stand up comedian?
How are you going to achieve repentance and change in a sinner? Celebrating it?

 

[emiliano]

Emiliano: waaay back in the middle of the conversation you said that you chose to be heterosexual. I have to ask you, would you mind teaching me how to choose my sexuality? The thing is I'm heterosexual, but I get hit on by guys as well as girls, so I'd like to re-think my decision to be heterosexual and would now like to be bisexual.

*looks at Johnny Depp*

Nope, still not attracted. Funny, you'd have thought that since I've now decided to be bisexual I'd find guys like him attractive.

My stance on homosexual marriage? It's not harming me in any way if homosexual people want to marry so why not?

As for the accuracy of the Bible... You realise of course that the holy scriptures composing the modern Bible were voted for? I believe it was Constantine who gathered various religious leaders and encouraged them to read through the scriptures and decide what would or would not go into the "official" Bible. Some of the missing elements include the Book of Enoch, the gospel of Judas and Lilith (Adam's first wife).
Just so you know, I have no problem with Christianity when it provides people with a community and encourages people to take care of one another. However, when it is used as an excuse to belittle and condemn others then in my opinion it becomes utterly redundant. In my eyes, Christians should be united in their love of their God (which I don't understand myself, but that's not for this thread) and of one another. I have a strong suspicion that with you, fear of Hell takes precedence over love of others and that, sir, is my honest opinion.

Ok let see, as you probably know and since you’ve read some of my post of way back I’ll assume you do, I believe that homosexual act are abnormal behavior (a disorder of the mind) and behaviors are leant so I am afraid that I cannot teach how to be a bisexual nor how to become one, ask Johnny. I learnt the heterosexual behavior from other normal males, so my advice to you is to seek the advice of bisexuals, I am heterosexual.
It's not harming me in any way if homosexual people want to marry so why not?
I don’t know in what country you reside so I’ll tell what is the case in Australia, we had a popular consultation and decide that the word marriage describes the union of a man to a woman and coincides with what Christianity describes it, they cannot called marriages but they are entitle to all the rights and benefit that marriages have, they are happy and we are happy, other countries where this is not so have case to answer, we don’t. As for the fear I have a topic in this forum you may be interesting in expressing your ideas there, it has been inactive for quite a while. The fear of God, what is it? I find that many people have a distorted idea of love and confuse one kind with the other, erotic love is not what God command for a congregation, is filial love that we are commanded to have for one another in the church.

 

[darkendless]

They completely lack any credibility at all, especially considering the celebration of homosexuality in the Christian churches?
Dealing with homosexuality in a constructive? What are you, a stand up comedian?
How are you going to achieve repentance and change in a sinner? Celebrating it?

Aren't you being a sinner by being so damn judgemental?

Celebration of homosexuality is the celebration of natural attraction, not some daemonic garbage you've been brainwashed to believe.

 

[emiliano]

Aren't you being a sinner by being so damn judgemental?

Celebration of homosexuality is the celebration of natural attraction, not some daemonic garbage you've been brainwashed to believe.

Not at all, we are commanded to judge the spirits, if they are evil, unclean spirits, seductive, evil spirit, etc.

1Jo 4:1
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
Deu 30:19
I call heaven and earth as witnesses today against you, [that] I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore choose life, that both you and your descendants may live;
Jos 24:15
And if it seems evil to you to serve the LORD, choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods which your fathers served that [were] on the other side of the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you dwell. But as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD." ​

Choices, choices, we choose how to behave and our behaviors are judged by the community to which we belong and they are classed normal or abnormal. In the Christian Church (Christian community) gay sex is a bizarre/abnormal behavior.

 

[darkendless]

Not at all, we are commanded to judge the spirits, if they are evil, unclean spirits, seductive, evil spirit, etc.

1Jo 4:1
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
Deu 30:19
I call heaven and earth as witnesses today against you, [that] I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore choose life, that both you and your descendants may live;
Jos 24:15
And if it seems evil to you to serve the LORD, choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods which your fathers served that [were] on the other side of the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you dwell. But as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD." ​

Choices, choices, we choose how to behave and our behaviors are judged by the community to which we belong and they are classed normal or abnormal. In the Christian Church (Christian community) gay sex is a bizarre/abnormal behavior.

