horrors of religion

[dogsgod]

I can see your tactic for avoiding direct questions, or maybe I'm somehow hard to understand,if so I apologize. THE QUESTION WAS NEVER ABOUT WHY THE US IS IN IRAQ, although you seem to want to make it the main point, if so maybe the thing to do is to start your own thread on "imperialist Troop in Iraq"

Now concentrate-----The discussion is why troops are in Iraq, and we are NOT talking about why Politically, also why are those exposing themselves to death every moment NOT brave? Give it a try, I know you can do it!!

How about you explain why you believe troops are in Iraq.

 

[richardlowellt]

How about you explain why you believe troops are in Iraq.

Because they were Order To Go.

 

[richardlowellt]

How about you explain why you believe troops are in Iraq.

Sorry, because they were ordered to go. The point being, soldiers do as they are told, fight who there Government tells them to fight, if the government is wrong, then attempt to change it with your vote. Soldiers can not chose what war they will fight is, can not chose to not fight in battle, our troops are there simply because our Government, right or wrong, has ordered them to go.

 

[richardlowellt]

How about you explain why you believe troops are in Iraq.

Further, for you to propose that being there and exposing yourself to death every moment is NOT brave, is shameful on your part.

 

[richardlowellt]

Hitler was using his armies to invade and occupy countries in Europe and Japan attacked the US for cutting off their oil supply, and those have zero to do with why the US is in Iraq other than the fact that the US, Britain, and Canada etc., are now the invaders and occupiers. Spare me the white hat bull ****, I know damn well what's going on.

Hitler was in fact absorbing all of Europe and had his sights on America, his vision of world domination was clear.

Yes the US cut off Japans oil supplies, do you know why?

 

[dogsgod]

Sorry, because they were ordered to go. The point being, soldiers do as they are told, fight who there Government tells them to fight, if the government is wrong, then attempt to change it with your vote. Soldiers can not chose what war they will fight is, can not chose to not fight in battle, our troops are there simply because our Government, right or wrong, has ordered them to go.

Why enlist in the first place, why enlist in an imperialist army? If my country was invaded I'd enlist, but when my country is hell bent on imperialistic goals there's no point putting my neck on the line for corporate elitists that don't give a damn about people.

 

[richardlowellt]

This whole conversation on reminds me of this little ditty . . .

Thanks, very nice, now go to bed.

 

[richardlowellt]

Why enlist in the first place, why enlist in an imperialist army? If my country was invaded I'd enlist, but when my country is hell bent on imperialistic goals there's no point putting my neck on the line for corporate elitists that don't give a damn about people.

You'll have to ask someone who enlisted.

 

[dogsgod]

Further, for you to propose that being there and exposing yourself to death every moment is NOT brave, is shameful on your part.

If my coubtry was invaded I'd enlist, but if situations are so bad on the home front that I have to enlist in the army, why would I feel brave by finding myself defending Mr Huge corporation's right to sell pop on the corner of every street in Baghdad? And meanwhile activists are fighting for human rights back in the country where I'm from. That's where the fight for our freedoms take place, right here at home. Politicians don't grant us freedoms, activists have fought them for every freedom we have. Women fought for the right to vote. Blacks in the US fought for the right to vote. Gays are fighting for their rights, woman are trying to gain autonomy over their own bodies, right now in the US activists are fighting the government to grant tax paid health care for everyone regardless of class. Meanwhile our brave troops are working for the profit security of Mr Huge Corporation. I don't think brave is how I'd feel if I found myself in Baghdad.

 

[dogsgod]

The money's good. Think about a depraved sexual act you would never in a million years do. You'd reconsider performing said act if a billion dollars were involved. No?

Well, if you put it that way...

 

[richardlowellt]

If my coubtry was invaded I'd enlist, but if situations are so bad on the home front that I have to enlist in the army, why would I feel brave by finding myself defending Mr Huge corporation's right to sell pop on the corner of every street in Baghdad? And meanwhile activists are fighting for human rights back in the country where I'm from. That's where the fight for our freedoms take place, right here at home. Politicians don't grant us freedoms, activists have fought them for every freedom we have. Women fought for the right to vote. Blacks in the US fought for the right to vote. Gays are fighting for their rights, woman are trying to gain autonomy over their own bodies, right now in the US activists are fighting the government to grant tax paid health care for everyone regardless of class. Meanwhile our brave troops are working for the profit security of Mr Huge Corporation. I don't think brave is how I'd feel if I found myself in Baghdad.

Instead of going on a tirade a simple answer would suffice. I am not at all interested in your political views. No I don't think brave is how you would feel, terrified more than likely.

 

[dogsgod]

Instead of going on a tirade a simple answer would suffice. I am not at all interested in your political views. No I don't think brave is how you would feel, terrified more than likely.

Would you feel brave?

 

[richardlowellt]

Would you feel brave?

I have been in combat, no one ever feels brave, you may reflect back on your situation and conclude that yes I was brave, or someone might tell you what you did took bravery, feeling brave is the wrong word, feeling confident, feeling well prepared might be a better. I never felt terrified, apprehensive maybe, concerned, but never terrified, I had too much confidence in my abilities and those of the people I was with. Training, keeping a clear head, relying on my comrades all were important in keeping me alive.

 

[nonbeliever_92]

The same could be said of science.

I say both science's good and religion's good outweighs (but not by far) their bad, as both have helped people live good lives AND helped shape civilization as we know it, yet both have been responsible for catastrophes.

I disagree, the benefits and fruits because of the application of science outweigh the faults greatly, the same cannot be said for religion.

Because of what we know from the processes of science we have practically everything we use today and know many many things. Science allows for us to point at a tree and tell of how it came to grow, how it will come to bear future trees and how those trees will grow. Science will allow for us to understand how to use these trees as materials for building things from it. The best religion can do is point at the tree and say "my god did it." From religion prospers blind speculation, from science there produces knowledge.

 

[Riverwolf]

I disagree, the benefits and fruits because of the application of science outweigh the faults greatly, the same cannot be said for religion.

Because of what we know from the processes of science we have practically everything we use today and know many many things. Science allows for us to point at a tree and tell of how it came to grow, how it will come to bear future trees and how those trees will grow. Science will allow for us to understand how to use these trees as materials for building things from it. The best religion can do is point at the tree and say "my god did it." From religion prospers blind speculation, from science there produces knowledge.

You don't need mythology to have religion. It's not about explaining how the world works through speculation; that's the purpose of mythology.

Religion is about self-control and spiritual growth.

 

[Danarch]

You don't need mythology to have religion. It's not about explaining how the world works through speculation; that's the purpose of mythology.

Religion is about self-control and spiritual growth.

If only this stance would spread through the religious world... creationists would realize that their "theory" is no more than mythology gone wrong.

Riverwolf, you give theists a good name:angel2::clap

 

[J Bryson]

I like mythology. I think that much can be learned about societies and how they relate to the universe through mythology. Additionally, myths serve to express ethical and moral values (of varying degrees of usefulness) in a poetic and understandable form.

The problem is when we give more credence to the story than to what the story is attempting to express.

 

[Danarch]

I like mythology. I think that much can be learned about societies and how they relate to the universe through mythology. Additionally, myths serve to express ethical and moral values (of varying degrees of usefulness) in a poetic and understandable form.

The problem is when we give more credence to the story than to what the story is attempting to express.

strangely enough i agree.