Homosexuality is not a sin!

[AlsoAnima]

9 times out of 10, any time a male is railing against homosexuality, their railing against male homosexuality. not only does female homosexuality tend to get a pass, but isnt even considered when their going on with their homophobia. might not be true for female homophobes, but generally when a person is railing against homosexuality, its the males their insulting, and not the females.

This is both true an untrue. Many men who are homophobes often suffer from a unhealthy dose of sexism, where they see women as objects that are there to arouse them rather than people, to that end they overlook female homosexuality because to them, "well it's not like they're real people anyway."

 

[tumbleweed41]

The church excommunicate only if there are obstinate disobedience and a refusal to repent, atone and change in any areas of morality, people that divorce, adulterous, murderers, thief , sexually immoral, envious, just try to confess any of this sin and tell them that you have not intention to repent and change and you will excommunicate before you can say what!

Once again you have avoided the specific transgressions listed in Romans 1.

 

[JMorris]

This is both true an untrue. Many men who are homophobes often suffer from a unhealthy dose of sexism, where they see women as objects that are there to arouse them rather than people, to that end they overlook female homosexuality because to them, "well it's not like they're real people anyway."

very true:yes:

 

[emiliano]

This is both true an untrue. Many men who are homophobes often suffer from a unhealthy dose of sexism, where they see women as objects that are there to arouse them rather than people, to that end they overlook female homosexuality because to them, "well it's not like they're real people anyway."

This is an angle that I miss when a read the scriptures, I thought that from what I read in Paul’s Epistle to the Romans this unnatural behavior came about as a consequence of men sins, and he claimed that it was God’s curse on them.

Rom 1:26
For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature.
Rom 1:27
Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due. ​

I don’t think that the reason that we don’t think often of the sin of lesbianism is not due that we think less of women but that it is more to do with the fact that we are responsible to God for their conduct.

Rom 1:24
Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, ​

Is not that we don’t care, it is just that we feel responsible or at least that is the way it was in Paul’s times, I don’t see acceptance for this behavior in our time either other ways there would less activism amongst lesbian and in gay men.

 

[AlsoAnima]

This is an angle that I miss when a read the scriptures, I thought that from what I read in Paul’s Epistle to the Romans this unnatural behavior came about as a consequence of men sins, and he claimed that it was God’s curse on them.

Rom 1:26
For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature.
Rom 1:27
Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due. ​

I don’t think that the reason that we don’t think often of the sin of lesbianism is not due that we think less of women but that it is more to do with the fact that we are responsible to God for their conduct.

Rom 1:24
Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, ​

Is not that we don’t care, it is just that we feel responsible or at least that is the way it was in Paul’s times, I don’t see acceptance for this behavior in our time either other ways there would less activism amongst lesbian and in gay men.

They're not talking about reproduction hun. They're talking about lust.

 

[emiliano]

They're not talking about reproduction hun. They're talking about lust.

I thought that they are talking about dishonor, shameful unnatural acts that are a form of punishment. Why are this act all of the above?

 

[Diederick]

This is cute, but doesn't prove your point (I'm talking about the IP here).

Sin is the concept of a religious conviction, different religious convictions have different sins. No religious conviction, Atheism, has no sins at all. So it depends on who you ask whether homosexuality is a sin. You may have proven to some Christians that homosexuality is not a sin, but other versions of Christianity will still keep on *****ing about them gays.

If you'd ask me I'd say no, not just because I'm experiencing it right now, but also because the only reason to find it anything but a positive is the sort of obstruction to reproduce. I find it quite beautiful, as it adds to the diversity of life on earth.

 

[Diederick]

Again the instinct to procreate is perfectly natural is the instinct to preserve one’s gene pool, preserve the species (you know that God did it, don’t you)

Has it ever occurred to you that the bodies of homosexual men are still built, fired up, and attempting to "preserve one’s gene pool, preserve the species". Gay men want to have children just as much as straight men do. Their sex is still a natural urge to achieve that.

 

[dawny0826]

This keep on coming up, I am under the impression that you save people, I is clear that we can’t, Jesus said that no one comes to him unless God draws them to Him, then again it is clear that is not in us to save. We just release the word and it will bring those that God elect, God is not running for office so He does not lie to become popular, when God cleanses they change, they become new creatures that live a spiritual life and are in control of the flesh and it desires. I am amaze at the power that these people exert, they have managed to get Christianity to abandon their tenets for new seductive ones, people become saviors/Christ, they want to force the Church to marry them or loose their tax exception, there has been cases where gay atheist have demand to be marry and when turn down have use the IR to punish them, the flesh and it desires becomes stronger than God, you can tell all kinds of people that they are saved but they can be till God says that they are, the Lord gave a warning about this in

Mat 16:26
For what profit is it to a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul? Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul? ​

In addition if the Epistles are God inspired; then we must be careful of what we approve in the Church, we must be ruled by God’s instructions so when it comes to marriage for example we must be ruled by

Mar 10:7
'For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, ​

The only way we can help these people is to pray for them, to ask God to have mercy on them not to compromise our tenets to please them.

Jesus saves. But when commissioned to share the news of Christ with others...how can we do that, if we push them away? And that's precisely what we do too often.

 

[emiliano]

Jesus saves. But when commissioned to share the news of Christ with others...how can we do that, if we push them away? And that's precisely what we do too often.

