Homosexuality is not a sin!

[emiliano]

Really, a positive approach might be helpful to your cause (which I absolutely do not support). Saying people are sinners and that they will burn in hell if they don't change something as personal as their sexual conduct - is not a good welcome message.

Saying something like: "You will go to heaven, and always have the good Lord on and by your side, etc. And oh yeah, having sex with another man is considered a sin, so maybe you'd want to try and steer clear from such conduct."

It's still the same religious bull****, but at least you present it wrapped as a gift rather than extorting people. See the difference: "You must repent, or else!" and the alternative: "Please repent, and you will receive..."

Interesting, but I am a Christian and have a system of belief that is based on the Bible, consider that I am clearly talking of what should be done in the church. In the Church the rule of Law is the Bible and as I have told other Christians in here several times God is not running for office and we are not call to be His campaign manager, if it were you could be the one for the job because you have a good insight on what politicians do, but this is a completely difference situation, they lie, promise and distort the truth and they get their man through, they get elected and soon after they break more than half these promises. What this is about is religion and religion promises Salvation, if we tell gays that they will be Saved to God’s kingdom even if they die in their sins, that is a lie, increasing the membership of the Church with lies is unloving and has consequences. This may seem strange to you because you don’t have a religion/church. I believe that there is no Salvation without repentance and cannot preach any thing else that I know to be untruth, that is what the founder of our faith preached and charged us (the Church) to preach. The forerunner of the master preached:

Mat 3:5
Then Jerusalem, all Judea, and all the region around the Jordan went out to him
Mat 3:6
and were baptized by him in the Jordan, confessing their sins.
Mat 3:7
But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said to them, "Brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
Mat 3:8
Therefore bear fruits worthy of repentance, ​

And after John the Baptist death Jesus preached to them like so:

Mat 4:17
From that time Jesus began to preach and to say, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." ​

After instructing His first disciples He dispatched them to preach like He did:

Mar 6:12
So they went out and preached that [people] should repent. ​

Now let turn to your wise political campaign; please consider that the methods used by these men, three in the inner-circle plus nine and the divine teacher founded a Church of billion plus people so thank for the tips, but no thank, to encourage gays to stay in their sins won’t do nothing but destroy souls.

Interesting, but I am a Christian and have a system of belief that is based on the Bible, consider that I am clearly talking of what should be done in the church. In the Church the rule of Law is the Bible and as I have told other Christians in here several times God is not running for office and we are not call to be His campaign manager, if it were you could be the one for the job because you have a good insight on what politicians do, but this is a completely difference situation, they lie, promise and distort the truth and they get their man through, they get elected and soon after they break more than half these promises. What this is about is religion and religion promises Salvation, if we tell gays that they will be Saved to God’s kingdom even if they die in their sins, that is a lie, increasing the membership of the Church with lies is unloving and has consequences. This may seem strange to you because you don’t have a religion/church. I believe that there is no Salvation without repentance and cannot preach any thing else that I know to be untruth, that is what the founder of our faith preached and charged us (the Church) to preach. The forerunner of the master preached:

Mat 3:5
Then Jerusalem, all Judea, and all the region around the Jordan went out to him
Mat 3:6
and were baptized by him in the Jordan, confessing their sins.
Mat 3:7
But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said to them, "Brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
Mat 3:8
Therefore bear fruits worthy of repentance, ​

And after John the Baptist death Jesus preached to them like so:

Mat 4:17
From that time Jesus began to preach and to say, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." ​

After instructing His first disciples He dispatched them to preach like He did:

Mar 6:12
So they went out and preached that [people] should repent. ​

Now let turn to your wise political campaign; please consider that the methods used by these men, three in the inner-circle plus nine and the divine teacher founded a Church of billion plus people so thank for the tips, but no thank, to encourage gays to stay in their sins won’t do nothing but destroy souls.

 

[emiliano]

Has it ever occurred to you that the bodies of homosexual men are still built, fired up, and attempting to "preserve one’s gene pool, preserve the species". Gay men want to have children just as much as straight men do. Their sex is still a natural urge to achieve that.

Correct, but let go to what I said to TJ “Again reason and perception, I said that I believe that is a thought disorder affecting perception a disorder mind, but folks in here get very touchy about this, so I hope that you get it” Now if a male get the urges of the instinct and have sex wit another male this is acting against what is natural, so again it is a mental disorder and absence of reason.

This is funny though: “Gay men want to have children just as much as straight men do. Their sex is still a natural urge to achieve that.

