Homosexuality

[tarasan]

Which of those categories does bigoted troll fall into?

me? I dont like people making fun or belitting gays as much as you, I just dont like hypocites who make it look like the side of repecting Gay right are into hating. it makes us look no better.

 

[tarasan]

Which of these does "homophobe" fall under?

it dots so i assume if wiki could be bothered it would get to it.

 

[tarasan]

Nice, now if you're going around calling out the 'Hate Speech' of Pagans and Atheist then you should do the same with your 'kin'. And not just in this thread but any where there is hatred toward Homosexuals and the like. Because if you haven't noticed, there are a few Christians on here the spew 'Hate Speech' on the forum about other the don't believe the way. So why not go focus on them too?

Why when its quite clear that they are doing it, of course those people are spouting hate speach very one knows on this forum. why would I repeat what has already been stated rather well by others on this thread? the fact is no one ever points out the hate speech coming from the other side so i applauded when someone did.

 

[monta]

me? I dont like people making fun or belitting gays as much as you, I just dont like hypocites who make it look like the side of repecting Gay right are into hating. it makes us look no better.

I wans't directing it at you, I have no idea what your opinions are on the matter, but what parts of soleils posts did you find to be most worthy of respect? and what part of my post, that you commented on did you find disrespectful?

 

[tarasan]

I wans't directing it at you, I have no idea what your opinions are on the matter, but what parts of soleils posts did you find to be most worthy of respect? and what part of my post, that you commented on did you find disrespectful?

what the whole hate SPEECH thing, nothing merely I thought u were trying to defeat his statment by saying his english was bad. I respect him because he called out the hate speech/type like this

Originally Posted by MSizer
Are you implying that obnoxious pudgy bible toting white men are not all living the pinnnacle of a moral life?

by definition that is hate speech and it does nothing for the cause of people who want to stand up for gay rights if anything it just cements people within their belief because they feel that YOU are the one trying to supress them. although ur disrespect wasnt hate speech, it was merely you trying to diswade a good point by commenting a english error.

 

[monta]

what the whole hate SPEECH thing, nothing merely I thought u were trying to defeat his statment by saying his english was bad. I respect him because he called out the hate speech/type like this

I think rather than an understanding of English, a profound lack of understanding by soleil what hate speech actually entails is at the heart of the matter, what hate speech did soleil point out?

 

[tarasan]

I think rather than an understanding of English, a profound lack of understanding by soleil what hate speech actually entails is at the heart of the matter, what hate speech did soleil point out?

im going to ask you to look at this:

Hate speech is a term for speech intended to degrade a person or group of people based on their race, gender, age, ethnicity, nationality ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech

then look at the example I gave above and tell em how it doesnt... cause it seems pretty obvious to me from where i am sitting.

 

[monta]

im going to ask you to look at this:

Hate speech is a term for speech intended to degrade a person or group of people based on their race, gender, age, ethnicity, nationality ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech

then look at the example I gave above and tell em how it doesnt... cause it seems pretty obvious to me from where i am sitting.

I have read the wiki definition, here is a legal one,

threatening, abusive or insulting and are intended or, having regard to all the circumstances, are likely to stir up hatred" against "a group of persons in the State or elsewhere on account of their race, colour, nationality, religion, ethnic or national origins, membership of the travelling community or sexual orientation

Can you show examples of the hate speech soleil was subjected to or not?

 

[tarasan]

I have read the wiki definition, can you show examples of the hate speech soleil was subjected to or not?

ok this is a little suspicious as i already gave one to you...... however i shall comply

Originally Posted by stiletto
Because people who make such claims (that gay people are trying to force themselves on others), are typically ignorant, narrow-minded, inbred fools that bully and mistreat minorities, try to force their own warped views on others, and who don't have the most basic understanding of equal rights.

this doesnt answer anything it is merely degrading and insulting to the people who make the claim that gay people force themselves onto you, there is nothing concrete merely conjecture.

Originally Posted by enchanted_one1975
Because the homophobes that think this believe they benefit in two ways:
1) It helps their ego to think we want them.
2) It gives them a reason to hate us.

again this gives us nothing it is merely mockery. clearly hate speech as defined.




Originally Posted by MSizer
Are you implying that obnoxious pudgy bible toting white men are not all living the pinnnacle of a moral life?

a mockery of christianity, again just insulting and degrading the people in question who dont agrove.


So as you can see they are clearly degrading them, or at least stating things they know will degrade them because of their point of view. I will put up the deifintion again.

Hate speech is a term for speech intended to degrade a person or group of people based on their race, gender, age, ethnicity, nationality ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech

 

[tarasan]

I have read the wiki definition, here is a legal one,

Can you show examples of the hate speech soleil was subjected to or not?

hahahahaha!! that one is far better thank you and again is even clearer that it is in fact hate speech. so thank you for helping me prove my point.

