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Homosexuality is not natural and is not normality

Ingledsva

HEATHEN ALASKAN
Sorry to all that has a problem with the word unnatural but
Romans 1:31-32
Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Romans 1 is talking about Sacred Sex with the Sacred Prostitutes, which makes it Idolatry. It says so!

Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of Deity into a lie, and worship and render religious homage to the "Act of Creation" more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

Also - you make a point of using the word - unnatural, apparently thinking this "without natural affection" has something to do with homosexuals. It doesn't.

The word is - astorgos - meaning - hard hearted.

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Brickjectivity

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Romans 1 is talking about Sacred Sex with the Sacred Prostitutes, which makes it Idolatry. It says so!

Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of Deity into a lie, and worship and render religious homage to the "Act of Creation" more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

Also - you make a point of using the word - unnatural, apparently thinking this "without natural affection" has something to do with homosexuals. It doesn't.

The word is - astorgos - meaning - hard hearted.

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Do you think this is alluding the to proscription in Exodus 20:26? To me it seems like it.
 

leibowde84

Veteran Member
Romans 1 is talking about Sacred Sex with the Sacred Prostitutes, which makes it Idolatry. It says so!

Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of Deity into a lie, and worship and render religious homage to the "Act of Creation" more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

Also - you make a point of using the word - unnatural, apparently thinking this "without natural affection" has something to do with homosexuals. It doesn't.

The word is - astorgos - meaning - hard hearted.

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Great point. Paul always gets to me as he never met the living Jesus, and I have a hard time believing his "vision" story (which sounds just like an epliptic episode). But, even giving him the benefit of the doubt, it seems clear that your interpretation is much more reasonable than the more popular one.
 
Romans 1 is talking about Sacred Sex with the Sacred Prostitutes, which makes it Idolatry. It says so!

Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of Deity into a lie, and worship and render religious homage to the "Act of Creation" more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

Also - you make a point of using the word - unnatural, apparently thinking this "without natural affection" has something to do with homosexuals. It doesn't.

The word is - astorgos - meaning - hard hearted.

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Maybe you should have read the before context before replying
Romans 1:27
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
 

Nietzsche

The Last Prussian
Premium Member
Sorry to all that has a problem with the word unnatural but
Romans 1:31-32
Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
You're free to think that. You are not free to enforce it.
 
Do you think this is alluding the to proscription in Exodus 20:26? To me it seems like it.

Romans 1:25-27
Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

It was talking about changing truth to a lie you are correct, But vs. 26 has that key phrase " for this cause" or b/c they changed the truth into a lie God gave "them to vile Affections, for even women did change the Natural use into that which is against Nature" and likewise the men
 

Robert.Evans

You will be assimilated; it is His Will.
Complete garbage.

I'm surprised this OP actually took on several pages of commentary. It's just absolute garbage.

However, I must applaud you. It's not often that something so absurd get's posted for the rest of us to laugh at.

Here's a slow clap to you.
What is wrong with it?
 

leibowde84

Veteran Member
Maybe you should have read the before context before replying
Romans 1:27
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
This passage seems to be aimed at sexul indecency in general (outside of commitment/marriage). Homosexuality is just the example used, imho.
 

Brickjectivity

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Romans 1:25-27
Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

It was talking about changing truth to a lie you are correct, But vs. 26 has that key phrase " for this cause" or b/c they changed the truth into a lie God gave "them to vile Affections, for even women did change the Natural use into that which is against Nature" and likewise the men
Hi. Actually I was addressing Inglesdva's comment and did not at all suggest that Exodus said anything about truth or lies. Its a passage about the altar that says "Neither shalt thou go up by steps unto mine altar, that thy nakedness be not discovered thereon." (KJV Exodus 20:26). I was saying that could relate to what Ingledsva said, her explanation for the passage in Romans; because she says its a passage against temple prostitution. To me this has a lot of support.

A lot of people today and in the past have or had sexual requirements in their worship, whereas I think Jews were and are forbidden to require sex in relation to their liturgies. Eli's sons Hophni and Phineas I think broke this law in requiring the female temple servants to have sex. (1 Samuel 2:22) Anyway I think every one of the laws is important, so it doesn't surprise me for Paul to refer to this particular one; though I am not able to read Greek like Ingledsva. I think this law means you cannot require sex as part of worship. So from that I was thinking it strengthened Ingledsva's arguments but was just checking to see if she agreed about it.

As for me I think that the NT letters that often are considered to be about homosexuality usually are actually not talking about it. Many passages both NT and OT that I used to think were about it actually were about other things, but not necessarily all; so that causes me to stop and rethink all of them. I think that Ingledsva may have a point on this one at least.

Two books that I find influential on this subject: The New Testament and Homosexuality by Robbin Scroggs and And God Said: How Translations Conceal the Bible's Original Meaning by Joel M. Hoffman. I think that Robbin Scroggs book is short and could use more material but is helpful. Mr. Hoffman's book is very general and just talks about the troubles with translating from the Biblical languages into English and the various problems it introduces.
 

leibowde84

Veteran Member
Example for vile affections, enough said
Right, but there is nothing in there that claims that homosexual activities are any worse than heterosexual activities outside of marriage, is there?

So, imho, according to the Bible, God would have no issue with same-sex marriage, as commitment to another person seems to be the major qualifying factor.
 
Neither is religious homophobia. Who cares what other people get up to in the bedroom? It's a private matter and nobody else's business.

Even without religion involved one can see it is not a normal thing to do.Feces comes out of there.It is an exit,not an entrance.You are absolutely correct.What people do in the bedroom is their business.Everyone has free will and can do what ever they want.But,if one wants to be a true christian,then,they can not be participating in this type of behavior.Simple.There is no homophobia here.I do not hate or dislike gay people.I do not agree with the practice, but to each, his or her own.
 

Brickjectivity

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Even without religion involved one can see it is not a normal thing to do.Feces comes out of there.It is an exit,not an entrance.You are absolutely correct.What people do in the bedroom is their business.Everyone has free will and can do what ever they want.But,if one wants to be a true christian,then,they can not be participating in this type of behavior.Simple.There is no homophobia here.I do not hate or dislike gay people.I do not agree with the practice, but to each, his or her own.
Pee comes out of penises. Babies come out of vaginas. Men have useless nipples. None of it makes sense. No kind of sex ever made sense, because its always gooey, dirty, stinky and not very good looking. Ask any sane 10 year old what they think when you tell them about sex for the first time. "Yuck!"
 
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