Homosexuality is not natural and is not normality

[Rick O'Shez]

A few years ago an English MP in goernment said there was a link between the two.

You need to reference claims like this.

 

[Robert.Evans]

I would probably trust a link to a peer reviewed published article in a journal with decent references.

Also - It is seriously hard to take it seriously when there are ferences to homosexual culture and homosexual, lifestyle and movement.

It would be nice to see something official that is for sure. But is that possible? I am not sure if people are allowed to chase after such things.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Most of us know that it is not the majority that are doing things wrong, even if we do say the quick '''them'' or ''men''or ''women'' etc.

It would be refreshing to see modern Christians give more attention to Christ's core teaching of unconditional love in the New Testament, instead of harping on about cultural homophobia in the Old Testament.

 

[Robert.Evans]

That doesnt say that they want to have sex with children. That is about acknowledging that we are sexual beings and experience sexuality early in life, that does not mean HAVE SEX NAO WIF ME.

You must be desperate to try and make us out to be pedos

If this quote is correct: [children] "deserve the right to sexual expression with whoever they choose. '', then it seems rather shocking to me.

 

[Robert.Evans]

I know that science for your people is like holy water to a vampire, but why not take a look at an overview by a professor at UC Davis: Facts About Homosexuality and Child Molestation.

Now whose grouping everybody together. I have no problem with science.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

If this quote is correct: [children] "deserve the right to sexual expression with whoever they choose. '', then it seems rather shocking to me.

Reference please.

 

[Robert.Evans]

Actually, transgender men have successfully gestated and birthed healthy offspring AND have successfully breastfed their newborns. One of our breastfeeding support organizations helped a trans man do exactly that.

You mean a woman that thinks he is a man? That whole thing makes me feel quite ill... just my opinion.

 

[Robert.Evans]

What is wrong with it?

Has anyone here arguing against homosexuality as being natural and normal passed a basic level of high school logic education? Numerous sexually reproducing species, especially among primates, engage in a wide range of sexual behaviors. That settles the "is it natural" debate. Of course it is because it happens. Here is the argument about natural vs. unnatural. Does it happen? Yes. Do we observe it? Yes. Is there some unknown as to why it happens? No. Therefore it's natural.

The normalcy debate. Only by confining the definition of normal to a base mathematical concept the existence of homosexuality and it's practice is normal. Why? Because first of all it is natural. Second of all there is no known disease which causes homosexuality. The definition of normal differs among different scientific endeavors. Among the maths it involves the means. Or the averages for some. However, despite that, just because something doesn't meet a mathematical average doesn't mean it isn't normal in the psychological or medical sense.

So what's wrong with it? Everything is wrong with it. Because the individual who created the thread did so in absolute ignorance.

That's ...... "The End"........as another poster who likes to state I'm about to address.



It's a sin only if an individual is willing to believe in the mythology that you wholesale believe in. I don't. So where are with this? You believe it's a sin because some old scroll declared such. However, I rely upon natural observation and recognize that the idea of "sin" is nothing more than a cultural construct varying from one ethnic group to the next. Yet you declare it is a sin, hands down. I disagree. I say it is not a sin. And my statement carries as much weight as yours.

So where are we now?



Here's the "The End" individual. There is no scientific evidence showing that homosexuality, or other forms of human sexuality to broaden the argument as would be appropriate, is a disorder caused by lust and sin. Hell, even the certain protestant groups decided that heterosexuality was a disorder because they viewed the damnation of some ridiculous deity upon female kind when kicked out of the absolutely absurd mythology of a "Garden of Eden" should define sexual congress rather than relying upon natural observation.

I completely disavow your mythological understanding of sin. I say it's nonsense.

Care to provide empirical evidence otherwise? I seriously doubt it.

I skimmed your post. You seem to be saying that same gender is okay, is normal. It is not. If you say that is, then you have to say murder is. If so, why have prisons. You are being philosophical I think.

 

[Robert.Evans]

But this cultural homophobia in the Old Testament seems completely at odds with Christ's message of unconditional love.

I don't think it does show him saying ''unconditional love'' does it? There are laws to keep. That is it. Those who do not are thrown out and killed before him.

