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How are these Great Beings explained?

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
That was the point I just raised in another post. That there is not one Buddha or Manifestation but many, indicating that Buddha supported the concept of a Messenger or Teacher appearing from time to time just like Krishna did as you will also find in other Holy Books such as the Bible and Quran.

That's Two Teachers that support progressive Revelation. The others have scriptures stating exactly the same.

They all speak of Teachers and Messengers appearing regularly to guide people.


Krishna is not a messenger. Maitreya is not a buddha. He is a bodhisattva...to be cont...
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
No avatar of hinduism can be a abrahamic prophet (not manifestation). Kridhna has nothing to do with moses.

Moses was not prophecied by god. He had a regular geneology just as christ (first book and page of john). He did not have the same role as christ. Christ is not at all the same belief as hindu belief of krishna.

You have five human beings and a incarnation as manifestations.

Start with scripture since I know that better.

Where in scripture does god of abraham give bahaullah any authority as he does the prophets in the bible?

No outside resources. Just scripture. It must be specific.

Oh I wish a JW (@Deeje) was here. JW know more scripture than me. But I dont know if they can tie it to bahaullah since the age, location, and beliefs are different.

But you disregard the TLC as mere expressions. So how can you give these religions their truth if you disregard what makes them different than each other?

Very well Abraham.

This is specific.

Genesis 22:18

And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.

Here's a genealogy chart showing that Baha'u'llah is descended (of the seed if Abraham) from two of Abrahams wives Katurah and Sarah as well as Zoroaster and the Kings of Persia.

Genealogy of The Báb and Bahá'u'lláh
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Very well Abraham.

This is specific.

Genesis 22:18

And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.

Here's a genealogy chart showing that Baha'u'llah is descended (of the seed if Abraham) from two of Abrahams wives Katurah and Sarah as well as Zoroaster and the Kings of Persia.

Genealogy of The Báb and Bahá'u'lláh

Start from the bible not from The Bab and Bahaullah.

That verse is just saying that Abraham will be blessed because he obeyed the creator. All nations does not single out Bahaullah. As I said, he is human just as the rest of us. Blessed by god, as you say. However, where in Moses and Christ genealogy that leads to Bahaullah?

From scripture.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Moses is from Egypt
Christ is from Bethlehem
Muhammad is from Saudi
The Buddha is from Nepal
Abraham is from Iraq (formally Ur)
Krishna is an incarnation of Vishnu. He is not a prophet nor has a date of birth, origin, etc. He is a god in his own right.
Maitreya is a bodhisattva not a buddha

Any person can be an educator and teacher.
Any person can be blessed by god
Any person can contribute to world peace

The god of abraham is different than the god of Hinduism.
The foundation of all religions above is the creator except for Buddhism that has no creator.

These are very important foundations that are needed to claim any of them are progressive teachers from one to another. It doesn't make sense that Abraham, Moses, and Christ would know anything about Krishna. Also, none of them believed in any other god but the creator-not Vishnu nor incarnations of Vishnu.

That's Two Teachers that support progressive Revelation. The others have scriptures stating exactly the same.

Revelations have to coincide with each other if you are bring one-truth and world peace. They have to be accurate by history, facts, and their mythology and stories. In these revelations god has to have something to do with it. It cannot be the god of abraham because you have Hinduism in there. It can't be the god of Hinduism because he has many incarnations and gods that the god of abraham does not recognize. You have Buddhism that acknowledges gods but do not consider the native gods of The Buddha's main land a creator. Mara, a creator that I gave you sutta for, was actually challenged by The Buddha because Mara was trying to get The Buddha to worship him. Buddha wasn't havin it.

They all speak of Teachers and Messengers appearing regularly to guide people.

They guide people, yes.

Judaism is it's own religion as Christianity, Buddhism, Islam, and Hinduism.

They have their own truths because their traditions, language, and culture separates them from each other. Hinduis don't have a "We have the truth" point of view as Christianity and Islam has.

If the same god was a foundation of all of these religions then each religion would expressions that mirror the same characteristics and personality of this god. Like artist creating different ways they view a vase. Yet, in this case, there is no vase. Yet, Bahai (and other god-religions) say there is.