Why is it up to you to judge who is unclean? In my opinion thats childish behaviour. I cannot condone judging people based on what they do in their spare time. I think your position is unjust and unfair. Your open condemnation of homosexuals based on something that has absolutely no affect on you better get you into heaven, because if it doesn't, you've spoken a lot of hate on the subject, so i hope you're pleasing your childish God.

People do not chose to be gay. Why would anyone choose to deal with people like you every day? People like you hinder their very existance, and thats just pathetic. Of all the things Christianity does, openly trying to defeat homosexuality is the least humane. Its downright disgusting how you talk about these people who, as much as you hate to acknowledge, are just like you and me

 

[averageJOE]

Why is it up to you to judge who is unclean? In my opinion thats childish behaviour. I cannot condone judging people based on what they do in their spare time. I think your position is unjust and unfair. Your open condemnation of homosexuals based on something that has absolutely no affect on you better get you into heaven, because if it doesn't, you've spoken a lot of hate on the subject, so i hope you're pleasing your childish God.

People do not chose to be gay. Why would anyone choose to deal with people like you every day? People like you hinder their very existance, and thats just pathetic. Of all the things Christianity does, openly trying to defeat homosexuality is the least humane. Its downright disgusting how you talk about these people who, as much as you hate to acknowledge, are just like you and me

:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap :yes:
Very well said!

 

[emiliano]

Why is it up to you to judge who is unclean? In my opinion thats childish behaviour. I cannot condone judging people based on what they do in their spare time. I think your position is unjust and unfair. Your open condemnation of homosexuals based on something that has absolutely no affect on you better get you into heaven, because if it doesn't, you've spoken a lot of hate on the subject, so i hope you're pleasing your childish God.

People do not chose to be gay. Why would anyone choose to deal with people like you every day? People like you hinder their very existance, and thats just pathetic. Of all the things Christianity does, openly trying to defeat homosexuality is the least humane. Its downright disgusting how you talk about these people who, as much as you hate to acknowledge, are just like you and me

That’s your opinion and you are entitle to it as I am entitled to my, I find this behavior quite bizarre and I am not trying to convert you, gay people have problem with rejection and are very vocal in their protest and attempts to shove their behavior down everybody else’s throat and may I remind you that the OP is an attempt to gain acceptance to this behavior in Christianity, I am sure that you are not planning to become a Christian so I don’t see the problem, but if you were then the Church will demand that you repent and change. Beefy bases his argument on “A Gathering of Angels (by Larry Dean.Hamilton) describes actual spiritual events in modern times, and those incidents match the teachings from the original texts of the Bible, before the King James. Version mistranslated some verses to condemn homosexuality” I happen to disagree with this I agree with this: The right to excommunicate is an immediate and necessary consequence of the fact that the Church is a society. Every society has the right to exclude and deprive of their rights and social advantages its unworthy or grievously culpable members, either temporarily or permanently. Protestant evangelical churches may call it by a different name but they do the same thing because they are societies; to exclude and deprive of their rights and social advantages its unworthy or grievously culpable members. If you don’t want to change don’t join us.

 

[JMorris]

"Beware the Jabberwock, my son,
the jaws that bite and claws that scratch"

*edit* thats gonna be my new canned response to nonsense

 

[tumbleweed41]

the fact that the Church is a society. Every society has the right to exclude and deprive of their rights and social advantages its unworthy or grievously culpable members, either temporarily or permanently. Protestant evangelical churches may call it by a different name but they do the same thing because they are societies; to exclude and deprive of their rights and social advantages its unworthy or grievously culpable members. If you don’t want to change don’t join us.

Each individual church or denomination has every right to interpret and enforce its laws and scriptures however it wishes upon it's own members.
However, to try to enforce those interpretations on non members is stepping outside of its own "society".
As has been shown, what you believe and what other Christians believe may be different, what you interpret the scriptures to say are different from what others may interpret.
You can be as selective as you want in your own little "church society", but due to the Establishment clause of the Constitution, you do not have any right to enforce your interpretations outside of your "church society", on others in the greater society. or on other "church societies".
There are many Christians who disagree with your assumption that homosexuality is a sin, not to mention the many other religious beliefs and non-beliefs that our society encompasses.
While your little "church society" can refuse to accept homosexuals, and refuse to marry them when it becomes legal, (and it will), I, as an ordained, and state registered, non-denominational minister will be happy to perform all the same-sex marriages that I can.

(For anyone out there, it is easy to do, and can help provide a needed service)

 

[angellous_evangellous]

They completely lack any credibility at all, especially considering the celebration of homosexuality in the Christian churches?
Dealing with homosexuality in a constructive? What are you, a stand up comedian?
How are you going to achieve repentance and change in a sinner? Celebrating it?

