Homosexuality

[Left Coast]

yes

Oh. Then you already know this. So Why bring the story up in this thread, if you already know it has nothing to do with homosexuality?

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Though I've been to many churches where this didn't apply, the one that it most did to was far and away Jehovah's Witnesses. But they were equal opportunity family breakers (came not with peace but a sword to divide family, and etc). You can get disowned by merely refusing to be part of the church. Let alone any other sinful behavior. The biggest exception I saw was divorce. Where even abusive or mutually destructive relationships were encouraged to 'try and make it work.'
It ended up with my congregation having a lot of unhappy people whose only source of comfort was how impressed other people were for their 'long suffering dedication.' But this was considered the highest biblical observance of faith.

 

[MyM]

Oh. Then you already know this. So Why bring the story up in this thread, if you already know it has nothing to do with homosexuality?

There are many people who do believe it in the faith of Christianity. Also in Islam. I was just pointing out the fact that the Abrahamic faiths say it was a sin and didn't condone it


But in the Bible it is mentioned quite a few places

 

[Guitar's Cry]

It's a difficult life and often lonely. If two consenting adults want to love one another it seems inhumane to prevent that from happening based on the ethics of an ancient culture, even if you believe in a god that cruel.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

It ended up with my congregation having a lot of unhappy people whose only source of comfort was how impressed other people were for their 'long suffering dedication.' But this was considered the highest biblical observance of faith.

Bearing one's cross is a rather harsh Christian mentality. Southern Baptists are much the same way. Enduring hardships rather than fixing them because they're all trials amd tests from god and we should be thankful for the lessons learned.

 

[mangalavara]

I could never imagine letting go of my son or niece, who recently came out as pan-sexual to me(which I didn't understand the vocabulary, and it had to be explained). My only concern for his future relationships is that he is neither abused or is abusing. His future mate's gender means nothing to me.

You are a good mother!

They treat homosexuality as a special type of sin, but let those who have had sex before marriage, are divorced, liars, squabblers, etc off the hook

Very well said! I've noticed these double standards in some of them myself.

I'm getting increasingly pessimistic and cynical over this non-issue for me. . . . I see it as no different than disowning the child for liking carrots.

I like the way you think, Jī.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Bearing one's cross is a rather harsh Christian mentality. Southern Baptists are much the same way. Enduring hardships rather than fixing them because they're all trials amd tests from god and we should be thankful for the lessons learned.

Yeah. It was unnerving how many wanted me to be unhappy with my 'nonbelieving parents' so they could congratulate me on how 'long suffering' I've been. Especially when I was first brought in around 10.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

If it is FOR ME, I would say, I would not be in that situation. I am very religious and I try to do by what my Creator wants. If you are sayin, that I was to be a homosexual and that happen. Well, I wouldn't be one.

You can try all you want to do what your creator wants, but unless you're completely perfect (in thought, word and deed), you're going to screw up, and you won't always live up to the moral standards of your religion. I seriously doubt that you'd like to be legally discriminated against in society based solely on your failure to live up to the moral standards of your religion. That's my point.

Better yet, what if you're discriminated against because you're Muslim? Have you ever experienced any kind of discrimination for being Muslim? If you have, how did it make you feel? If you haven't, don't you think it would bother you to be singled out and legally discriminated against based solely on the fact that you're Muslim? What if you're denied medical care because you're Muslim?

 

[Father Heathen]

Nowadays, everyone accepts it as "the norm" then, then the norm desensitizes and then it gets put into the system as completely normal.

I have nothing against homosexuals, but in all the Abrahamic religions, it is forbidden. God detests it and their books testify to this fact.

So I guess it boils down to who do you want to please? Your creator or people

There are many religions that claim many things. Of course those claims are meaningless to those who don't believe in or follow those religions. Many self-appointed representatives presume to speak on god's behalf, essentially using him as their ventriloquist dummy.

 

[MyM]

You can try all you want to do what your creator wants, but unless you're completely perfect (in thought, word and deed), you're going to screw up, and you won't always live up to the moral standards of your religion. I seriously doubt that you'd like to be legally discriminated against in society based solely on your failure to live up to the moral standards of your religion. That's my point.

Better yet, what if you're discriminated against because you're Muslim? Have you ever experienced any kind of discrimination for being Muslim? If you have, how did it make you feel? If you haven't, don't you think it would bother you to be singled out and legally discriminated against based solely on the fact that you're Muslim? What if you're denied medical care because you're Muslim?

I am sure this thread isn't about being a Muslim that is discriminated against But sure, there are harsh people in the world no doubt. There will always be haters and bashers.

In Islam, everyone sins. But it's the guidelines that we are to follow and since he, the Creator of you and me know more than we know ourselves, then we try our best to please our creator.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

I am sure this thread isn't about being a Muslim that is discriminated against But sure, there are harsh people in the world no doubt. There will always be haters and bashers.

In Islam, everyone sins. But it's the guidelines that we are to follow and since he, the Creator of you and me know more than we know ourselves, then we try our best to please our creator.

Nice dodge. Personally, I don't see any reason why I, or anyone else, should try to please a creator that allowed six million Jews to be murdered by the Nazis, and allows people to be murdered in cold blood and children to be raped, molested and murdered. The world is full of violence and moral corruption, and the God who created the world does nothing to stop the rampant violence and moral corruption that plagues the world. God is supposedly loving and merciful, and yet he does nothing to stop human suffering.

If God does exist, then he's viciously cruel and apathetic towards human suffering. Unlike devout theists, I don't blame the creation (mankind and/or the devil) for the moral depravity and violence in the world. I blame God, the creator, who has infinite power and infinite knowledge. According to scripture, God foreknew that his creation, mankind, would fall into moral depravity, but he created humanity anyway. If God exists, then he still has infinite power, and he could end human suffering in mere seconds, but he hasn't.

