horrors of religion

[dogsgod]

My heart goes out to you, you are one of the brave, please be safe.

What's brave about invading and occupying foreign lands so that corporate elites can have their take?

 

[Riverwolf]

If you have actually fantasized what it would be like to stab someone you loved in the back, then I would strongly suggest you seek immediate professional help.

One, not fantasies, but curiosity. Two, it's been a long time since I've had such curiosity. Three, I perfectly accept that part of me as being part of me, and do not let it control my actions. Four, I release my killer instinct in video games like Doom or God of War. Five, I've had therapy before, and that had been a great help to me in coming to grips with what I am comprised of. Six, breathing meditation (admittedly not regular) has done wonders for keeping that side of me tamed.

 

[Riverwolf]

And how could you possibly know what war is like in these days or any other? "All kinds of noise?" There are situations in combat were the silence is deafening!!

I know.

I would freeze once the noise picks up. In silence I'd probably be fine.

Besides, I've heard and read descriptions of war before. I do have an idea as to what goes on. (Though I make no claims as to knowing EXACTLY what goes in a single day of war.)

 

[Riverwolf]

BS, you have no way of knowing just how you would act.

By knowing how I've acted in the past in other situations, and by learning how others like myself have reacted, it's not so hard to figure out how I would MOST LIKELY act.

 

[Thief]

Thief here...Horrors of Religion....sorry I came so late for this one.
I did a quick scan but did not see the real horror.

The horror is not here in this life.
Religion is a practice you perform as you are prepare for your last breath...and the judgment of the angels.

So you think you've seen scary things so far?
Let's take a one liner out of the Book...
"...and He rules with an iron rod."

Let's say it's true. Therefore....
Any hand outstretched will be struck down....and will never offend anyone...ever again.
If He does not like the way you come and go....one stroke to your spine and will not come and go as you did before.
And if He is displeased altogether...one stroke to your crown...and your willfulness will end...altogether.

Man uses wooden rods to convince the convict the error of his ways.
God strikes...not for correction... but end the offense...and one stroke is all it takes.

But that's religion for you. Most people readily quote the Book...but few people question..."what if the words I say are true?"

Most people nod their heads and follow anything....anything at all.
Read any parables lately?

 

[Riverwolf]

No. This I highly doubt. You do not know for a fact that you have a killer instinct. Only serial killers know this.

As far as I can tell, the killer instinct is inherent within the survival instinct.

Again, this is false. No matter how much you think you know yourself you will never know how you will act in a situation like richard has been talking about. Chances are you would probably be consumed with fear. So much so that you couldn't move.

Which is what I said I would most likely do. I once froze up just connecting two car batteries because I was afraid of getting badly zapped, even though NEITHER CAR WAS ON.

I am fully aware that I would almost certainly freeze up in large-scale combat.

The roads were completly silent when we got hit! Yes, the silence can be more frightening than noise.

Duly noted.

Yup, I'd be completely useless in large-scale combat. (If you can even call it combat these days.)

 

[Riverwolf]

What's brave about invading and occupying foreign lands so that corporate elites can have their take?

That's uncalled for. Soldiers are just following orders, and they have a duty to follow them, regardless of how they feel.

This statement belongs to the King, not the pawns.

 

[dogsgod]

That's uncalled for. Soldiers are just following orders, and they have a duty to follow them, regardless of how they feel.

This statement belongs to the King, not the pawns.

Soldiers are just following orders. That was no excuse for the soldiers that were tried and hung at Nuremberg.

 

[Riverwolf]

Soldiers are just following orders. That was no excuse for the soldiers that were tried and hung at Nuremberg.

In combat, soldiers are just the appendages of the commander. (Sorry if this seems cold, but this is the ideal.) When the commander issues an order, and someone doesn't follow it, that person just put the entire squad, and indeed the outcome of the war, at risk.

Now, I am unfamiliar with the incident that you speak of, but I don't follow war news. Perhaps you can enlighten me?

 

[dogsgod]

In combat, soldiers are just the appendages of the commander. (Sorry if this seems cold, but this is the ideal.) When the commander issues an order, and someone doesn't follow it, that person just put the entire squad, and indeed the outcome of the war, at risk.

Now, I am unfamiliar with the incident that you speak of, but I don't follow war news. Perhaps you can enlighten me?

