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How are these Great Beings explained?

TransmutingSoul

One Planet, One People, Please!
Premium Member
It does matter. The reason religious people help is because of their religion. Why be bahai if you can have virtues of any religion? Isnt being bahai contradicting the fact bahaullah is telling you there are no differences between us?

What do you define as a label to others that bahai dont place on themselves?

Virtues make us who we are. All Faiths call upon us to live all Virtues. Those without God see that Virtues make a liveable progressive world.

Baha'u'llah says Reconcile your Differences, not there are no differences.

"......It is incumbent upon all the peoples of the world to reconcile their differences, and, with perfect unity and peace, abide beneath the shadow of the Tree of His care and loving-kindness......"

Regards Tony
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member

Virtues make us who we are. All Faiths call upon us to live all Virtues. Those without God see that Virtues make a liveable progressive world.

Baha'u'llah says Reconcile your Differences, not there are no differences.

"......It is incumbent upon all the peoples of the world to reconcile their differences, and, with perfect unity and peace, abide beneath the shadow of the Tree of His care and loving-kindness......"

Regards Tony

Why do you need to be Bahai to know this?
If labels arent important, why label oneself bahai?

I would say labels are important. The Bab and Abram were given or have important names that reflect their new character as Bahaullah or Abraham. Names like The Buddha (The enlightened/the blessed One) are important names or labels.

Virtues come from devoted people but the foundations of these virtues are diverse. Since they are diverse foundations, and virtues come from one's foundations, it makes sense that their virtues be diverse.

I can see why the virtues from bahaullah would lead you to god. I dont see bahaullah virtues leading one to krishna, though. Unless he was hindu, I dont see how thats possible.

 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Letting everyone know who you are certainly matters to some people, else they wouldn't throw the label in front of the word 'charity'. It's often used as a form of advertising, sadly.

I knew a friend named Charity. She helped youth with drug addictions and homeless youth. She gave scholarships and wanted to give one to me but I turned it down. She has AIDS and this was how she gave back to the community of African Americans who need help from their peers. Her name was an idol for many and they put her story in local newspapers. I remember her story and she rented an old office to set up everything she needed. I don't know where she is now but she is traveling. She texted me couple of years ago but didn't keep in touch.

My Buddhist initiation name, for lack of better words, Phò thiện hạnh (Kind Virtue), is important even though it's common. We say our given names rather than our birth name everytime we go to the temple. I wouldn't doubt it's extremely important for those who receive their initiation name when they have better relations with the head master.

In Deaf culture, instead of finger-spelling their names, they have name signs that relate to their character within the community. In Christianity, Judaism, and Islam, names are extremely important.

Even gender. I asked one time what if Christ was female, and they almost had a hissy fit.

To each his own, I guess.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
My Buddhist initiation name, for lack of better words, Phò thiện hạnh (Kind Virtue), is important even though it's common. We say our given names rather than our birth name everytime we go to the temple. I wouldn't doubt it's extremely important for those who receive their initiation name when they have better relations with the head master.

To each his own, I guess.

In my sampradaya, we changed our names completely when we adopted or converted to Hinduism. Passport, driver's license, a total legal change of name. We go all in, so to speak.
 

TransmutingSoul

One Planet, One People, Please!
Premium Member
it makes sense that their virtues be diverse.

It makes perfect sense that there is levels within each virtue that can be practiced. Also that virtues can be used in a large range of understandings.

Example is that between Love and Hate there are many levels. Using hate in some circumstances can be Love. The war against Drugs is an example of this.

Regards Tony
 

TransmutingSoul

One Planet, One People, Please!
Premium Member
I would disagree, because virtues aren't universal. Some are, some aren't. For example, some religions consider faith in God to be a virtue.

Then if they do not practice that Virtue in that one particular way, we have our first glimpse of Diversity. They would have Faith, but for this example lets say Faith in Science to lead the way.

Faith is a virtue and we all use it in some way.

Regards Tony
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
In my sampradaya, we changed our names completely when we adopted or converted to Hinduism. Passport, driver's license, a total legal change of name. We go all in, so to speak.

Wow. Gosh. I wish I knew Vietnamese to know more about the Zen tradition. I was talking to our master on the phone and he said that my name can also mean piety. Reminded me of what I'm going through at the moment. We have tibetan monasteries here. They have a lot if only there were no language barriers. How would you go about that?

Also, I think Buddhism is kinda like Hinduism in the respect that they don't come together like you see at christian churches. We have small chanting ceremonies. Like the puja one I went to at your temple. Only five or so there. Unless I go up to the Shenandoah Zen monastery, though different sect, there really aren't teachers here in the state I'm at so far the centers and monasteries are concerned.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
Then if they do not practice that Virtue in that one particular way, we have our first glimpse of Diversity. They would have Faith, but for this example lets say Faith in Science to lead the way.