 

[Kenny]

I saw on there some folks saying that essentially homosexual kin should be let go of. I first would like to know how Christians accord this with 'forgive seventy times seven' and eating with sinners and so on, and second how could any person, in his heart, disown a brother or sister or whoever, or a friend, for this?

I have absolutely NO idea

 

[Kooky]

I think we'll find that Christian dogma, morality and ethics - and, indeed, any religious morality - seemingly always conform to what the Christian in question wanted to do, anyway.

 

[Kooky]

Bearing one's cross is a rather harsh Christian mentality. Southern Baptists are much the same way. Enduring hardships rather than fixing them because they're all trials amd tests from god and we should be thankful for the lessons learned.

Which is all too convenient to the people who benefit from these hardships.
Religion has always been an opiate of the masses, even though I do believe it has other purposes besides that.

 

[Left Coast]

There are many people who do believe it in the faith of Christianity. Also in Islam. I was just pointing out the fact that the Abrahamic faiths say it was a sin and didn't condone it


But in the Bible it is mentioned quite a few places

But it isn't mentioned in the story of Sodom and Gomorrah. So anyone who claims to be an Abrahamic believer should at least be aware of what their own book(s) say. The story isn't a condemnation of homosexuality.

 

[Neuropteron]

but I don't think this is an issue like murder or rape, by any means. In every other area of his life he could be a stellar person, a model student, a great giver, a considerate worker, but you're going to kick him out because he fell in love with another boy?

Hi,
"_ I don't think this is an issue like murder or rape"
No, but sodomy is .

Regardless of a persons sexual preferences, God views Immorality as a serious offence.
Nowhere -in the Bible-does God judge homosexual for their inclininations but rather condems them for engaging in ungodly practices.

 

[Kenny]

I'm following from @Vouthon's thread which seems to be going in a different direction.

I saw on there some folks saying that essentially homosexual kin should be let go of. I first would like to know how Christians accord this with 'forgive seventy times seven' and eating with sinners and so on, and second how could any person, in his heart, disown a brother or sister or whoever, or a friend, for this? One can disagree with the behaviour, or one can repudiate the person, but I don't think this is an issue like murder or rape, by any means. In every other area of his life he could be a stellar person, a model student, a great giver, a considerate worker, but you're going to kick him out because he fell in love with another boy?

Could you find it in yourself to disown someone over this? Some of your friends may be closeted, some may be out, some may be your brothers or sisters.

Is this the way forward? I disagree massively with what the LGBT movement has done and become and I do not own any of that. But that is not what I'm talking about.

I like what one person said... "Until you wash a person's feet, you will never understand why they walk the way they walk." and again, "until it drives you to intercede for that person, love has not been manifested".

 

[Vinayaka]

I considered disowning a friend when I was immature. They weren't gay but had some other issue, and I thought I'd help them by making the friendship conditional. This was stupid.

I have become superstitious about judging, because it seems like anything that I criticize someone else for happens to me. I have a partly believed superstition that I am experiencing instant karma. I'm very careful, now, to try not to bring disaster upon myself. I swear my finger must be connected by a string to a boot at my backside.

My advice when disowning a friend is only to do so if they are toxic to you, bringing you down and making you less functional and if you can't avoid them or they won't let you go. There may also be cases where you can simply avoid them, but if toxicity keeps seeking you out then that is a reason to disown.

Mercy is often a function of intelligence on an individual level.

I recently saw a very lengthy video explaining that lead poisoning might explain how the Romans became so exceedingly barbaric. I'm sure people are tired of my reliance upon youtube videos, but sometimes they are very good and have interesting ideas. Ancient people (the video points out) were generally more violent than today, but the Romans embellished the possible ways to die horribly and to make sure someone died in total fear and agony. It was their entertainment, and possibly their lead addled brains had something to do with it.

Spoiler: Empire of Psychopaths (Into the Shadows)

I've unfriended colleagues (half-friends) for being homophobes, racists, or for proselytising at me by making snide remarks. I value association as a human right. Still, I'd help them out of a jam, should it occur.

 

[Sundance]

I'm following from @Vouthon's thread which seems to be going in a different direction.

I saw on there some folks saying that essentially homosexual kin should be let go of. I first would like to know how Christians accord this with 'forgive seventy times seven' and eating with sinners and so on, and second how could any person, in his heart, disown a brother or sister or whoever, or a friend, for this? One can disagree with the behaviour, or one can repudiate the person, but I don't think this is an issue like murder or rape, by any means. In every other area of his life he could be a stellar person, a model student, a great giver, a considerate worker, but you're going to kick him out because he fell in love with another boy?

Could you find it in yourself to disown someone over this? Some of your friends may be closeted, some may be out, some may be your brothers or sisters.

Is this the way forward? I disagree massively with what the LGBT movement has done and become and I do not own any of that. But that is not what I'm talking about.

I’m no Christian, but I – like most other commenters so far – am very devout in my religious beliefs nonetheless.

As to this situation, all I’ll say is that I’m much too soft of heart to be willing to throw someone out onto the street, especially if this is my child. Disowning someone, same deal. Unless someone decides to disrespect me as a person.

 

[Vinayaka]

I’m no Christian, but I – like most other commenters so far – am very devout in my religious beliefs nonetheless.

As to this situation, all I’ll say is that I’m much too soft of heart to be willing to throw someone out onto the street, especially if this is my child. Disowning someone, same deal. Unless someone decides to disrespect me as a person.

What would you do if your gay son (assuming you had one) brought his husband home. Would you allow them to share a bed?