Homosexuality is not natural and is not normality

[dgirl1986]

The North American Man-Boy Love Association, or NAMBLA, is “a group that openly promotes sex with minor boys and claims that boy-lovers respond to the needs of the boys they love,” Baldwin said in his report.
Read more at Report: Pedophilia more common among ‘gays’

I would probably trust a link to a peer reviewed published article in a journal with decent references.

Also - It is seriously hard to take it seriously when there are ferences to homosexual culture and homosexual, lifestyle and movement.

 

[Brandon Brossett]

the homosexual magazine “Guide” said, “We can be proud that the gay movement has been home to the few voices who have had the courage to say out loud that children are naturally sexual” and “deserve the right to sexual expression with whoever they choose. …” The article went on to say: “Instead of fearing being labeled pedophiles, we must proudly proclaim that sex is good, including children’s sexuality … we must do it for the children’s sake.”
Read more at Report: Pedophilia more common among ‘gays’

 

[dgirl1986]

the homosexual magazine “Guide” said, “We can be proud that the gay movement has been home to the few voices who have had the courage to say out loud that children are naturally sexual” and “deserve the right to sexual expression with whoever they choose. …” The article went on to say: “Instead of fearing being labeled pedophiles, we must proudly proclaim that sex is good, including children’s sexuality … we must do it for the children’s sake.”
Read more at Report: Pedophilia more common among ‘gays’

That doesnt say that they want to have sex with children. That is about acknowledging that we are sexual beings and experience sexuality early in life, that does not mean HAVE SEX NAO WIF ME.

You must be desperate to try and make us out to be pedos

 

[dgirl1986]

The only guide magazine I can find is a christian one for kids

 

[gsa]

the homosexual magazine “Guide” said, “We can be proud that the gay movement has been home to the few voices who have had the courage to say out loud that children are naturally sexual” and “deserve the right to sexual expression with whoever they choose. …” The article went on to say: “Instead of fearing being labeled pedophiles, we must proudly proclaim that sex is good, including children’s sexuality … we must do it for the children’s sake.”
Read more at Report: Pedophilia more common among ‘gays’

I know that science for your people is like holy water to a vampire, but why not take a look at an overview by a professor at UC Davis: Facts About Homosexuality and Child Molestation.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I got to ask this. You mean to tell me that my sexual orientation (straight, gay, bi, whatever) has something to do with whether I have a higher chance of molesting young boys?

Also, I find it odd trust any study that applies bias as to what the majority of homosexuals act like and try to apply it to the majority of homosexuals who do not fit the conclusion of those studies.

Maybe the studies have a point in themselves; but, sexual orientation has nothing to do with pedophilia. Everyone has a choice to sleep with whomever they wish regardless of their attractions. So, maybe finding a way that sexual orientation and pedophilia have something in common may make the argument for homosexuality and pedophilia to have some credibility.

The North American Man-Boy Love Association, or NAMBLA, is “a group that openly promotes sex with minor boys and claims that boy-lovers respond to the needs of the boys they love,” Baldwin said in his report.
Read more at Report: Pedophilia more common among ‘gays’

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Like I said say something about procreation or wait maybe y'all have liberal scientists that say a man had a baby

Actually, transgender men have successfully gestated and birthed healthy offspring AND have successfully breastfed their newborns. One of our breastfeeding support organizations helped a trans man do exactly that.

 

[Drolefille]

Weird, as someone who worked with child sexual abuse victims, it's known that the vast majority of child molesters are heterosexual men.

 

[gnomon]

What is wrong with it?

What is wrong with it?

Has anyone here arguing against homosexuality as being natural and normal passed a basic level of high school logic education? Numerous sexually reproducing species, especially among primates, engage in a wide range of sexual behaviors. That settles the "is it natural" debate. Of course it is because it happens. Here is the argument about natural vs. unnatural. Does it happen? Yes. Do we observe it? Yes. Is there some unknown as to why it happens? No. Therefore it's natural.

The normalcy debate. Only by confining the definition of normal to a base mathematical concept the existence of homosexuality and it's practice is normal. Why? Because first of all it is natural. Second of all there is no known disease which causes homosexuality. The definition of normal differs among different scientific endeavors. Among the maths it involves the means. Or the averages for some. However, despite that, just because something doesn't meet a mathematical average doesn't mean it isn't normal in the psychological or medical sense.

So what's wrong with it? Everything is wrong with it. Because the individual who created the thread did so in absolute ignorance.

That's ...... "The End"........as another poster who likes to state I'm about to address.

Homosexuality is sin not a disorder

It's a sin only if an individual is willing to believe in the mythology that you wholesale believe in. I don't. So where are with this? You believe it's a sin because some old scroll declared such. However, I rely upon natural observation and recognize that the idea of "sin" is nothing more than a cultural construct varying from one ethnic group to the next. Yet you declare it is a sin, hands down. I disagree. I say it is not a sin. And my statement carries as much weight as yours.