 

[Robert.Evans]

But following that reasoning you could say a mouth is for consuming food and drink, and nothing more. So oral sex would be a definite no-no, even kissing becomes a bit dubious. This line of thinking seems very prudish and downright silly.

I guess it depends on where your moral line in the sand is. We all have our own ideas of what is right or wrong.

Do you really care about what other people get up to in the bedroom?

It would not matter so much if it were private, but it is not. A story: you are in the UK. Do you recall the Mail saying that a primary school had a story they read to the children about a prince who was not happy; so they looked for a princess; but it turned out he was happy with another prince? Do you recall. The book was taken off the shelves because Muslims complained. Christian whites complained, but they did not listen to them. So we see, from an early age, that children are being told that it is okay, when it is not. Period. It is not normal. It just isn't. Plus aids is still seen mostly in gay men and is on the increase, going off the last report I saw which was official and posted somehwer on this site.
Everything is judged spiney, everything.

And how is it any of your business when we talking about consenting adults?
And why would a supreme creator be concerned with what people get up to in the bedroom? It seems like a ridiculous idea to me. It's much more likely that as usual humans are projecting their own biases onto their idea of "God".

Everything we see here is a representation of something. Say for example you saw your own finger poking out from beneath a cloth and you did not like it, nor knew it was your finger, so you chop it off with an axe. It seemed like nothing at the time as you did not see the connection, but afterwards, you would see the pain and damage caused. Things are important, they mean something. Being here in the physical realm is not a joke. We are judged for everything.

 

[Robert.Evans]

It would be refreshing to see modern Christians give more attention to Christ's core teaching of unconditional love in the New Testament, instead of harping on about cultural homophobia in the Old Testament.

It's in the NT as well

 

[Robert.Evans]

Reference please.

It was in the link given that I was posting to. look back

 

[Robert.Evans]

You need to reference claims like this.

It might be this one: I have not read the site.

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[Brandon Brossett]

I know that science for your people is like holy water to a vampire, but why not take a look at an overview by a professor at UC Davis: Facts About Homosexuality and Child Molestation.

It's written by

Interesting. I have heard of these things before, but as it is not mainstream now they are ignored or dismissed or people are too frightened to speak of it. A few years ago an English MP in goernment said there was a link between the two. He was forced to retract his statement, but note, he was not forced to say it was wrong. Make of that what you will.

It would certainly make sense, from a purely common sense pointof view, if they did, as some men and women look for younger partners of the opposite s-x, so it would seem farily obvious that men who lie with men would do the same with their own s-x.

yea this mainstream site has deleted some of my post also if that tells u anything

 

[LuisDantas]

You mean a woman that thinks he is a man?

Transgenderism goes far beyond "thinking" that one is of the opposite gender from that of one's birth, trust me.

That whole thing makes me feel quite ill... just my opinion.

That you feel ill on learning of that is probably a fact, not an opinion. Nevertheless, it is a shame. It betrays a sore lack of fraternity and compassion.

Or perhaps just a lack of care of knowing what you are giving opinions about. That, too, is a shame, since you are judging the rights of people who want to seek their full happiness.

I skimmed your post. You seem to be saying that same gender is okay, is normal. It is not.

It actually is. What is not normal and not okay is its rejection by whole societies.

If you say that is, then you have to say murder is. If so, why have prisons. You are being philosophical I think.

I hope you reconsider this pointless insult sooner rather than later.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

It's in the NT as well

Even if it was, the same cultural homophobia would have been present then too. It saddens me that modern Christians are not able to separate the wheat from the chaff on issues like this.

 

[Brandon Brossett]

It would be refreshing to see modern Christians give more attention to Christ's core teaching of unconditional love in the New Testament, instead of harping on about cultural homophobia in the Old Testament.

This forum is homosexuality isn't natural this was the top not harping
And yes God is love but he is also just and homosexuality is nothing more that sin according to the bible

 

[Rick O'Shez]

This forum is homosexuality isn't natural this was the top not harping

Yes, though the thread was started by a Catholic, and as usual people have tried to justify homophobia with religious dogma. There are so many of these discussions here, I find them tiresome and rather depressing.

 

[LuisDantas]

Depressing they certainly are. One wonders how come we even managed to overcome slaver mentality.