 

[Diederick]

Interesting, but I am a Christian and have a system of belief that is based on the Bible, consider that I am clearly talking of what should be done in the church. In the Church the rule of Law is the Bible and as I have told other Christians in here several times God is not running for office and we are not call to be His campaign manager, if it were you could be the one for the job because you have a good insight on what politicians do, but this is a completely difference situation, they lie, promise and distort the truth and they get their man through, they get elected and soon after they break more than half these promises. What this is about is religion and religion promises Salvation, if we tell gays that they will be Saved to God’s kingdom even if they die in their sins, that is a lie, increasing the membership of the Church with lies is unloving and has consequences. This may seem strange to you because you don’t have a religion/church. I believe that there is no Salvation without repentance and cannot preach any thing else that I know to be untruth, that is what the founder of our faith preached and charged us (the Church) to preach. The forerunner of the master preached:

Mat 3:5
Then Jerusalem, all Judea, and all the region around the Jordan went out to him
Mat 3:6
and were baptized by him in the Jordan, confessing their sins.
Mat 3:7
But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said to them, "Brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
Mat 3:8
Therefore bear fruits worthy of repentance, ​

And after John the Baptist death Jesus preached to them like so:

Mat 4:17
From that time Jesus began to preach and to say, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." ​

After instructing His first disciples He dispatched them to preach like He did:

Mar 6:12
So they went out and preached that [people] should repent. ​

Now let turn to your wise political campaign; please consider that the methods used by these men, three in the inner-circle plus nine and the divine teacher founded a Church of billion plus people so thank for the tips, but no thank, to encourage gays to stay in their sins won’t do nothing but destroy souls.

Déjà vu.
​

"This may seem strange to you because you don’t have a religion/church."
Not at all. I have a very sound understanding of religion and spirituality. I've been a Christian (or what looked like it to most people) for two months, which days embodied the darkest of my life so far; even though I thought I was happy.

For the record. If you ever debate me, which is sort of happening now, please don't fling Bible verses to my head, because I find them deeply uninteresting in a debate - unless it is a spiritual debate, of course. It's a waste of your time, and I feel bad for that.

"Now let turn to your wise political campaign; please consider that the methods used by these men, three in the inner-circle plus nine and the divine teacher founded a Church of billion plus people so thank for the tips, but no thank, to encourage gays to stay in their sins won’t do nothing but destroy souls."
I never said gay men should stay in their sinful ways, I wholly agree with you that, in order to be saved, you should try your best to cleanse yourself from all sin. Including homosexuality and casting judgement over others (hint, hint).

However I didn't believe (when I was a Christian, Presbyterian to be precise) that you have to actually be "cured" before you die. Mainly because that is unrealistic since sexuality cannot be changed. All we can do is try to minimize the actual conduct which is considered sinful, a.k.a. having sex with other dudes. This does mean that it should be okay to live with another man as your partner - just just can't have sex. The Bible doesn't say anything about that, now does it?

 

[Diederick]

Correct, but let go to what I said to TJ “Again reason and perception, I said that I believe that is a thought disorder affecting perception a disorder mind, but folks in here get very touchy about this, so I hope that you get it” Now if a male get the urges of the instinct and have sex wit another male this is acting against what is natural, so again it is a mental disorder and absence of reason.

This is funny though: “Gay men want to have children just as much as straight men do. Their sex is still a natural urge to achieve that.

Well, I wasn't joking. I hope you got that...
And are you trying to claim that homosexuality is a mental disorder? Then what about heterosexuality? It's a variation, not a disorder, honey.

 

[Sunstone]

What evidence would make any sane person believe homosexuality was a mental disorder? Just curious.

 

[sandandfoam]

What evidence would make any sane person believe homosexuality was a mental disorder? Just curious.

I don't know about homosexuality. But - Some believe that marriage is evidence that heterosexuality is a mental disorder.
Seems I'm one of those insane married heterosexuals who believes homosexuality to be entirely sane.
Great to have you back Sunstone. Gets me in touch with my disorders

 

[Sunstone]

Great to have you back Sunstone. Gets me in touch with my disorders

Leave it to an Irishman to give me the best compliment I've ever received.

 

[Alceste]

Well, I wasn't joking. I hope you got that...
And are you trying to claim that homosexuality is a mental disorder? Then what about heterosexuality? It's a variation, not a disorder, honey.

Related to that, if it's a mental disorder, it's one that is apparently built into almost every living thing on earth.

Homosexual behaviour widespread in animals according to new study - Telegraph

The pairing of same sex couples had previously been observed in more than 1,000 species including penguins, dolphins and primates.