The prophecies have to be specific. We know that Bahaullah wanted world peace and we know what he says about other religions. What we don't know is the facts of the religions themselves not from a Bahai (and converted bahai) perspective but that of the faith, scriptures, and practitioners who are currently believing in these scriptures you have in your faith.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
In the Bhagavad-Gita progressive Revelation linking all the Manifestations is already mentioned.

"Whenever and wherever there is a decline in religious practice, O descendant of Bharata, and a predominant rise of irreligion--at that time I descend Myself."

"In order to deliver the pious and to annihilate the miscreants, as well as to re-establish the principles of religion, I advent Myself millennium after millennium." [BG 4.7-8]

Krishna does not say He returns once but many times, millennium after millennium thus fully supporting the concept that Manifestations are sent from time to time.

This 'advent of Krishna' 'millennium after millennium' prophecies Buddha, Moses, Zoroaster, Christ, Muhammad, the Bab and Baha'u'llah.

That is a major link. You can find similar statements in the Bible and Quran as well as Buddhist Scritures that there are many Buddhas etc.

There is nothing more clear in all the religions than that Messengers are sent in each age.

Note that Krishna does not say that every time He manifest Hinself He is known as Krishna. Actually the Ten Avatars are all known by a different name so it is expected that the different names such as Moses and Buddha are all known by different names yet they are all One and the same Person.

You're telling me he is prophesied but you are not telling me from Hindu perspective and scripture not your own how he prophesied Bahaullah as one of the manifestations.
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
You're telling me he is prophesied but you are not telling me from Hindu perspective and scripture not your own how he prophesied Bahaullah as one of the manifestations.

I showed you the Hindu prophecies of Krishna returning from millennium to millennium. That was pure Hindu scripture not Bahá'í.

Krishna says He returns from age to age. Baha'u'llah is one of His returns.
 

CG Didymus

Veteran Member
The verse where Krishna says He returns 'millennium after millennium' is both a prophecy about future Manifestations as well as a confirmation f the Vincent of progressive Revelation.

Here is another version of the timeline from Hindu scripture.

Bhartiya Baha'i: HINDUISM AND THE BAHÁ’I FAITH
I have never seen such a jumbled bunch of numbers. And after all they go through they came up with 1817? The year that the person who took the title Baha'u'llah was born? So where are the numbers that add up to Jesus and the others? It's way too easy to just generalize and say that Krishna and Buddha would come back several times.

But since we are talking about their spirits, and not the same person, then I think you just showed me that manifestation reincarnate. So why not ordinary people? Why don't their spirits return to Earth again in a different body?

Another thing, we've the "true" teachings of all these manifestations, but we have a perfect prophecy that tells when they will come back?
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
You're telling me he is prophesied but you are not telling me from Hindu perspective and scripture not your own how he prophesied Bahaullah as one of the manifestations.

Also He said He would return as Kalki and I already have all the descriptions in my Kalki post which went into the descriptions of what Kalki would do I.e destroy evil kings and reestablish righteousness etc all the information is in that post.
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
I have never seen such a jumbled bunch of numbers. And after all they go through they came up with 1817? The year that the person who took the title Baha'u'llah was born? So where are the numbers that add up to Jesus and the others? It's way too easy to just generalize and say that Krishna and Buddha would come back several times.

But since we are talking about their spirits, and not the same person, then I think you just showed me that manifestation reincarnate. So why not ordinary people? Why don't their spirits return to Earth again in a different body?

Another thing, we've the "true" teachings of all these manifestations, but we have a perfect prophecy that tells when they will come back?

Yes the numbers can be quite overwhelming but that's a part of the ancient scriptures. However just seeing the spiritual qualities of a Manifestation is enough for most.

We are told that the Prophets pre existed but that we were born at conception.

My personal view is yes but it requires each person investigate it with an unbiased mind independently.
 
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CG Didymus

Veteran Member
That was the point I just raised in another post. That there is not one Buddha or Manifestation but many, indicating that Buddha supported the concept of a Messenger or Teacher appearing from time to time just like Krishna did as you will also find in other Holy Books such as the Bible and Quran.

That's Two Teachers that support progressive Revelation. The others have scriptures stating exactly the same.

They all speak of Teachers and Messengers appearing regularly to guide people.
Whatever the order, I don't care anymore. Krishna or Buddha, maybe both said, that when the spiritual teachings are lost or not being practiced anymore, they'd came back and set things right again.

