Homosexuality. Why is it wrong?

[snl2240]

Prove to me with a non-religious argument that homosexuality hurts the human race in any facet.

 

[MissAlice]

It's contagious don't ya know and if we let these people practice homosexuality, soon everyone will be gay and then the human race will die out because no one will want to make babies with each other. In other words, men will decide to snatch children from the cribs of heterosexual couples and to raise em' up like mommy and daddy thus leaving the children confused about their privates. Women will eventually decide that perhaps making babies isn't in their cards and start hanging out for a good time at the women lib's bar. It'll become just as catastrophic as a matriarchal society in which men do the raising while the women decide what roles suit best for the men.






/sarcasm

 

[Landerage]

Homosexuality sometimes is not chose by the human being itself. Sometimes it's the bad environment of parents treating their boy same as a girl, sometimes it's a personal issue such as a 6 years old being assaulted sexualy by a man which would leave a trace and affect the sexual path, aswell as many reasons.
So for this category of homosexuals who did not choose to be that way, I don't think humans have the right to deprive them from going the way they are, because it's not easy for anyone of them to not be a homosexual, it's same as telling s straight person to be a homosexual. I know it have negative effects on societies, the human race, and biologically, but the blame is in most cases not to be put on the person itself but more the reasons that drove him consciously or unconsciously to be the way he is.

 

[snl2240]

Thank you for the typical response in your experience.

I will now address that: If it is "contagious" what pathogen causes it? Can you show it scientifically? If this is in staid a form of societal pressure why have homosexuals chosen to go against society in the current state of things when they are hated by some with such fervor.

In fact a larger homosexual population might benefit the planet less people mean less resources, but I seriously doubt this will happen since homosexuality has existed in one form or another since the beginning of mankind.

If parents are loving and sincere to their children, in most cases, nothing but good will come of it.

I for one would favor a matriarchal society(I hate work, and want kids dearly), but this is still besides the point.

 

[snl2240]

Homosexuality sometimes is not chose by the human being itself. Sometimes it's the bad environment of parents treating their boy same as a girl, sometimes it's a personal issue such as a 6 years old being assaulted sexualy by a man which would leave a trace and affect the sexual path, aswell as many reasons.
So for this category of homosexuals who did not choose to be that way, I don't think humans have the right to deprive them from going the way they are, because it's not easy for anyone of them to not be a homosexual, it's same as telling s straight person to be a homosexual. I know it have negative effects on societies, the human race, and biologically, but the blame is in most cases not to be put on the person itself but more the reasons that drove him consciously or unconsciously to be the way he is.

Wow, are you serious? :sorry1: couldn't resist.

It seems as though you're confusing homosexuality with pedophilia. What two consenting adults do with one another is no one's business except theirs. It hasn't been defined as a mental disease since I believe about the 1950's when it was cleared by the the brightest minds in the field of physiology.

 

[Acim]

Prove to me with a non-religious argument that homosexuality hurts the human race in any facet.

1 - Like heterosexual bias, it tries to lock human sexuality into one form of sexual expression, and can confuse those who are otherwise bisexual, but are being told, "what you don't like only people of the opposite sex? This means you're homosexual, and we have lots of literature around now to help you understand yourself. Meet with people just like you. Welcome to the club."

2 - If everyone did it, the human race would possibly be extinct. (Yet another reason why bisexuality makes sense.)

3 - Given social mores, or current conditions, homosexuality could, rather easily, be used against a person (in power) and thus blackmailed. If this person holds enough power, it would hurt a facet of the human race, unless they are willing to sacrifice their career and deal with the shame that some may put on him. Could even be homosexuals if this person of power was say pro homosexual rights, but whole bunch of liberal homosexuals vehemently disagreed with his economic politics and pounced on him as soon as he had this perceived political weakness (how dare he hide his homosexuality from us!).

 

[Landerage]

Wow, are you serious? :sorry1: couldn't resist.

It seems as though you're confusing homosexuality with pedophilia. What two consenting adults do with one another is no one's business except theirs. It hasn't been defined as a mental disease since I believe about the 1950's when it was cleared by the the brightest minds in the field of physiology.

I don't know what science have to say but I'm talking from a personal of view. I am homosexual but I was never asked if I wanted to be or not, I just am and it's something out of my own will and I'm not ashamed or anything. Many reasons led to that way including getting assaulted by someone when I was young, social reasons but not a reason of a personal choice. Those who wana fight homosexuality and i do agree, should see the reasons first.

 

[Father Heathen]

I know it have negative effects on societies, the human race, and biologically

Such as....? That's what the OP is asking.

 

[Father Heathen]

2 - If everyone did it, the human race would possibly be extinct.

But that would never happen. It's so laughably absurd that I don't understand why anyone would even try to bring it up as an argument against homosexuality.

 

[snl2240]

1 - Like heterosexual bias, it tries to lock human sexuality into one form of sexual expression, and can confuse those who are otherwise bisexual, but are being told, "what you don't like only people of the opposite sex? This means you're homosexual, and we have lots of literature around now to help you understand yourself. Meet with people just like you. Welcome to the club."

2 - If everyone did it, the human race would possibly be extinct. (Yet another reason why bisexuality makes sense.)

3 - Given social mores, or current conditions, homosexuality could, rather easily, be used against a person (in power) and thus blackmailed. If this person holds enough power, it would hurt a facet of the human race, unless they are willing to sacrifice their career and deal with the shame that some may put on him. Could even be homosexuals if this person of power was say pro homosexual rights, but whole bunch of liberal homosexuals vehemently disagreed with his economic politics and pounced on him as soon as he had this perceived political weakness (how dare he hide his homosexuality from us!).