It's not me you're not taking seriously, but the topic.

And that betrays bigotry.

 

[MarvelousWorksofGod]

That was much waste of time.
Homosexuality is a sin, as shown here.

In Romans 1:22- KJV Reads:

And changed the glory of the uncorruptible
God into an image made like man, and to birds,
and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

This here above would mean being a tranvestite is a sin.

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleaness
through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour
their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and
worshiped and served the creature more than the
Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

Everything else said above is should be self~explanatory.

Then it goes on and on this issue:
(Romans 1:26-28)
For this cause God gave them up unto
vile afrfections: for even their woman did
change natural use into what which is against
nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural
use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward
another; men with men working that which is
unseemly, and receiving in themselves that
recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in
their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind,
to do those things which are not convenient;

Then it goes on how this includes being filled with
all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, coveteousness,
fornication, maliciousness, full of envy, murder, debate,
deceit, malignity; and whispers.

Now, what there is to debate about?

 

[gzusfrk]

That was much waste of time.
Homosexuality is a sin, as shown here.

In Romans 1:22- KJV Reads:

And changed the glory of the uncorruptible
God into an image made like man, and to birds,
and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

This here above would mean being a tranvestite is a sin.

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleaness
through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour
their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and
worshiped and served the creature more than the
Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

Everything else said above is should be self~explanatory.

Then it goes on and on this issue:
(Romans 1:26-28)
For this cause God gave them up unto
vile afrfections: for even their woman did
change natural use into what which is against
nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural
use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward
another; men with men working that which is
unseemly, and receiving in themselves that
recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in
their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind,
to do those things which are not convenient;

Then it goes on how this includes being filled with
all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, coveteousness,
fornication, maliciousness, full of envy, murder, debate,
deceit, malignity; and whispers.

Now, what there is to debate about?

And your just talking what the bible says about homosexuality. It also talks what marraige is in the 7th chapter of 1 corintians,when the bible talks about the women keeping silient in the church it tells them to ask there husbands,at home,when it talks of the two becoming one flesh it talks of husband and wife.when it talks of elders in timothy it talks of being a husband of one wife.in ephesians it talks of the husband being head of wife,there are more.

 

[tumbleweed41]

That was much waste of time.
Homosexuality is a sin, as shown here.

In Romans 1:22- KJV Reads:

And changed the glory of the uncorruptible
God into an image made like man, and to birds,
and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

This here above would mean being a tranvestite is a sin.

Actually, Romans 1:22, KJV reads...
"Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, "

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleaness
through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour
their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and
worshiped and served the creature more than the
Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

Everything else said above is should be self~explanatory.

Hmmm...
Lets look at the whole passage.
Romans 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.



Um... no mention of "transvestites, what we see here is the worshiping of man made idols, shaped like the corruptible mortal beings of men, animal, and birds.

Then it goes on and on this issue:
(Romans 1:26-28)
For this cause God gave them up unto
vile afrfections: for even their woman did
change natural use into what which is against
nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural
use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward
another; men with men working that which is
unseemly, and receiving in themselves that
recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in
their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind,
to do those things which are not convenient;

What is your "natural" use MWoG?

You notice if you read the whole passage, rather than just picking verses, that this was a punishment from God. "For this cause God gave them up unto.." For these men and women to "burn in lust" for one another. So we may come to the conclusion that these were heterosexual men and women who were punished by being forced by God to become homosexual. Just as many in the church want to "force" homosexuals to become heterosexuals.
We could learn something from this.

Then it goes on how this includes being filled with
all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, coveteousness,
fornication, maliciousness, full of envy, murder, debate,
deceit, malignity; and whispers.

Now, what there is to debate about?

Romans 1:
29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:



We could debate on why God "gave them over to a reprobate mind", was it because they were idol worshipers? Is this why he "gave them up unto" the affections that went against their nature?
For what reason do you want to force a homosexual into affections that go against their nature?

To anyone, heterosexual, or homosexual, to be forced to switch would be "vile".

 

[tumbleweed41]

And your just talking what the bible says about homosexuality. It also talks what marraige is in the 7th chapter of 1 corintians,when the bible talks about the women keeping silient in the church it tells them to ask there husbands,at home,when it talks of the two becoming one flesh it talks of husband and wife.when it talks of elders in timothy it talks of being a husband of one wife.in ephesians it talks of the husband being head of wife,there are more.