So Krishna set things right? Were they broken in India? The same spirit came as Moses and Buddha, you tell me in which order, and that spirit taught the Hebrews one thing and taught the people of India something else? So time passes, I assume all religions were waning. So the same spirit comes back as Zoroaster and teaches the Persians the Truth. But he left the people in Israel and India with nothing? Then who's next Jesus? So finally, the Jews get a new manifestation. Who'd India get? Then Muhammad to the Arabs. Was this their first one? But Muhammad counts for everybody? Oh, yeah, Muhammad did influence all the other religions around him.

Hmmm? He said the Christians and the Jews were the people of the Book. What did he have to say about the other religions like Hinduism? To be consistent with the Baha'i perspective, he'd have to say that their religion is the truth too, right?
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
I showed you the Hindu prophecies of Krishna returning from millennium to millennium. That was pure Hindu scripture not Bahá'í.

Krishna says He returns from age to age. Baha'u'llah is one of His returns.

Where does it specifically say that Bahaullah is one of Krishna's returns?

I mean, I could be one of Krishna's returns. You are telling me there is a connection. You aren't showing the actual details of it just "Krisna was prophesied so Bahaullah appeared."

There has to be a chain of events from the religions perspective not Bahaullah and The Bab. No interpretations from Bahai.

Just straight connection. Start with scripture.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Also He said He would return as Kalki and I already have all the descriptions in my Kalki post which went into the descriptions of what Kalki would do I.e destroy evil kings and reestablish righteousness etc all the information is in that post.

You were talking to someone else about Kalki.

I just asked a few questions.

1. If my truth is yours, what is my truth?

2. Give me a chain of specific events that each prophecy connects to another without disregarding the gaps, locations, birthdays (the history), and the traditions, culture, and language of these events that shape their prophecy and beliefs.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
I showed you the Hindu prophecies of Krishna returning from millennium to millennium. That was pure Hindu scripture not Bahá'í.

It is Hinduism interpreted by Bahai. (If I wanted to understand Hindu scriptures, I'd go to a Hindu or Hindu priest not Bahai or ex-Hindu)

Also, Krishna isn't the lead person of Hinduism.

Also, Hinduism aren't "people of the book" so you'd have to consult a Hindu not their multiple books.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
@loverofhumanity

I can only speak about scripture. I said, "If Bahaullah is in scriptures, he'd have to be explicitly stated since the context of him being there only assumes he was just like all other gentiles and not a prophet that jesus recognized nor an apostle."

He is not a jew. Christ said there were no jew or gentile and man and woman, so everyone who believes in christ are children of christ. All christian denominations have the sacraments of christ. To be saved, you must go through the sacraments.

Did Bahaullah get baptized, repent, confess jesus and jesus only as his lord and savior, and take communion with people who believed only in jesus and no one else?

The creator of course can speak through anyone. However, you have to understand that event though all of you (but Buddhist) say there is only one creator, and all of you (except Hindu) say there is only one god, you'd have to very hard to associate any of these religions with the same god as well as finding suttas that show a creator that a Buddhist himself would miss.

Scriptures alone doesn't speak of Bahaullah. They only speak of the prophets of the OT and those prophets, according to christianity, speaks of the coming of christ. Not bahaullah.

You keep saying Buddhism says a Buddha will return. Maitreya is a bodhisattva not a Buddha. Also, many buddhas (lower b) will return to protect the Dharma. Specific people who will be Buddhas will come once they are enlightened. However, right now they are bodhisattvas and disciples of The Buddha. Incarnations of The Buddha, like Krishna, do not speak for Buddhism (and Hinduism) as a whole. Buddhism is about The Dharma.

It is not a prophet faith.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
Moses was not prophecied by god. He had a regular geneology just as christ (first book and page of john). He did not have the same role as christ. Christ is not at all the same belief as hindu belief of krishna.

Actually Moses prefigured the prophet 'like him' that was to come.