1 - That's quite a unique argument, but I can't see any reason why bisexuality is preferable to any kind of sexuality in that case everyone should just be accepted for who they are.

2 - In this case just plain heterosexuality would be much more preferable if you think that the human race is in fact in danger of becoming extinct from lack of procreation.

3 - Given social mores, Just because they exist does not make them right this is an argument from popular authority. Do what we say or we'll punish you cause your different. I think these should change, they aren't a reason to keep things the same.

 

[snl2240]

I don't know what science have to say but I'm talking from a personal of view. I am homosexual but I was never asked if I wanted to be or not, I just am and it's something out of my own will and I'm not ashamed or anything. Many reasons led to that way including getting assaulted by someone when I was young, social reasons but not a reason of a personal choice. Those who wana fight homosexuality and i do agree, should see the reasons first.

I'm very sorry you were attacked and you're allowed to think this effected your sexuality irreparably, but that doesn't change the fact there are lots of healthy adults who engage in homosexual activities and feel that they were born that way, not influenced by forces outside of their control.

 

[Yeshe Dawa]

Hi everyone!

I never understood the idea of arguing for/against homosexuality. It's like making arguments for/against being tall or short. You either are or you're not. If you are, there's nothing you can do about it. It's not like people go out and choose to be homosexual, or bisexual, or heterosexual, or transgendered. Sure, you can intimidate people into complying with a certain set of rules, but it doesn't change who they are. It's a question of tolerance.

Peace and blessings,
Yeshe
:flower2:

 

[Many Sages One Truth]

Prove to me with a non-religious argument that homosexuality hurts the human race in any facet.

Homosexuality isn't wrong, not even in a religious context. Religious people who condemn homosexuals often take the most rigid, narrow minded view of their religion and scriptures it's possible to take. Notice, you don't hear much about homosexuality from moderate Christians or Muslims.

There is no argument for homosexuality being immoral. People that dislike it either find it icky or have deep-seated insecurities.

 

[Many Sages One Truth]

I don't know what science have to say but I'm talking from a personal of view. I am homosexual but I was never asked if I wanted to be or not, I just am and it's something out of my own will and I'm not ashamed or anything. Many reasons led to that way including getting assaulted by someone when I was young, social reasons but not a reason of a personal choice. Those who wana fight homosexuality and i do agree, should see the reasons first.

You're gay? Wow I feel sorry for you. I know you feel bad experiences may have caused your homosexuality, but it did not cause mine. I was born gay. As for it being harmful to society- in what way?

 

[Skwim]

Homosexuality isn't wrong, not even in a religious context. Religious people who condemn homosexuals often take the most rigid, narrow minded view of their religion and scriptures it's possible to take. Notice, you don't hear much about homosexuality from moderate Christians or Muslims.

There is no argument for homosexuality being immoral. People that dislike it either find it icky or have deep-seated insecurities.

Not necessarily true at all. Those who read the Bible literally take up god's attitude toward homosexual acts for their own, trying to be more god-like as it were. "If hating those who practice homosexuality is good enough for my god then it's good enough for me."

 

[Many Sages One Truth]

Not necessarily true at all. Those who read the Bible literally take up god's attitude toward homosexual acts for their own, trying to be more god-like as it were. "If hating those who practice homosexuality is good enough for my god then it's good enough for me."

That's just it though. They may think the Bible saying it means God is saying it, but the Bible is also the product of human beings and the culture it was written in. The ancient Israelites saw homosexuality as a threat to their survival, because they lived in a very unforgiving climate where procreation was crucial to their population, even more so since they were warriors.

 

[Me Myself]

We need more homosexuallity to help us with the demographic problems.

More homosexuality would mean more foster parents for the chinese kids in adoption, and would mean more money and food four our next generation.

But more importantly, women who are still heterosexual may be desperate enough to actually date me

 

[etherealascension]

Bisexual fellow here. The only reason people have a problem with it is their own personal biases and preconceptions. Anything beyond that is just grasping for straws for any reason to be against homosexuality. They create a conclusion and look for the arguments later. Homosexuality is rare enough that it would not have an effect on the growth of humanity, although I wish it would. Our planet is overpopulated enough, I don't think it would be dangerous for our population to start a slow decline over time.

Personally, I don't see why people dislike the idea of same sex relationships. If you wanna be heterosexual, go for it, no one's stopping you. In turn, I want to be able to be in a gay relationship without judgment. I guess that makes me wrong, immoral, and evil.

 

[snl2240]

Bisexual fellow here. The only reason people have a problem with it is their own personal biases and preconceptions. Anything beyond that is just grasping for straws for any reason to be against homosexuality. They create a conclusion and look for the arguments later. Homosexuality is rare enough that it would not have an effect on the growth of humanity, although I wish it would. Our planet is overpopulated enough, I don't think it would be dangerous for our population to start a slow decline over time.

Personally, I don't see why people dislike the idea of same sex relationships. If you wanna be heterosexual, go for it, no one's stopping you. In turn, I want to be able to be in a gay relationship without judgment. I guess that makes me wrong, immoral, and evil.

Not at all I was simply trying to find a good secular argument, I'm a bit of a debater and I've always thought the same. Just wanted to see who'd come out of the woodwork.

 

[Me Myself]

Bisexual fellow here. The only reason people have a problem with it is their own personal biases and preconceptions. Anything beyond that is just grasping for straws for any reason to be against homosexuality. They create a conclusion and look for the arguments later. Homosexuality is rare enough that it would not have an effect on the growth of humanity, although I wish it would. Our planet is overpopulated enough, I don't think it would be dangerous for our population to start a slow decline over time.

Not dangerous? Is urgent. We need a QUICK decline on population.

Homosexuality is the only way to do that without war.

We need. more. HOMOSEXUALS!

NOW! O_O