So where are we now?

It is a disorder caused by lust and sin.

Here's the "The End" individual. There is no scientific evidence showing that homosexuality, or other forms of human sexuality to broaden the argument as would be appropriate, is a disorder caused by lust and sin. Hell, even the certain protestant groups decided that heterosexuality was a disorder because they viewed the damnation of some ridiculous deity upon female kind when kicked out of the absolutely absurd mythology of a "Garden of Eden" should define sexual congress rather than relying upon natural observation.

I completely disavow your mythological understanding of sin. I say it's nonsense.

Care to provide empirical evidence otherwise? I seriously doubt it.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

It is in the OT law Spiney.

But this cultural homophobia in the Old Testament seems completely at odds with Christ's message of unconditional love.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

The Mosaic Law

But where does the New Testament show Jesus displaying homophobic attitudes?

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Your attitude speaks volumes.

As does yours, I'm afraid. All I see in these discussions is homophobia thinly disguised as religious dogma.

 

[Robert.Evans]

I was thinking the same thing.Lol.. I like it too.I was trying to change things up.I guess if it aint broke don't fix it huh.

haha... yeah, good to see you back. You looking so down makes me feel a little better

 

[Robert.Evans]

I'm aware that coming as we are through the middle ages where so many things have been politicized and lost and found again and lied about and reiterated and used for evil and good -- that Bible translations are somewhat questionable. I realize that we are looking at a history of a lot of unnecessary trouble when we look at the history of Bible translations, and I realize that the Bible has been abused to support southern USA slavery, South American slavery and many other bad things. I'm aware that the current popular translations sell well to the current group of Christians who think anything icky or different must automatically be evil, who think its convenient to ignore the plight of the weak and vulnerable while we watch television and eat on couches. We think its OK to only occasionally contribute and perfectly Christian to just sometimes do a good deed. We are the brother of the destroyer in this sense. It stands to reason that we would accuse homosexuals of all of the evil that we ourselves are guilty of, because that is what guilty people do. So we continue to stand behind these poor translations that help no one.

They are still the word of God though. It is still scripture.

 

[Robert.Evans]

In your religion it is. Not all religions are the same.

To say it is a sin is to say it is wrong, which clearly it is. One does not need a diagram to understand what the different body parts a for. Adulterating anything is wrong. This is not difficult.

 

[Robert.Evans]

We don't need an argument against procreation.

Homosexuality just is, and does nothing to heterosexuals.

And by the way - many gay people procreate.

*

Which might be a way that Aids spread more?

 

[Robert.Evans]

I would never speak against procreation or families. Procreation is important, and families are important. They are very important.

I think also being single is important. Nobody should feel pressured to be a sexual performer. Some people would rather not deal with sex at all, but society is always trying to push people a certain way. Everything has a kind of sexual cost to it. If you don't fit into the network of sexual support then you are treated like you have no worth, and that isn't good. Well, I think homosexuals kind of fall into that same area, where society puts all of the 'Old people' and the 'Nerds' and the 'Losers'. They don't fit into the specific expectations people have. I get that, and so I have some kind of empathy. It sucks to not fit in, but its worse when people say you're evil for it.

I think that is because it is not normal.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

One does not need a diagram to understand what the different body parts a for.

But following that reasoning you could say a mouth is for consuming food and drink, and nothing more. So oral sex would be a definite no-no, even kissing becomes a bit dubious. This line of thinking seems very prudish and downright silly.

Do you really care about what other people get up to in the bedroom? And how is it any of your business when we talking about consenting adults?
And why would a supreme creator be concerned with what people get up to in the bedroom? It seems like a ridiculous idea to me. It's much more likely that as usual humans are projecting their own biases onto their idea of "God".

 

[Robert.Evans]

The North American Man-Boy Love Association, or NAMBLA, is “a group that openly promotes sex with minor boys and claims that boy-lovers respond to the needs of the boys they love,” Baldwin said in his report.
Read more at Report: Pedophilia more common among ‘gays’

Interesting. I have heard of these things before, but as it is not mainstream now they are ignored or dismissed or people are too frightened to speak of it. A few years ago an English MP in goernment said there was a link between the two. He was forced to retract his statement, but note, he was not forced to say it was wrong. Make of that what you will.

It would certainly make sense, from a purely common sense pointof view, if they did, as some men and women look for younger partners of the opposite s-x, so it would seem farily obvious that men who lie with men would do the same with their own s-x.

 

[Robert.Evans]

You really want me to drag out all of your faith's dirty laundry? Stuff that the majority of it had nothing to do with just like here?

So? What is the point. Most of us know that it is not the majority that are doing things wrong, even if we do say the quick '''them'' or ''men''or ''women'' etc.