How about Violence be the next "Gay Movement"?

[linwood]

You are boring now. Name calling does little to help your position. When did I say pacifism built the rights we have????????????? I never said that.

I haven`t called anyone any names in this thread at all.
Please cite the post number where I am "name calling".

OK caveman, I agree...

I see you can`t say the same, about name calling that is.

....Does that mean we must change everything with violence? Your assertion that violence is the only way something can change is simply wrong. Yes it was the way of the past and yes it has been pivotal in many cases. However, you can't be that dumb to think the only way going forward is to enact violence to change something.

Please cite the post number where I even came close to implying that violence was "the only way to change anything" or "we must change everything with violence"?
I didn`t.
You`re lying.

This was assuming I had witnessed something violent for arguments sake.

Oh, I`m sorry.
I must have over estimated the quality of the argument you were raising.

So if someone is in the process of hurting someone and they are drugged out of their mind, there are ways to restrain them without violence. This shows your ignorance on methods of restraint without causing pain. Not my problem, that's yours.

Then you can perhaps give me a single example of how you would stop a drug crazed assailant from continuing to batter an innocent victim that does not require violence?
Please do so because I am intimately acquainted with such situations and cannot think of a single non-violent method that would be successful.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Don't be silly, you are confusing pain and pleasure now. Besides I doubt a small beautiful women such as yourself can really get enough velocity on that whip to hurt anyone

You'd be surprised at how much I can make a grown man cry. But feel free to underestimate me, babe. :devil:

 

[Midnight Pete]

We would not be here now to argue if non-violence was so futile. It's because we chose to cooperate and coexist that human civilization exists at all. Can anyone tell me what it is that holds human civilization together and resists anarchy?

 

[Midnight Pete]

You'd be surprised at how much I can make a grown man cry. But feel free to underestimate me, babe. :devil:

Don't do it, Mike!

 

[linwood]

We would not be here now to argue if non-violence was so futile. It's because we chose to cooperate and coexist that human civilization exists at all. Can anyone tell me what it is that holds human civilization together and resists anarchy?

I don`t believe anyone here said non-violence was "futile".

There indeed situations where it is however and ignoring (as stated by the OP)these situations is dangerous and counterproductive.

 

[Reverend Rick]

Violence is not always the solution to a problem, it should be an option however. I think of these hostage situations we see from time to time. It is best to negotiate, but some times the appropriate solution is sniper fire especially if there are many people in danger.

 

[tomato1236]

Seriously , let me explain. I have made a couple of threads on here discussing killing and violence and its place in society.

I believe there is simply too much tolerance towards violence of any nature, be it self defense, murder, protecting a loved one, or protecting a country.

Would you my brothers and sisters join me in trying to put an end to violence period, in all forms.

It will be a harder journey then race equality and also gender equality, it will require lots of education and rethinking what we commonly accept as "normal".

I have already gotten a taste of it on this forum lightly discussing the topic.

No way. Video games would suck.

 

[Just_me_Mike]

Violence is not always the solution to a problem, it should be an option however. I think of these hostage situations we see from time to time. It is best to negotiate, but some times the appropriate solution is sniper fire especially if there are many people in danger.

Of course Rick, it follows that if you build a society on violence, violence will be needed much of the time. I have no problem with that.
What I am saying is when things change, situations that require sniper fire will be greatly reduced. As it stands, that will never be the case, because most people as demonstrated on this thread believe violence is necessary. I think that is the only point I am trying to make.

 

[Tashi]

Seriously , let me explain. I have made a couple of threads on here discussing killing and violence and its place in society.

I believe there is simply too much tolerance towards violence of any nature, be it self defense, murder, protecting a loved one, or protecting a country.

Would you my brothers and sisters join me in trying to put an end to violence period, in all forms.

It will be a harder journey then race equality and also gender equality, it will require lots of education and rethinking what we commonly accept as "normal".

I have already gotten a taste of it on this forum lightly discussing the topic.

Im in!

I think its quite disturbing to see some on this forum not want to give up, or try to give up, violence because of their attachment to boxing, MMA, and other sports that condone violence. It feels as if some are saying that violence should stay in the world because they enjoy a violent sport, selfish.

But, I will never expect the world to be non-violent. It all starts on an individual level.

 

[Midnight Pete]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]If there is to be peace in the world,
There must be peace in the nations.

If there is to be peace in the nations,
There must be peace in the cities.

If there is to be peace in the cities,
There must be peace between neighbors.

If there is to be peace between neighbors,
There must be peace in the home.

If there is to be peace in the home,
There must be peace in the heart.

-- Lao Tzu (570-490 B.C.) [/FONT]

 

[Just_me_Mike]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]If there is to be peace in the world,
There must be peace in the nations.

If there is to be peace in the nations,
There must be peace in the cities.

If there is to be peace in the cities,
There must be peace between neighbors.

If there is to be peace between neighbors,
There must be peace in the home.

If there is to be peace in the home,
There must be peace in the heart.

-- Lao Tzu (570-490 B.C.) [/FONT]

This is a great example of how I am not alone. An expert on war agrees with me. Frubals for you Pete.

 

[Nerthus]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]If there is to be peace in the world,
There must be peace in the nations.

If there is to be peace in the nations,
There must be peace in the cities.

If there is to be peace in the cities,
There must be peace between neighbors.

If there is to be peace between neighbors,
There must be peace in the home.

If there is to be peace in the home,
There must be peace in the heart.

-- Lao Tzu (570-490 B.C.) [/FONT]

I like this. It's very true, people should take note!

 

[Midnight Pete]

This is a great example of how I am not alone. An expert on war agrees with me. Frubals for you Pete.

Thank you, but I am not an expert on war. Lao Tzu probably was.

 

[Just_me_Mike]

Embarrassingly I am confusing Sun Tzu with Lao Tzu. My mistake, still a cool quote

 

[linwood]

So Mike.

You still haven`t answered my question..

Then you can perhaps give me a single example of how you would stop a drug crazed assailant from continuing to batter an innocent victim that does not require violence?

You probably missed it.
I`m sure ya see it now.

Thanks!

 

[Just_me_Mike]

So Mike.

You still haven`t answered my question..



You probably missed it.
I`m sure ya see it now.

Thanks!

A rear naked choke lock takes less than 5 seconds to make someone pass out, drugged or not. I know this from experience and my background. There is no pain involved at all.

You might say, but what if you can't get the choke on the person. I would then suggest that unless that person is trained to counter Brazilian JiuJitsu, there is no way in hell he could avoid getting choked unconscious.

If you are interested, please watch this video all the way though I grabbed real quickly for example...

Oh and BTW thanks for asking... This is only one of many ways to handle someone without pain.

[youtube]feHKjX5PaCo[/youtube]

 

[MaybeSpartacus]

A rear naked choke lock takes less than 5 seconds to make someone pass out, drugged or not. I know this from experience and my background. There is no pain involved at all.

That, to me, falls under the purview of violence, as it does most every pacifist I've met with a chip on their shoulder.

 

[Just_me_Mike]

That, to me, falls under the purview of violence, as it does most every pacifist I've met with a chip on their shoulder.

Than you definition of violence and mine is different. So be it...

 

[McBell]

Than you definition of violence and mine is different. So be it...

Define violence.

 

[Just_me_Mike]

Define violence.

See post 7