Yes, you gotta love all the rules imposed on the wife and women in the NT.:cover:

And this has to do with whether or not homosexuality is a "sin", how?
All it shows is that at that time, in that society, there was no need to give "rules" to homosexuals, as they were not openly accepted by that society. It says nothing about any supposed "sin".

 

[gzusfrk]

Yes, you gotta love all the rules imposed on the wife and women in the NT.:cover:

And this has to do with whether or not homosexuality is a "sin", how?
All it shows is that at that time, in that society, there was no need to give "rules" to homosexuals, as they were not openly accepted by that society. It says nothing about any supposed "sin".

1 Corinthians 6:9 no homosexuals shall inherit the kingdom of God. this is what most christians quote.The bible talks alot about husband and wife,never wife and wife or husband and husband unless its in a bad way, we are not supposed to add or take away from the Word. 1 Corinthians 6:9 implys homosexuality is unrighteous.

 

[tumbleweed41]

1 Corinthians 6:9 no homosexuals shall inherit the kingdom of God. this is what most christians quote.The bible talks alot about husband and wife,never wife and wife or husband and husband unless its in a bad way, we are not supposed to add or take away from the Word. 1 Corinthians 6:9 implys homosexuality is unrighteous.

9Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.


It is always amazing to see one pick out the parts, that in your words "implies homosexuality", yet ignore the rest.
You do know that drunkards and revilers are included? Will the christian who goes to church on Sundays, but parties all Friday night be denied entrance to paradise?
If you say yes, where is your "Prop 9", bringing back prohibition?

More to the point, do you also realize that the entire Chapter 6 is an admonition against bringing a lawsuit against another Christian? Especially before a judge who is unrighteous? What you are told to do is to work it out amongst your "brethren" or church. Is this what you do gzusfrk?..Do you encourage your brethren to work out their differences among other Christians? If not you have missed the entire point of Chapter 6.

I have yet to hear "Focus on the Family" give a message admonishing those who seek lawsuits against other Christians.

Seems like you are guilty of "taking away" the true message.

 

[gzusfrk]

9Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.


It is always amazing to see one pick out the parts, that in your words "implies homosexuality", yet ignore the rest.
You do know that drunkards and revilers are included? Will the christian who goes to church on Sundays, but parties all Friday night be denied entrance to paradise?
If you say yes, where is your "Prop 9", bringing back prohibition?

More to the point, do you also realize that the entire Chapter 6 is an admonition against bringing a lawsuit against another Christian? Especially before a judge who is unrighteous? What you are told to do is to work it out amongst your "brethren" or church. Is this what you do gzusfrk?..Do you encourage your brethren to work out their differences among other Christians? If not you have missed the entire point of Chapter 6.

I have yet to hear "Focus on the Family" give a message admonishing those who seek lawsuits against other Christians.

Seems like you are guilty of "taking away" the true message.

no not really, I did not mention cause its not the op,yes there is a whole list of stuff in those verses,if we were talking about stealing I would have brought up just the thief.I do not take my brother to court,I do not ignore the Word,I only party with my wife,and its not all night,or everynight.

 

[Diederick]

You know, essentially the motivation behind people who think homosexuality is a sin disgusts me more than the distant possibility that a Deity, who might be this far from perfection that It actually dislikes homosexuality, would exist. Why do people want me to know that I'll burn in hell if I have sex with another man? To make sure others see how far they'll go for the All Loving One? So I will join their sect? Or is it just to hurt me? I'm really curious... (good luck with any of those, btw)

The imperfection of the watch, reveals the imperfection of the Watchmaker.

 

[emiliano]

Tumbleweed..

Hmmm...
Lets look at the whole passage.
Romans 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

You do get that this is addressing those that turn to Paganism, don’t you? I found (Google it) this site and found this and it said: It seems there were temple sex rites over which presided the most fruitful and productive people in the society. These were held en-mass once per year, but were performed by all in the society on an ongoing basis with temple sex priests (prostitutes both male and female).
It seems that these spirits could not enjoy orgasmic sensation within their own non-corporeal bodies, but they could feel the ecstasy of the human pleasure through these rites. The appetites of the spirits are greater than those of humans however, so to appease their sensuality, mass, coordinated human climax was required. This activity was central to the success of the society because it retained the polyamoric relationship with these benevolent spirits. Only group orgasms could attract and retain the attention of the spirits. The spirits didn't care if the rites were performed between males and females, males and males, or females and females. They could even be appeased through masturbation with no intercourse. The point was to achieve climax all together as an associated society so that society could retain the spirit relationship and be blessed.
http://www.nowpublic.com/culture/ancient-pagan-sex-rites-practiced-modern-times,

24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

From the beginning God warned His people not to get involved in pagan’s practices, these are abominations that are against nature that bring dishonour to it practitioners, pagan worship many god and they have for fertility and this right were performed to appease them.