However, in the latest study the authors claim the phenomenon is not only widespread but part of a necessary biological adaptation for the survival of the species.



They found that on the Hawaiian island of Oahu, almost a third of the Laysan albatross population is raised by pairs of two females because of the shortage of males. Through these 'lesbian' unions, Laysan albatross are flourishing. Their existence had been dwindling before the adaptation was noticed.



Other species form same-sex bonds for other reasons, they found. Dolphins have been known engage in same-sex interactions to facilitate group bonding while male-male pairings in locusts killed off the weaker males.


A pair of "gay" penguins recently hatched an egg at a German zoo after being given the egg that had been rejected by its biological parents by keepers.


Writing in Trends in Ecology & Evolution, Dr Nathan Bailey, an evolutionary biologist at California University, said previous studies have failed to consider the evolutionary consequences of homosexuality.



He said same homosexual behaviour was often a product of natural selection to further the survival of the species.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

What evidence would make any sane person believe homosexuality was a mental disorder? Just curious.

The key would be researching why the American Psychiatric Association changed the classification of homosexuality as a mental disorder in their diagnostic manual in 1973.

 

[tumbleweed41]

Interesting, but I am a Christian and have a system of belief that is based on the Bible, consider that I am clearly talking of what should be done in the church. In the Church the rule of Law is the Bible....

Emiliano, what Laws of God do you habitually break? There are over 600 of them. Have you researched all of them? Or do you just concentrate on the perception of homosexuality as a sin?

Romans2:23Thou that makest thy boast of the Law, through breaking the Law dishonourest thou God? 24For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.

:cover:

 

[emiliano]

Related to that, if it's a mental disorder, it's one that is apparently built into almost every living thing on earth.

Homosexual behaviour widespread in animals according to new study - Telegraph

Humans are set apart from animals in that they can reason and since we are discussing sin and this is a religious concept, to me as a religious person the reason that this behavior is not unacceptable in the Church is that God gave us the ability to reason for a purpose and communicated this humans

Gen 5:2
He created them male and female, and blessed them and called them Mankind in the day they were created.​

Then told them to multiply and subdue the whole creation, God let this known to His chosen people

Lev 20:13
If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood [shall be] upon them.​

The OP argues “Old-Testament Literal Translation - . The infamous verse Leviticus 20:13, often used to condemn homosexuality, is about a married-man with another male, in the "marriage-bed" as with his wife. See the Latinized Greek for Leviticus 20:13 below:
I don’t know what suggest this to beefy “is about a married-man with another male, in the "marriage-bed" because this is nowhere in the passage, this threat is funny, now we have the issue of homosexuality in irrational animals, I fail to see how this help the position of the OP that talks about Christianity’s condemnation of this behavior.

He said same homosexual behaviour was often a product of natural selection to further the survival of the species.

Animal are not condemned for their confusion because they are irrational although I understand that in their behavior there is no penetration and ejaculation (I have seen dogs doing it) as is the case of humans, irrational animals weren’t given the Moral Law to live by and have no two way communication with their creator and they don’t join the Church either.

 

[emiliano]

"This may seem strange to you because you don’t have a religion/church."
Not at all. I have a very sound understanding of religion and spirituality. I've been a Christian (or what looked like it to most people) for two months, which days embodied the darkest of my life so far; even though I thought I was happy.

For the record. If you ever debate me, which is sort of happening now, please don't fling Bible verses to my head, because I find them deeply uninteresting in a debate - unless it is a spiritual debate, of course. It's a waste of your time, and I feel bad for that.

"Now let turn to your wise political campaign; please consider that the methods used by these men, three in the inner-circle plus nine and the divine teacher founded a Church of billion plus people so thank for the tips, but no thank, to encourage gays to stay in their sins won’t do nothing but destroy souls."
I never said gay men should stay in their sinful ways, I wholly agree with you that, in order to be saved, you should try your best to cleanse yourself from all sin. Including homosexuality and casting judgement over others (hint, hint).

However I didn't believe (when I was a Christian, Presbyterian to be precise) that you have to actually be "cured" before you die. Mainly because that is unrealistic since sexuality cannot be changed. All we can do is try to minimize the actual conduct which is considered sinful, a.k.a. having sex with other dudes. This does mean that it should be okay to live with another man as your partner - just just can't have sex. The Bible doesn't say anything about that, now does it?