Among the things Moses wrote concerning Christ Jesus are Jehovah’s words: A prophet I shall raise up for them from the midst of their brothers, like you; and I shall indeed put my words in his mouth, and he will certainly speak to them all that I shall command him.” (Deuteronomy 18:18, 19)

The apostle Peter in quoting this prophecy left no doubt that it referred to Jesus Christ. (Acts 3:19-23)

Moses and Jesus Christ have many similarities. In infancy both escaped the wholesale slaughter ordered by the respective rulers of their time. (Exodus 1:22; 2:1-10; Matthew 2:13-18)
Moses was called out of Egypt with Jehovah’s “firstborn,” the nation of Israel, Moses being the nation’s leader. Jesus was called out of Egypt as God’s firstborn Son. (Exodus 4:22, 23; Hosea 11:1; Matthew 2:15, 19-21)
Both fasted for 40 days in wilderness places. (Exodus 34:28; Matthew 4:1, 2)
Both came in the name of Jehovah, Jesus’ name itself meaning “Jehovah Is Salvation.” (Exodus 3:13-16; Matthew 1:21; John 5:43)
Jesus, like Moses, ‘declared the name of Jehovah.’ (De 32:3; John 17:6, 26) Both were exceptional in meekness and humility. (Numbers 12:3; Matthew 11:28-30) Both had the most convincing credentials to show that they were sent by God—astounding miracles of many sorts, Jesus Christ going farther than Moses by raising the dead to life. (Exodus 14:21-31; Psalm 78:12-54; Matthew 11:5; Mr 5:38-43; Luke 7:11-15, 18-23.
Moses was mediator of the Law covenant between God and the nation of Israel. Jesus was Mediator of the new covenant between God and the “holy nation,” the spiritual “Israel of God.” (1Peter 2:9; Galatians 6:16; Exodus 19:3-9; Luke 22:20; Hebrews 8:6; 9:15)


Where in scripture does god of abraham give bahaullah any authority as he does the prophets in the bible?

No outside resources. Just scripture. It must be specific.

Since Baha'i teaching implies that Bahaullah is actually Jesus at his second coming, it is interesting to note the many dissimilarities between them. If the second coming has already happened, then where is the evidence?

Revelation 1:7:
"Look! He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, and those who pierced him; and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief because of him."

Revelation 21:1-5:
"And I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the former heaven and the former earth had passed away, and the sea is no more. 2 I also saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: “Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his people. And God himself will be with them. 4 And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.”
5 And the One seated on the throne said: “Look! I am making all things new.” Also he says: “Write, for these words are faithful and true."


If Bahaullah is who he claims to be, then why did every eye not see him. How come not many people even know about him?
Why did he die, since Jesus was granted immortal life in heaven upon his return?
Why is there still mourning and outcry, pain and death. The "former things" are all still here.

Oh I wish a JW (@Deeje) was here. JW know more scripture than me. But I dont know if they can tie it to bahaullah since the age, location, and beliefs are different.

The Samaritan woman at the well said to Jesus......
“Sir, I perceive you are a prophet. 20 Our forefathers worshiped in this mountain; but you people say that in Jerusalem is the place where persons ought to worship.” 21 Jesus said to her: “Believe me, woman, The hour is coming when neither in this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you people worship the Father. 22 You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, because salvation originates with the Jews. 23 Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshipers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for, indeed, the Father is looking for suchlike ones to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit, and those worshiping him must worship with spirit and truth.” 25 The woman said to him: “I know that Mes·siʹah is coming, who is called Christ. Whenever that one arrives, he will declare all things to us openly.” 26 Jesus said to her: “I who am speaking to you am he.”

Jesus said that salvation originated with the Jews....not Islam. Although "Abrahamic" in origin, like the Samaritans, Muslims are descended from Ishmael, not Isaac. Jesus was sent to Abraham's descendants through Isaac and Jacob....not through Ishmael.
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
Whatever the order, I don't care anymore. Krishna or Buddha, maybe both said, that when the spiritual teachings are lost or not being practiced anymore, they'd came back and set things right again.

So Krishna set things right? Were they broken in India? The same spirit came as Moses and Buddha, you tell me in which order, and that spirit taught the Hebrews one thing and taught the people of India something else? So time passes, I assume all religions were waning. So the same spirit comes back as Zoroaster and teaches the Persians the Truth. But he left the people in Israel and India with nothing? Then who's next Jesus? So finally, the Jews get a new manifestation. Who'd India get? Then Muhammad to the Arabs. Was this their first one? But Muhammad counts for everybody? Oh, yeah, Muhammad did influence all the other religions around him.

Hmmm? He said the Christians and the Jews were the people of the Book. What did he have to say about the other religions like Hinduism? To be consistent with the Baha'i perspective, he'd have to say that their religion is the truth too, right?

