Homosexuality

[Evangelicalhumanist]

The very idea that morality is about pleasing or appeasing something or someone is, to me, a great sign of stupidity and childishness. Morals are supposed to be a position on issues of values and rules of conduct as they relate to human wellfare and flourishment.

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Well said, @epronovost

 

[MyM]

My questions are for YOU to answer, and excusing yourself by falling back on your faith isn't going to work. It's a cop-out.

Would you like it if you were forsaken by your loved one and friends because of your sins? What if you were legally discriminated against solely based on your sins? What you were denied medical care, health insurance, renting or buying a home, adopting a child, and you were denied service in a public business based solely on your sins? These are questions for YOU to answer.

If it is FOR ME, I would say, I would not be in that situation. I am very religious and I try to do by what my Creator wants. If you are sayin, that I was to be a homosexual and that happen. Well, I wouldn't be one.

 

[Secret Chief]

There's no frubal for "tacky stereotype."

That's a shame because my hairdresser is a lesbian (which I've already mentioned in your thread "I don't particularly...")

 

[JustGeorge]

Why do you think it is a "choice?"

Ah, you're right. You'll have to excuse me for a poor choice of words, as I was waking up when I wrote that post. I don't think its a choice.

 

[SomeRandom]

The very idea that morality is about pleasing or appeasing something or someone is, to me, a great sign of stupidity and childishness. Morals are supposed to be a position on issues of values and rules of conduct as they relate to human wellfare and flourishment.

I agree. But a lot of religions prefer a “simpler approach” shall we say. Like Jesus using the parables to explain certain lessons or indeed the folklore in my culture used to explain customs and ethics

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I have nothing against homosexuals, but in all the Abrahamic religions, it is forbidden. God detests it and their books testify to this fact.

I think it is hugely more likely that those human members of the Abrahamic religions (particularly the priests) hated it, and in their hatred endowed the deity that they created in their books with their hate. In other words, they created God in their own image.

 

[MyM]

I think it is hugely more likely that those human members of the Abrahamic religions (particularly the priests) hated it, and in their hatred endowed the deity that they created in their books with their hate. In other words, they created God in their own image.

Islam doesn't believe that.

 

[Ashoka]

The city of sodom and gomorah was completely destroyed....the Creator detested it. If you want someone to think you deserve the right to not be disowned, that is up to them. It's also between you and your Creator and you already know what that is.

Ezekiel 16:49-50: "Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. 50 They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen."

^^^ THIS is why they were destroyed. It had nothing to do with homosexuality. In fact, the word doesn't appear in the Bible until 1946; the verse in Leviticus was referring to pedophilia, which was common in Greece among the time the Israelites came in contact with them. They were disgusted (as one is) and made a rule against it.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I'm following from @Vouthon's thread which seems to be going in a different direction.

I saw on there some folks saying that essentially homosexual kin should be let go of. I first would like to know how Christians accord this with 'forgive seventy times seven' and eating with sinners and so on, and second how could any person, in his heart, disown a brother or sister or whoever, or a friend, for this? One can disagree with the behaviour, or one can repudiate the person, but I don't think this is an issue like murder or rape, by any means. In every other area of his life he could be a stellar person, a model student, a great giver, a considerate worker, but you're going to kick him out because he fell in love with another boy?

Could you find it in yourself to disown someone over this? Some of your friends may be closeted, some may be out, some may be your brothers or sisters.

Is this the way forward? I disagree massively with what the LGBT movement has done and become and I do not own any of that. But that is not what I'm talking about.

It's a total non-issue.
It wouldn't even occur to me. The idea to me is beyond absurd.

Like disowning someone because they have freckles or blue eyes.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Islam doesn't believe that.

Didn't imply it does. But I certainly do.

 

[MyM]

Ezekiel 16:49-50: "Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. 50 They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen."

^^^ THIS is why they were destroyed. It had nothing to do with homosexuality. In fact, the word doesn't appear in the Bible until 1946; the verse in Leviticus was referring to pedophilia, which was common in Greece among the time the Israelites came in contact with them. They were disgusted (as one is) and made a rule against it.

That is how you want to believe it. Many don't see it that way and in Islam, it is exactly because of the homosexuality and sins of the city.

 

[MyM]

Didn't imply it does. But I certainly do.

 

[Rival]

That is how you want to believe it. Many don't see it that way and in Islam, it is exactly because of the homosexuality and sins of the city.

In Judaism the main sin of Sodom was inhospitality and general lawlessness. This is why Lot is contrasted with them as, even though he's not seen as a great guy, he's known for being hospitable.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I'm following from @Vouthon's thread which seems to be going in a different direction.

I saw on there some folks saying that essentially homosexual kin should be let go of. I first would like to know how Christians accord this with 'forgive seventy times seven' and eating with sinners and so on, and second how could any person, in his heart, disown a brother or sister or whoever, or a friend, for this? One can disagree with the behaviour, or one can repudiate the person, but I don't think this is an issue like murder or rape, by any means. In every other area of his life he could be a stellar person, a model student, a great giver, a considerate worker, but you're going to kick him out because he fell in love with another boy?

Could you find it in yourself to disown someone over this? Some of your friends may be closeted, some may be out, some may be your brothers or sisters.

Is this the way forward? I disagree massively with what the LGBT movement has done and become and I do not own any of that. But that is not what I'm talking about.

That's why I describe it as a pseudo-psychopathic disorder that severs natural bonds of empathy. And we probably would treat it as a disorder if it didn't have "religion" attached to it.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Okay. But the OP was specific in that it asked whether one would in fact disown someone for this sin.
I have sinned. My own parents have admonished me for committing our version of sin. Many times.
So I mean would disowning someone appease said creator or not?

According to the OT if your own family goes apostate you are to cast the first stone.

 

[SomeRandom]

According to the OT if your own family goes apostate you are to cast the first stone.

To quote a possibly inappropriate movie, boy are they strict

 

[Shadow Wolf]

To quote a possibly inappropriate movie, boy are they strict

Picking up sticks on the Sabbath got a man killed.

 

[Left Coast]

If you are looking for a straight answer, I will only tell you what the religions say.

The city of sodom and gomorah was completely destroyed....the Creator detested it. If you want someone to think you deserve the right to not be disowned, that is up to them. It's also between you and your Creator and you already know what that is.

Contrary to popular belief, Sodom and Gomorrah were not destroyed for their gayness according the Bible.

Have you ever actually read the story?

 

[SomeRandom]

Picking up sticks on the Sabbath got a man killed.

Ahh true

 

[MyM]

Contrary to popular belief, Sodom and Gomorrah were not destroyed for their gayness according the Bible.

Have you ever actually read the story?

yes