 

[monta]

hahahahaha!! that one is far better thank you and again is even clearer that it is in fact hate speech. so thank you for helping me prove my point.

And still not cogent argument or example to back it up. I am very patient, you take your time, I going to get a cup of coffee.

 

[tarasan]

And still not cogent argument or example to back it up. I am very patient, you take your time, I going to get a cup of coffee.

I just gave u three examples.....merely degrading me wont make those go away...... maybe instead of just swatting them away with a sentence, you can take them and tell me why they arent good examples and how my statements are wrong.

I too am rather patient especailly if I could be wrong I dont want to think im missrepesenting anyone, I just called it how I saw it, if however you are merely going to throw away the examples I gave in my OP then maybe your just stalling or something waiting for me to get bored......

the examples are over the page btw.

 

[monta]

I just gave u three examples.....merely degrading me wont make those go away...... maybe instead of just swatting them away with a sentence, you can take them and tell me why they arent good examples and how my statements are wrong.

I too am rather patient especailly if I could be wrong I dont want to think im missrepesenting anyone, I just called it how I saw it, if however you are merely going to throw away the examples I gave in my OP then maybe your just stalling or something waiting for me to get bored......

the examples are over the page btw.

I said examples of hate speech. I don't need 3 show me 1.

 

[tarasan]

I said examples of hate speech, those ''examples'' were not hate speech by any stretch of the imagination. Try again.

so your freely admitting that those where not trying to degrade or belittle anyone can you tell me why, which is what ive been asking you to do for quite some time, put in your definition of hate speech and show me how, cause it really looks like your just dismissing them out of hand,

now im getting really suspicious..........

 

[Kerr]

Is it just me, or is this thread going quite off-topic?

 

[monta]

so your freely admitting that those where not trying to degrade or belittle anyone can you tell me why, which is what ive been asking you to do for quite some time, put in your definition of hate speech and show me how, cause it really looks like your just dismissing them out of hand,

now im getting really suspicious..........

I am asking you, repeatedly to show me an example of hate speech, you are showing me examples of mild annoyance, do you honestly believe that people spent time and money creating and enforcing laws to ensure no one is allowed hurt someones feelings?

The rules of this forum are much more prohibitive than hate speech legislation and those comments didn't even contravene them!

 

[tarasan]

Is it just me, or is this thread going quite off-topic?

your right man its gone hugely off topic, i think ill quite im not getting anywhere with monta she just spouting the same stuff over and over, please feel free to get this back on topic

 

[joea]

Why do some people in society say gay people are trying to force ourselves on them, just because we feel we deserve the equal right to marraige benefits? Is it not pushing to gay people for straight couples to hold hands and kiss in public?

I have no problem with Gay people. It's the gay haters, I have a problem with..

 

[tarasan]

I am asking you, repeatedly to show me an example of hate speech, you are showing me examples of mild annoyance, do you honestly believe that people spent time and money creating and enforcing laws to ensure no one is allowed hurt someones feelings?

The rules of this forum are much more prohibitive than hate speech legislation and those comments didn't even contravene them!

then tell me how with your definition, they were not belittling people, if we use your definition, mild annoyance can definately be hate speak expecailly if it was used to insult someone as your definition says but kerr is right we are going off topic and im clearly not getting anywhere with you, you sited, a "proper" definition that you refuse to go back to instead relying on your opinions, you refuse to deal with my quotes of people merely shugging them off, clearly you are refusing to deal with the material at hand and what i thought could have been resolved in a few posts you have draged out for ages refusing to deal with anything I have put down. I refuse to have anything more to say on the subject.

also as a side not would you consider calling someone a "***** ***" hate speach? I am not aiming this at anyone or say it is my view, but if such language would be considered hate speach I see no reason why what has been said on this thread is.

 

[monta]

then tell me how with your definition, they were not belittling people, if we use your definition, mild annoyance can definately be hate speak expecailly if it was sued to insult someone as your definition says but kerr is right we are going off topic and im clearly not getting anywhere with you, you sited, a "proper" definition that you refuse to go back to instead relying on your opinions, you refuse to deal with my quotes of people merely shugging them off, clearly you are refusing to deal with the material at hand and what i thought could have been resolved in a few posts you have draged out for ages refusing to deal with anything I have put down. I refuse to have anything more to say on the subject.

All you have to do is show me how those quotes fall into the legal definition of hate speech, how they

are threatening abusive or insulting and are intended or, having regard to all the circumstances, are likely to stir up hatred" against "a group of persons in the State or elsewhere on account of their race, colour, nationality, religion, ethnic or national origins, membership of the travelling community or sexual orientation

And not Or