This quote is from The Quran regarding tomaccept every Prophet major or minor.

Quran 2:136

Say (O Muslims): We believe in Allah and that which is revealed unto us and that which was revealed unto Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the tribes, and that which Moses and Jesus received, and that which the prophets received from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and unto Him we have surrendered

Buddhism

“And Ānanda, suppressing his tears, said to the Blessed One: "Who shall teach us when thou art gone?"12

And the Blessed One replied: "I am not the first Buddha who came upon earth, nor shall I be the last. In due time another Buddha will arise in the world, a Holy One, a supremely enlightened One, endowed with wisdom in conduct, auspicious, knowing the universe, an incomparable leader of men, a master of angels and mortals. He will reveal to you the same eternal truths which I have taught you. He will preach his religion, glorious in its origin, glorious at the climax, and glorious at the goal, in the spirit and in the letter. He will proclaim a religious life, wholly perfect and pure; such as I now proclaim."

(DN 25-26)

But what is the most important thing is for all of us to accept each other as belonging to one human race without prejudice and accept there's truth in all our religions.
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
@loverofhumanity

I can only speak about scripture. I said, "If Bahaullah is in scriptures, he'd have to be explicitly stated since the context of him being there only assumes he was just like all other gentiles and not a prophet that jesus recognized nor an apostle."

He is not a jew. Christ said there were no jew or gentile and man and woman, so everyone who believes in christ are children of christ. All christian denominations have the sacraments of christ. To be saved, you must go through the sacraments.

Did Bahaullah get baptized, repent, confess jesus and jesus only as his lord and savior, and take communion with people who believed only in jesus and no one else?

The creator of course can speak through anyone. However, you have to understand that event though all of you (but Buddhist) say there is only one creator, and all of you (except Hindu) say there is only one god, you'd have to very hard to associate any of these religions with the same god as well as finding suttas that show a creator that a Buddhist himself would miss.

Scriptures alone doesn't speak of Bahaullah. They only speak of the prophets of the OT and those prophets, according to christianity, speaks of the coming of christ. Not bahaullah.

You keep saying Buddhism says a Buddha will return. Maitreya is a bodhisattva not a Buddha. Also, many buddhas (lower b) will return to protect the Dharma. Specific people who will be Buddhas will come once they are enlightened. However, right now they are bodhisattvas and disciples of The Buddha. Incarnations of The Buddha, like Krishna, do not speak for Buddhism (and Hinduism) as a whole. Buddhism is about The Dharma.

It is not a prophet faith.

He is explicitly stated by name in Buddhist and Biblical and even Zoroastrian texts.

All these terms we have such as Buddha, Krishna, Baha'u'llah were titles not their actual, names.

The link between these Teachers is spiritual. Their names are usually just titles. Once again you're getting stuck in the Kingdom of Names.

Each Manifestation was one and the same Peeson as the other Manifestations. Each could rightfully say 'I am all the Prophets. I am Buddha, Muhammad, Christ, Moses and Krishna' as they all proclaim truth.

Buddha spoke of a future Buddha like Himself. And in the Purr Land Sect of Buddhism even Baha name is mentioned as Amitabha. You can't get any more close to the name of Baha'u'llah than Abha. He is known as the Abha Beauty. Also in the Bible look where the 'Glory of God' is mentioned. Namely in the prophecies. Baha'u'llah's name means in English A'Glory of God. How many churches are dedicated to the Glory of God?

There is an awakening and it is happening slowly as people investigate independently. It took me about 3 years of scrutiny.

“And Ānanda, suppressing his tears, said to the Blessed One: "Who shall teach us when thou art gone?"12

And the Blessed One replied: "I am not the first Buddha who came upon earth, nor shall I be the last. In due time another Buddha will arise in the world, a Holy One, a supremely enlightened One, endowed with wisdom in conduct, auspicious, knowing the universe, an incomparable leader of men, a master of angels and mortals. He will reveal to you the same eternal truths which I have taught you. He will preach his religion, glorious in its origin, glorious at the climax, and glorious at the goal, in the spirit and in the letter. He will proclaim a religious life, wholly perfect and pure; such as I now proclaim."13”

Carus, Paul. “The Gospel of Buddha, Compiled from Ancient Records.”
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
I'm still on names because you quote specific scriptures. Names mean a lot in culture (if you take that into consideration) so they cannot be discarded.
The link between these Teachers is spiritual. Their names are usually just titles. Once again you're getting stuck in the Kingdom of Names.