Just following orders was the excuse the Nazis used that were put to trial in Nuremberg after the second world war.

 

[Riverwolf]

Just following orders was the excuse the Nazis used that were put to trial in Nuremberg after the second world war.

Ah. Them.

Were the commanders punished, as well?

 

[dogsgod]

Ah. Them.

Were the commanders punished, as well?

Yes, by the victors of course. However the list of atrocities was reduced to those that only the Nazis committed which narrowed the list down considerably, they couldn't include the atrocities that both sides committed because that would cause problems for the victors.

 

[Riverwolf]

Yes, by the victors of course. However the list of atrocities was reduced to those that only the Nazis committed which narrowed the list down considerably, they couldn't include the atrocities that both sides committed because that would cause problems for the victors.

Obviously. History, after all, is written by the winners, therefore those who win wars cannot commit atrocities. :sarcastic

So do you think averageJOE or richardlowelt should be executed for fighting meaningless wars?

 

[averageJOE]

What's brave about invading and occupying foreign lands so that corporate elites can have their take?

I'm not trying to derail this thread, but...

The US has helped this country (Iraq) more than you probably know. We bring in so much money and jobs into this country that if there was ever a 100% withdrawl thousands of Iraqi families would no longer have any income. There are many, many private businesess that rely soley on American soldiers as their customers. Trust me, they are happy that we are here.

 

[Riverwolf]

I'm not trying to derail this thread, but...

The US has helped this country (Iraq) more than you probably know. We bring in so much money and jobs into this country that if there was ever a 100% withdrawl thousands of Iraqi families would no longer have any income. There are many, many private businesess that rely soley on American soldiers as their customers. Trust me, they are happy that we are here.

It might have been a better idea to not bring up this argument at all.

Therefore I now request that this be the start and end of the discussion as to whether or not the Iraqi war was justified, either at first or later. That's for threads in Political Debates.

 

[dogsgod]

I'm not trying to derail this thread, but...

The US has helped this country (Iraq) more than you probably know. We bring in so much money and jobs into this country that if there was ever a 100% withdrawl thousands of Iraqi families would no longer have any income. There are many, many private businesess that rely soley on American soldiers as their customers. Trust me, they are happy that we are here.

Of course, there's an infrastructure designed to ship out the country's natural resources that no doubt benefit the Iraqis involved in related businesses such as shipping and transportation. The original intent was to transform Iraq into a western corporate paradise complete with agreements that foreign investment would not be subject to Iraqi taxation. For all the Iraqis that benefit many more are desparately poor and the country as a whole will not benefit nor will they be in control of their own resources. We are robbing them and you are helping us make it happen.

 

[dogsgod]

Obviously. History, after all, is written by the winners, therefore those who win wars cannot commit atrocities. :sarcastic

So do you think averageJOE or richardlowelt should be executed for fighting meaningless wars?

I don't think anyone should be executed. I think that war crimes should be dealt with by putting those at the top on trial first. In a perfect world would be soldiers would see through the propaganda bull that our governments spew out and not enlist in the first place, but it doesn't work that way.

 

[ChristineES]

A Pacifist sits and watches as two men surround a family, young mother, father, and three young children, two girls and a boy, both men have guns and begin to torture the mother and children as the father is forced to watch, after raping the young mother she is slowly strangled to death, the attackers now turn on the young girls, soon all will be killed in a most horrible way, the pacifist has access to a gun and at anytime could stop this slaughter, but only by killing both men. In my opinion to sit idly by a do nothing is a criminal offense as well as a moral offense, by doing nothing the pacifist has done as much evil as those who murdered.

And what about the pacifist who throws him or herself in front of the attackers? You really have a low opinion of peaceful people, yet pacifists have a way of sometimes being able to stop violence before it ever happens in the first place.

 

[Riverwolf]

I don't think anyone should be executed. I think that war crimes should be dealt with by putting those at the top on trial first. In a perfect world would be soldiers would see through the propaganda bull that our governments spew out and not enlist in the first place, but it doesn't work that way.

Seems we are in agreement.

 

[richardlowellt]

What's brave about invading and occupying foreign lands so that corporate elites can have their take?

As someone how has never been involved in combat, or fought because your country asked you to, this is exactly the kind of mentality I would expect.