Who is pushing them away? They been called to repentance and abstinence from sexual immorality often enough, that is all we can do, they choose to remind in their sins encourage by those that accept distortions of Christianity's tents. What we are call to do is to call sinners to repentance.

Mar 6:12
So they went out and preached that [people] should repent.
Luk 13:3
I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish.
Luk 17:4
And if he sins against you seven times in a day, and seven times in a day returns to you, saying, 'I repent,' you shall forgive him." ​

 

[Diederick]

Who is pushing them away? They been called to repentance and abstinence from sexual immorality often enough, that is all we can do, they choose to remind in their sins encourage by those that accept distortions of Christianity's tents. What we are call to do is to call sinners to repentance.

Really, a positive approach might be helpful to your cause (which I absolutely do not support). Saying people are sinners and that they will burn in hell if they don't change something as personal as their sexual conduct - is not a good welcome message.

Saying something like: "You will go to heaven, and always have the good Lord on and by your side, etc. And oh yeah, having sex with another man is considered a sin, so maybe you'd want to try and steer clear from such conduct."

It's still the same religious bull****, but at least you present it wrapped as a gift rather than extorting people. See the difference: "You must repent, or else!" and the alternative: "Please repent, and you will receive..."

 

[Big_TJ]

Yeah, but how do you feel about those lesbians?

:yes: :yes:

don't tell me about double-standard. I have NO problem with them!

 

[Big_TJ]

I was just asking because it's been my experience that ordinarily the non-religious guys who have trouble gayness in men love the idea of lesbians. So I thought maybe if he's into that sort of thing he could just go ahead and support gay marriage anyway, for the sake of the lesbians.

Why should I care who someone want to marry???? If you (and I don't mean YOU personally) want to marrry 100 men or 100 women, what does that has to do with me? It is rediculous how some people thinks that if they don't like something then no one should have it. I am homophobic but I don't care less who you marry or sleep with..

 

[Alceste]

I don’t think that the reason that we don’t think often of the sin of lesbianism is not due that we think less of women but that it is more to do with the fact that we are responsible to God for their conduct.

:biglaugh:

I'll be sure to give out your insurance details next time I'm in a fender bender then.

 

[Big_TJ]

Well have a look at your body and pay attention to your reproductive organs, where do you think that it fit and for what purpose?

Do you think that an homosexual would have the same interpretation??

It is built for the purpose of procreation and that is nature a natural instinct.

Where did you get this crap?? While procreation is a possible product of intercourse, where do you get it that intercourse is "built for the purpose of procreation"?

Reason determines it, have another look at it.

But my point is that this is YOUR reason; not everyone elses.

Again the instinct to procreate is perfectly natural is the instinct to preserve one’s gene pool, preserve the species (you know that God did it, don’t you)

So I guess you are against person who do not procreat. Let me ask you a question: How do you feel about a male that have a male lover plus a female lover for procreation purposes? What would be wrong with that arrangement?

Again reason and perception, I said that I believe that is a thought disorder affecting perception a disorder mind, but folks in here get very touchy about this, so I hope that you get it.

You are missing the potty completely with this crap, read the OP and think of what is it that we are discussing, then make a bigger effort to think again and read what my position is, the incline to homosexuality is not a sin, having gay sex is, this was presented in the religious context that is why religious concepts are been used, I can't say that I hate them because I don’t, I don’t want them in my Church unless they repent and change, most of them turn to an anti-Christianity type of atheism so there is no problem, at work and in the community is different thing altogether, this OP was put up for discussion in a religious section of the forum so we discuss in a religious way. What your reasons are to hate them? And what do you do? You been a man, man and all it could be interesting,

Now this is your church's position; not God's. The "bible" talks about lusting as a sin, so why isn't homosexual urge sinful, given that homosexuality is sexual feelings for the same sex?

I suggest that you dump the crap about using your silly religious belief to justify an action that you perhaps personally dislike

 

[Alceste]

Why should I care who someone want to marry???? If you (and I don't mean YOU personally) want to marrry 100 men or 100 women, what does that has to do with me? It is rediculous how some people thinks that if they don't like something then no one should have it. I am homophobic but I don't care less who you marry or sleep with..

That's the spirit!

You're my kind of homophobe!

 

[Big_TJ]

This is both true an untrue. Many men who are homophobes often suffer from a unhealthy dose of sexism, where they see women as objects that are there to arouse them rather than people, to that end they overlook female homosexuality because to them, "well it's not like they're real people anyway."

This is the SILLIEST thing I have have ever heard (read)!!!!!!! Where did you get this crap?

 

[darkendless]

:biglaugh:

I'll be sure to give out your insurance details next time I'm in a fender bender then.

:biglaugh:

They didn't have fender benders in the dark ages where Emiliano is from though. SO he probably has no idea what you're on about.

 

[JMorris]

This is the SILLIEST thing I have have ever heard (read)!!!!!!! Where did you get this crap?

reality. i understand if thats a hard concept for a homophobe to grasp.

 

[Diederick]

I am homophobic...

So, you say you are sincerely AFRAID of homosexuals? This strikes me as odd, since we commonly look quite common. Actually, it's quite difficult to pick us out of a crowd.

Or are you only afraid of certain people of whom you know they are homosexual? I mean, if you don't know something is a spider, how can you be Arachnophobic about it?

Please talk to me, I have never come across an actual homophobe.