For example, Abraham used to be Abram. If a name was just a name, why the need to change it. God gave many people names. However, because their names were different, so where their roles. On that note...

Each Manifestation was one and the same Person as the other Manifestations. Each could rightfully say 'I am all the Prophets. I am Buddha, Muhammad, Christ, Moses and Krishna' as they all proclaim truth.

That's like saying (or is that saying?) abraham is moses and moses is jesus?

If it were just a Bahai belief, then sure that's your belief. You are saying what other's believe and then one post said not to listen to believers (given conflicting beliefs) because bahaullah's views are straight from god.

But in this case, you are dictating the beliefs of other people from a Bahai perspective. That is wrong.

From those religion's perspective, most likely all of them, they will all (and their scriptures) will tell you Jesus is not Moses and Moses is not Krishna.

Names are important. They aren't just titles just as TLC aren't just expressions. I mean, can you hear christians now if you called Christ Jennet and said he was a she regardless if he did the same thing and taught the same message?

And the Blessed One replied: "I am not the first Buddha who came upon earth, nor shall I be the last. In due time another Buddha will arise in the world, a Holy One, a supremely enlightened One, endowed with wisdom in conduct, auspicious, knowing the universe, an incomparable leader of men, a master of angels and mortals. He will reveal to you the same eternal truths which I have taught you. He will preach his religion, glorious in its origin, glorious at the climax, and glorious at the goal, in the spirit and in the letter. He will proclaim a religious life, wholly perfect and pure; such as I now proclaim."13”

I mean the Lotus Sutra alone talks about many prophecies. One of which:

At that time the world-honored one, having finished reciting these verses, made an announcement to the great assembly, speaking in these words:

“This disciple of mine, Mahakashyapa, in future existences will be able to enter the presence of three hundred ten thousand million buddhas, world-honored ones, to offer alms, pay reverence, honor and praise them, widely proclaiming the innumerable great doctrines of the buddhas. And in his final incarnation he will be able to become a buddha named Light Bright Thus Come One, worthy of offerings, of right and universal knowledge, perfect clarity and conduct, well gone, understanding the world, unexcelled worthy, trainer of people, teacher of heavenly and human beings, buddha, world-honored one. His land will be called Light Virtue and his kalpa will be called Great Adornment. The life span of this buddha will be twelve small kalpas. His Correct Law will endure in the world for twenty small kalpas, and his Counterfeit Law for twenty small kalpas."
Saddharma Puṇḍarīka Sūtra (You can read more here)

Also, The Buddha never dies. He said he existed before his birth and after his death, he would still exist as many incarnations (or buddhas if you like) after him.

In each cause, he tells each person they will become buddhas. Maitreya is a bodhisattva. The sutra you quoted didn't list a name. In the one I listed it says Mahakashyapa will become a buddha and so on.

The Buddha can't come as another Buddha when he says he finally understood the nature of life and has actually died so he is not in the cycle of rebirth anymore. There is no need for another Buddha (big B) to return.

Buddhism isn't a prophet faith. It's focus strictly on the Dharma and practice as such as Hinduism.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
@loverofhumanity

I mean it's fine to want one-truth and put every religion into one.

Though, by doing so, you are cutting out a lot of people's cultures that define them. In that respect, it will backfire. Diversity is very important. Not just expressions but also in their reflection of truth-s too.

EDIT

The Lotus Sutra has a chapter on Prophecy of Enlightenment and talks about different to-be buddhas to protect the Dharma.

Like Krishna, you're singling out one person out of many as if they represent a main prophecy held by that faith. It's a huge generalization.
 
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Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
The link between these Teachers is spiritual. Their names are usually just titles. Once again you're getting stuck in the Kingdom of Names.

The names are not just titles.

Spirituality is one's:

1.Tradition (their practice passed down by generation)
2. Language (say Muslim and Jews speak scripture in their languages)
3. Culture (such as the naming and practices in worship)

These are spiritual things. These expressions are the religion's truth. Not a reflection. Not symbolic. They are the religion's truth. They cannot be separated.

You're stuck with talking about spirituality as if it's divorced from the TLC that defines it. Until you take interest in the TLC, of course you'll think everything connects.
 
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