Homosexuality

[Autodidact]

It's not a question of whether or not homosexuals should be embraced or persecuted but rather a question of homosexuality among those professing religious faith, especially in regards to monotheistic religion. The simple fact remains that, in the Abrahamic religions, homosexuality is condemned and all adherents of such religion must shun and condemn those that take part in that which the scriptures calls an abomination.

So you're in charge of determining other people's religious beliefs now? Frankly people's religious beliefs are not my problem, since I don't share them, as long as they don't bother me.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

His best argument seems to be that homosexuality are just like pedophilia and rape. Wonder if he knows the different between consensual and non-consensual sex?

 

[Kerr]

Homosexual or bisexual, .. at the end of the day it's a matter of people who lack discernment and the ability to restrain unnatural desires.

Or their natural desires. It does not matter if they are unnatural or not.

By the way, what about asexuality? Is it as unnatural and evil as homosexuality in your opinion?

 

[Moonstone]

It's good to know that there are religions out there that have no problem with sexuality (of either the hetero or homo kind). Not all christian denominations are so repressive either.

It's also good to know that this is a forum intended for all faiths (and those with none) to seek understanding with one another and not just a platform for particular faiths to proselytize.

The idea that who I choose to love somehow threatens you is pathetic. If you weren't so obsessed with what happens in my bedroom (and with sex in general) then you would have a much healthier life.

wa:do

That is so well put painted wolf! :yes:

 

[Kerr]

Don't bother Kerr he just keeps repeating things like a broken record

And I happen to be stubbern .

 

[rafi]

well I'm sure most people who take this line of argument indulge themselves in plenty of other "Unnatural" practices such as eating mass produced and processed food, sitting at a desk job all day, using artificial light in their homes etc etc etc.

I think that's a great follow up for a debate in terms of Apollonius saying homsexuality/bisexuality is unnatural, but it's unwise to feed into the argument like it's valid. I know we're on the same side but I know, at least for me, it's annoying to have to try to indulge that stance.
Homsexuality/Bisexuality is not unnatural.
I repeat : http://www.news-medical.net/news/2006/10/23/20718.aspx

 

[Autodidact]

Homosexual or bisexual, .. at the end of the day it's a matter of people who lack discernment and the ability to restrain unnatural desires.

Unnatural desires are not at issue here; we're discussing natural homosexual desires.

If there's a single group who can't restrain their sexual desires, it's heterosexual men, what their propensity to rape, molest children, pay prostitutes and have sex with as many women and girls as possible. If you're going to try to combat sexual libertinism, I suggest you focus your energy there. btw, are you one?

 

[Apollonius]

Don't bother Kerr he just keeps repeating things like a broken record

Consistency is the key.

 

[Autodidact]

Appollonius: can you define your usage of "natural" for us? Thanks.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

I dunno, I think homosexuality is natural. I'm naturally attracted to the same sex, I don't feel sexual attraction to the opposite sex.

 

[Moonstone]

Consistency is the key.

Ok tell me this. Why would a God (who is supposed to be all loving) punish someone just for loving someone else of the same sex? Since when should love be punished? Shouldn't hate be punished?

 

[FlyingTeaPot]

Appollonius, It's YOU who is saying homosexuality is unnatural. You made an assumption and are arguing a straw man. It has been shown as fact that even animals have homosexual tendencies. When you come from a standpoint of opinion rather than fact, you are likely to come to the wrong conclusions. At the end of the day, homosexuality is natural. You are entitled to your opinion, misguided as it may be, but you cannot state opinion as fact.

 

[bossbozz]

I think that's a great follow up for a debate in terms of Apollonius saying homsexuality/bisexuality is unnatural, but it's unwise to feed into the argument like it's valid. I know we're on the same side but I know, at least for me, it's annoying to have to try to indulge that stance.
Homsexuality/Bisexuality is not unnatural.
I repeat : 1,500 animal species practice homosexuality

I agree that homosexuality is a part of natural life. I was just trying to highlight the hypocrisy of the "Unnatural" argument in how people choose to use that term to demonise one thing because they don't agree with it yet completely accept other things that are undeniably unnatural.

 

[Apollonius]

If there's a single group who can't restrain their sexual desires, it's heterosexual men, what their propensity to rape, molest children, pay prostitutes and have sex with as many women and girls as possible.

It is a mistake to refer to such creatures as 'men'.

If you're going to try to combat sexual libertinism, I suggest you focus your energy there. btw, are you one?

I agree that all misappropriate sex violators should be exposed and punished. As for myself, I can easily live without sex (and have for long intervals in my life) were I to so choose. The impetus for sex has always been for me one in which a loving and caring couple wish to express the special affection they have for one another, the feelings which have drawn them together and the expression of which is intended to keep them together.

 

[Apollonius]

Ok tell me this. Why would a God (who is supposed to be all loving) punish someone just for loving someone else of the same sex? Since when should love be punished? Shouldn't hate be punished?

Much too often people confuse lust for love.

 

[Autodidact]

It is a mistake to refer to such creatures as 'men'.

That depends, do they put sugar on their oatmeal?

I agree that all misappropriate sex violators should be exposed and punished. As for myself, I can easily live without sex (and have for long intervals in my life) were I to so choose.

I take that as a yes, you belong to the most dangerous and predatory sexual group on the planet?

The impetus for sex has always been for me one in which a loving and caring couple wish to express the special affection they have for one another, the feelings which have drawn them together and the expression of which is intended to keep them together.

Me too. See, we have so much in common.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

Much too often people confuse lust for love.

That's just plain hypocrisy. Gay people know what love is. I could say the same thing about heterosexuals Apollonius, but I won't, know why? Because I'm not out to criticize people for their sexuality. Straight people were born that way.

 

[Autodidact]

Much too often people confuse lust for love.

That's true, but irrelevant here.

 

[Apollonius]

It has been shown as fact that even animals have homosexual tendencies.

However, we are called upon to separate ourselves from the animals.

 

[Autodidact]

However, we are called upon to separate ourselves from the animals.

That's not the point, the point of that is that it's natural. It's also moral, but not because animals do it, but for other reasons.