You are funny! Two month? And have a very sound understanding of religion and spirituality? Well I have spent more time than that in studying one single Chapter of our Bible.
You don’t get yet, the OP topic is: Homosexuality is not a sin! And goes on to point out what is to beefy the use of mistranslation to condemned it and he use the Bible to support his notions. I got in this by stating that Homosexuality the incline to is not but that gay sex is. You do realize that this topic was posted in Theological concept section of this forum and that the OP makes use of the Christian Bible, do you?

 

[emiliano]

Well, I wasn't joking. I hope you got that...
And are you trying to claim that homosexuality is a mental disorder? Then what about heterosexuality? It's a variation, not a disorder, honey.

Correct, they are sexual deviants and there are many those in humans. Some get turn on by children, we also have male female sodomy, oral sex (animal do it). They are all equally condemned by Christian’s tenets, they are considered against nature and a disordered mind, some people dies as consequence of some kinky sexual practices such as affixation, we also have masochism, all of this fall into the classification of deviant sexual practice and a disordered mind.

 

[Diederick]

You are funny! Two month? And have a very sound understanding of religion and spirituality? Well I have spent more time than that in studying one single Chapter of our Bible.

My sound understanding of religion and spirituality was spurred by those eventful two months, it formed later on.

You don’t get yet, the OP topic is: Homosexuality is not a sin! And goes on to point out what is to beefy the use of mistranslation to condemned it and he use the Bible to support his notions. I got in this by stating that Homosexuality the incline to is not but that gay sex is. You do realize that this topic was posted in Theological concept section of this forum and that the OP makes use of the Christian Bible, do you?

So, what are you saying here? That I can't read?

Lev 20:13
If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood [shall be] upon them.​

​

I lie with men, far from as I lie with women - in fact, I don't lie with women. Does this "law" still apply to me?

Animal are not condemned for their confusion because they are irrational although I understand that in their behavior there is no penetration and ejaculation (I have seen dogs doing it)

In fact, there is actual sex and attempt at reproduction, so I guess you could apply the term Sodomy on these animals. Homosexuality is quite abundant in the animal kingdom, and I'm not talking about a male penguin rubbing up another male penguin - I'm talking about actual homosexual relationships and intercourse. Of course no animal is as refined in its sexuality as we humans are, so don't look for lions trying out 69.

as is the case of humans, irrational animals weren’t given the Moral Law to live by and have no two way communication with their creator and they don’t join the Church either.

So it's only a sin if I join "the Church"? And who told you animals are not rational?

 

[emiliano]

The key would be researching why the American Psychiatric Association changed the classification of homosexuality as a mental disorder in their diagnostic manual in 1973.

Do you have any idea of much money the industry that was create out of this produces?
I can tell you that is a lot more than what could be made treating this mind disorder.

 

[emiliano]

Emiliano, what Laws of God do you habitually break? There are over 600 of them. Have you researched all of them? Or do you just concentrate on the perception of homosexuality as a sin?

Romans2:23Thou that makest thy boast of the Law, through breaking the Law dishonourest thou God? 24For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.

:cover:

None that I obstinately refused to repent for.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

None that I obstinately refused to repent for.

Jesus is watching.

Give pride a chance.

 

[emiliano]

My sound understanding of religion and spirituality was spurred by those eventful two months, it formed later on.

So, what are you saying here? That I can't read?
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I lie with men, far from as I lie with women - in fact, I don't lie with women. Does this "law" still apply to me?

In fact, there is actual sex and attempt at reproduction, so I guess you could apply the term Sodomy on these animals. Homosexuality is quite abundant in the animal kingdom, and I'm not talking about a male penguin rubbing up another male penguin - I'm talking about actual homosexual relationships and intercourse. Of course no animal is as refined in its sexuality as we humans are, so don't look for lions trying out 69.
So it's only a sin if I join "the Church"? And who told you animals are not rational?

I think that you finally got it, you cannot join a Christian Church and be an unrepeated practicing homosexual intent on continuing in your habits, it against Christianity tenets.You will be excommunicated.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Do you have any idea of much money the industry that was create out of this produces?

I can tell you that is a lot more than what could be made treating this mind disorder.

One major reason that it's not considered a disorder is because the diagnosis was imprecise, and "treatments" were unsuccessful.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

I think that you finally got it, you cannot join a Christian Church and be an unrepeated practicing homosexual intent on continuing in your habits, it against Christianity tenets.You will be excommunicated.

hahaha

Now how many pastors or preists have been excommunicated for this?

A threat for excommunication for homosexuality is as hypocritical as it is silly and empty.

"You'd better watch out, or I'll hit you with my wet noodle!" haha