Faith is a virtue and we all use it in some way.

Agnostics? By definition they have no faith.

Another example is ahimsa. My version translates to the action of vegetarianism. Most peoples doesn't.

My point is you don't need common virtues to have common humanity. Most likely about 80% + and especially the key ones will be common. But not the faith based ones, and some cultural ones. It's not a black and white thing, but it's vague, best left defined by individuals themselves, not by sweeping generalisations that don't work.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
Wow. Gosh. I wish I knew Vietnamese to know more about the Zen tradition. I was talking to our master on the phone and he said that my name can also mean piety. Reminded me of what I'm going through at the moment. We have tibetan monasteries here. They have a lot if only there were no language barriers. How would you go about that?

Also, I think Buddhism is kinda like Hinduism in the respect that they don't come together like you see at christian churches. We have small chanting ceremonies. Like the puja one I went to at your temple. Only five or so there. Unless I go up to the Shenandoah Zen monastery, though different sect, there really aren't teachers here in the state I'm at so far the centers and monasteries are concerned.

The Buddhist retreat place I went to has this massive meditation hall. It looked like it would hold at least 500 sitting people, (concrete, but some cushions available for those who wanted it) perhaps more. I'd like to go when there;s a crowd, like when the hosted a huge jade Buddha, or did their grand openings. It would be cool to join a thousand people in silent meditation.
 
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Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
It makes perfect sense that there is levels within each virtue that can be practiced. Also that virtues can be used in a large range of understandings.

Example is that between Love and Hate there are many levels. Using hate in some circumstances can be Love. The war against Drugs is an example of this.

Regards Tony

I wouldn't see it that way. Kind of like justifying capital punishment because by saying (in general) "they killed someone so we have the right to kill them." Revenge turns into the virtue of justice? type of thing.

Anyway, I was serious about those questions. If I were Bahai, I'll say instead, I'd find myself in a walking contradiction. If I-I truly feel that everyone has the same virtues but different expression, it wouldn't matter what religion or moral system I'd take up. I experienced what people call god. I know jesus christ spirit exists. I know that people aren't making up their experiences with Allah or Brahman. So, I can acknowledge these things and believe in god without being in any religion.

In Buddhism, it's somewhat similar because Mahayana Buddhist believe everyone has a Buddha-nature. Everyone has an inner potential to be buddhas ourselves. From our true nature, we have similar virtues as Bahai and every other religion, of course that has compassion. But I'm not Buddhist because of virtues. I experience that by teaching. This specific religion is in the process of changing my life.

It goes deeper than that. Have you explored more of where the virtues come from? More reflection between you and god?
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
The Buddhist retreat place I went to has this massive meditation hall. It looked like it would hold at least 500 sitting people, (concrete, but some cushions available for those who wanted it) perhaps more. I'd like to go when there;s a crowd, like when the hosted a huge jade Buddha, or did their grand openings. It would be cook to join a thousand people in silent meditation.

That sounds nice. That reminds me of the thanksgiving retreat coming up. We have carpool so I'm hoping someone can help give me a ride. I don't know why I forgot that one. It's way up in West Virginia, about two hours or so by from me surprisingly.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
ion.

In Buddhism, it's somewhat similar because Mahayana Buddhist believe everyone has a Buddha-nature. Everyone has an inner potential to be buddhas ourselves. From our true nature, we have similar virtues as Bahai and every other religion, of course that has compassion. But I'm not Buddhist because of virtues. I experience that by teaching. This specific religion is in the process of changing my life.

It goes deeper than that. Have you explored more of where the virtues come from? More reflection between you and god?

Carlita, I'm not sure, but it sounds like the place here I talk about is of your sect. I don't know enough about Buddhism.

Truc Lam Monastery - Tu Viện Trúc Lâm - Viện Phật Học Edmonton
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
It looks like it. I don't see the lineage though. I read that Vietnamese Buddhism has some synchronism with neighboring religions. I was told our temple is Zen, so it could be that.
The language barrier limited us to smiles, but I see at the monastery in the city they have an English service. There is also another Vietnamese temple closer to our house, not affiliated with this one, so it must be a different group somehow. We still haven't made it there just to sit.
 
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loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
So you mean the individual this lifetime ego/identity, the person known here as loverofhumanity. Well that's a temporary thing. From a Hindu POV, when that physical body dies, it is kaput. So that 'we' isn't an emanation of Siva, but part of the dance called maya. That's not who we are, it's illusion.

That’s deep and I can’t say I understand it.

So I’m temporary - ok. I’m not an emanation of God - ok.

I’m part of a dance called maya - confused

So we are not our body that’s the illusion right? I believe we humans are soul but and the body is the chariot.
 
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