25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

The truths of God: male and female He created them. I will make him a helper comparable to him and God make a woman and not another man.

Gen 2:24
Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh. ​

These are the truths of God that they changed for pagan practices with animal looking gods and unnatural sexual practices, God turned away from them thus they have no morals, whenever we sin God turns away from us and without God present we are in danger, that’s what the Apostle addressed to in. Romans 1:
29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
These are the sins that we expose ourselves to when we "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools" Or as Augustine said about sins, the consequence of sin are more and more grievous sins.
People that practice unnatural sex acts are abandoned of God and at risk of committing sin, obstinate disobedience will separate you from God the only one that can help you, you will have to straggle on your own and are in a weak state to do so, to overcome due to your perseverance in doing what is abominable and not proper of mankind a rational being.

Isa 1:15
When you spread out your hands, I will hide My eyes from you; Even though you make many prayers, I will not hear. Your hands are full of blood.
Isa 1:16
"Wash yourselves, make yourselves clean; Put away the evil of your doings from before My eyes. Cease to do evil, ​

You do realized that the Epistle to the Romans is to address different issue raised by practice in that congregation in addition to sexual pervasion namely fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, These letter were to be circulated amongst the churches so all issues were systematically addressed so these doesn’t cut it either, gay sex is a sin.

 

[emiliano]

Each individual church or denomination has every right to interpret and enforce its laws and scriptures however it wishes upon it's own members.
However, to try to enforce those interpretations on non members is stepping outside of its own "society".
As has been shown, what you believe and what other Christians believe may be different, what you interpret the scriptures to say are different from what others may interpret.
You can be as selective as you want in your own little "church society", but due to the Establishment clause of the Constitution, you do not have any right to enforce your interpretations outside of your "church society", on others in the greater society. or on other "church societies".
There are many Christians who disagree with your assumption that homosexuality is a sin, not to mention the many other religious beliefs and non-beliefs that our society encompasses.
While your little "church society" can refuse to accept homosexuals, and refuse to marry them when it becomes legal, (and it will), I, as an ordained, and state registered, non-denominational minister will be happy to perform all the same-sex marriages that I can.

(For anyone out there, it is easy to do, and can help provide a needed service)

Well surprise, surprise we are understanding each other, now do you see how this topic is an attempt to shove this behavioral abnormality down our throats by picking and cherry picking verses and putting doubts in the interpretation of our sacred scriptures, do you?
Now although we are in a religious society we are at the same time living in a secular world, to be honest I don’t know who started the interferences but it is there, the secular world from time to time calls these popular consultation/plebiscites, what I have stated is that when we go to the polls to cast our vote that contain our opinion on the issues presented to us we do it as a whole person with certain system of believe and we draw from it, is these type of union on par with what I understand marriage to be? No way! Is this a bizarre request (same sex marriage) absolutely! Should we support a change in the definition to accommodate this behavior? No, call it something else! As it has been reported here some churches have change their tenet to appease homosexuals, appointed gay minister that do the twisting of the scripture and work hard to shove them down the throat of the rest of the congregation, you said: While your little "church society" can refuse to accept homosexuals, and refuse to marry them when it becomes legal, (and it will), I, as an ordained, and state registered, non-denominational minister will be happy to perform all the same-sex marriages that I can” What is your reason for doing so? Do you believe that this is in Christianity’s tenets? The latest conflict is part of that campaign that you think that it will succeed eventually, the pressure is on and although they are not great in numbers they are very seductive (as prophesied), organized and vocal, from a site that I visit frequently I learnt that some atheist gay demand to be married in churches that do not accept this behavior and cannot married same sex couple just to have ground to make the IR to take away the Church tax exceptions status, so it is understandable that some cave in and the way ahead is to support the Church that follows Christianity’s tenet and withdraw support from the others, also me must not allow our resources to be used for their purposes, that is why I said that denominational segregation is a good idea.